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Rachel on May 17th, 2009
Unfortunately I have to agree with most of this about the first episode, but I think the series improves greatly after that and I'm glad that I made myself give it a chance. Watching the first episode I was a bit unsure how we Joss expected to interpellate viewers to sympathise and identify with a character who is a different person atleast twice in an episode, but after wathing episode 2 I have to admit I was hooked! The motorbike chase/daning was unbeleivably cheesey though- a bit like Xander on a skateboard! Which thankfully we never saw again! I'm glad it's getting a second series, I think it has a lot of potential and honestly I love anything Joss does!
Sam B on March 3rd, 2009
I disagree. I'm halfway through the third episode of Dollhouse, and I love it. Whedon is dialling back the wit, yes, but he's concentrating on building something, something that is both dramatically satisfying and, yes, witty and punchy and all that jazz. It should be said at this point that I'm something of an atypical Whedon fan.I didn't like Firefly because of the humour, I liked it because it let the humour take a back seat to the characterisation, something that should always be lauded in a humorous drama series. Firefly was a shift in his writing, I think, a shift towards a more adult and satisfying humour that really connects the characters with whatever pithy lines they're spitting out at any one time. I recently re-watched Buffy when my brother got the entire series for Christmas, (The lucky, lucky b*****d). It hasn't aged well. The transitions between funny and maudlin are jarring, and towards the end of the series, the balance falls far too much towards "drama". Dollhouse is measured, carefully paced and intriguing. Yes, it lacks the zappy 'in-your-face' wit of your Angels and your Buffies, but it's more mature, more adult and more real. And I *like* Echo! Why not? The character being different every episode is not a sign of weak writing. It's a sign of courageous writing. Congratulations to Joss Whedon for being one of the very few writers in the world with the stones to *not* give the people what they want.
Vicky, England. on March 1st, 2009
Dollhouse is one of the best serieses around at the moment. Thus far the first three episodes have been truly amazing and the only thing I would say is it's lacking some of the Joss charm and wit.
Kent, Aberdeen on February 27th, 2009
The show had a semi-decent premise to it(Even if it got beaten to the punch by the far superior if ill fated 'My own worst enemy') but clearly Fox had the show so badly neutered during the delay/watering down period that it's now a mere shadow of what it was originally supposed to be. You need only look at how dull and witless the dialogue in the show is. Given how incredibly sharp Joss Whedon's shows are usually written, it's clear his heart isn't really in this one any longer. Guaranteed cancellation before it hits episode 10. I'd put money on it.
mark, amblecote on February 24th, 2009
I suspect that the fact that Fox ordered a second pilot (the original pilot became episode 4) and halted production for a month means the show won't survive beyond it's first series, ala Firefly. Also it doesn't help that the premise is ripped from Ghost in the Shell...pity really, but that's the reality of TV these days.
Harriet, Nottingham on February 23rd, 2009
Episode 2 is a MASSIVE improvement on the pilot with a lot more background story and interesting questions raised. I was disappointed after the first episode but now I can't wait to see more!
B, Nottingham on February 23rd, 2009
I'm reserving judgement until I've seen a few more episodes. It's a pretty far-fetched premise, but then good television often requires a suspended sense of disbelief. Buffy was hardly gritty realism. So far I have been disappointed by the lack of Whedon-esque wit and one-liners but that element will hopefully come in time. Another thing lacking which Joss Whedon normally does brilliantly is character development, and it's not really possible to do much of that in two episodes. I'm not sure it's possible to do it when your main protagonist is getting mind-wiped every episode either, but time will tell...
Seaneeboy, Leeds on February 23rd, 2009
Episode two is a HUGE improvement, within minutes the Wheadon touches and polishes are apparent and it's like he's back. Don't judge it on this alone, and DS PELASE review episode two!
gyre, Bristol, UK on February 23rd, 2009
I thought the first episode was a big mistake. They needed a real killer episode to pull folks in, and that tangle of parts wasn't it. Fox should have left Whedon to do what he wanted rather than interfere. The 2nd episode was far more enjoyable. Far far better. I don't know what they were smoking on the first episode, but this one is exactly the type of thing I wanted to see. I just hope Fox give Joss the benefit of the doubt and don't kill this off yet. It has the makings of a classic. -- gyre --
Connor, Scotland on February 23rd, 2009
I disagree i thought it was good and a good role for Eliza to take up because she takes up a new personality every episode.If people tune in on Friday Nights on FOX in US then this could have quite a future.
Alex, France on February 22nd, 2009
Yep, I quite agree with that. There are some good elements, the 'lair' of the dolls is pretty esthetic, Topher's goofyness reminds us a bit of Firefly's Wash and a much more of Buffy's Andrew. Again it seems that Fox has done everything to ensure that the show never kills off (not only telling Joss to refrubish the pilot but also locking the show in the Friday evening slot - a poison 'gift'). But I've seen episode 2 and it's a big improvement, real big. And if Fox backs off and lets Whedon spread his creative wings, this show will take flight and will, even for a short period, deliver!!
lanna, Swansea on February 22nd, 2009
after watching the first two episodes, the storyline begins to open up. i thoroughly enjoy the episodes and hope they can continue. admittedly the first episode wasn't up to many expectations, the second started to become more compelling and understanding. considering it's by joss whedon i did expect somehting better but i guess we'll haev to wait and see.
tina, lancashire on February 22nd, 2009
the pilot was pretty dull, but the 2nd episode was great. i'll keep watching definitely.
Brian, Amsterdam on February 22nd, 2009
Why are we surprised? Fox has a knack for killing off good, watchable shows, especially Whedon ones. First scene reminded me of the River Tam Tapes, a Firefly companion short, which was waaaaay fat and cool and out there and simply awesome. But having recently seen "This film is not yet rated" about the immorality of the American rating system (comes down to violence is good, even if it is mutilation of women, and sex=bad, ESPECIALLY GAY SEX), I'm not all surprised that Fox TV, is yet another proponent of this philosophy. Fox TV, it's where career-suicidal writers go. Or the really desparate ones. And yes, it was not good, that first eppy. Based on Buffy, Angel, and Firefly, I'd give it some time.
Ellie, Surrey on February 22nd, 2009
I love this show, the first two episodes have me hooked!
Karl, UK on February 22nd, 2009
Episode two was great; episode one wasn't perfect but they could hardly tell you all, and I'm glad they didn't. I don't think it will be too long before echo escapes the dollhouse.
Ollie on February 22nd, 2009
After reading what other people have written, I need to check out episode 2 but I thought the pilot was entertaining. Yes, it did not offer the delights and questions of other shows in the genre or other Joss W shows but was nice to see the group back on TV. I agree with other people, though, that this pilot was FOX's and not Joss Whedon and I feel that FOX may have already started on the wrong foot with Whedon- there have already been so many problems but I believe that it will take some episodes before the show really takes off, I just hope FOX will wait that long- we have seen what happens when FOX don't hit the ground running. I would have given it 3/4 stars...
Sean on February 22nd, 2009
I agree the first episode did lack a certain something...but I just watched Episode 2 and it was brilliant!...Edge of your seat stuff and it has opened a whole mythology surrounding ALPHA and ECHO!...I think its one of those shows that will get better and better...or at least I hope.
ethan, brighton UK on February 22nd, 2009
i actually quite enjoyed it... i found the opening scenes with motorbikes and cheesy dancing quite annoying, a bit too hollyoakes...but once the premise was established i found it quite engaging. having said that, i do think the premise was somewhat suffocated under a strangely large (for joss w) deluge of cliche; from the stupid start to the child abduction and the swarthy unshaved baddies it felt a bit like how buffy would have been had it been filmed in the 80s in miami by michael mann. but, that aside i still enjoyed it. when you watch something by joss whedon you're always secure that there will be something edifying and leftfield served up. i hope it gets a chance to develop and find its feet. especially as battlestar g is ending. i will need something to fill that void...
Aaron, Edinburgh on February 22nd, 2009
I think that review was overly harsh. There is a fairly complex story going on that they had to try and give the basics of in the first episode, and I think they did that quite well. They needed the pre-title sequence and motorbike scene to set up a few plot points later on. The whole point about the bike race was to set up her injury which she didn't remember (also allowing the introduction of Amy Acker's character). Plus it showed how she had been imprinted with the personality of a girlfriend for the birthday guy, hence the reference at the end to Cinderella Same with the standoff later on. They needed to show that sometimes these imprints will have flaws. Was it the best episode of anything ever? No. But I do think this was overly-critical.
Simon, London on February 22nd, 2009
Even as a devout Whedonite, the revised pilot really did fail to engage me on any significant level. Joss Whedon has always worked best when dealing with complex and epic mythologies, as opposed to the stand-alone structure that the Fox Network favours; indeed, insists upon. Episode One was so brutally 'tidy' and wrapped up by its' conclusion, that hanging around for Episode 2 didn't really seem all that necessary. However, purely because it's Joss - I did stick around for Episode 2, and having now seen it, in all its' high tension, multi-layered glory - all I can say is 'WOW'!' Now, we're back in familiar Whedon territory both character-wise and mythology-wise. In my opinion, this would have served as a far superior pilot, for all the intriguing premise left dangling at the end, despite it's episodic theme being wholly concluded. You really get a sense of 'Jeeez! Whats' this girl got herself mixed up in?!' - and really feel for how desperately naive and trapped she is within the Dollhouse organisation. You want to see her 'ok' and 'safe'. You want to stick around until she is. And though the immediate peril is over, you are left with a tangible feeling by episodes end, that she's definately not 'ok' and is far from 'safe'. So you wanna stick around. Queue the stampede for Episode 3. I don't think the critique of Dollhouse's lack of humour, especially at this early stage, is a fair one. Of course it's not going to have highly nuanced, quick teen banter of Buffy, the dark twisted sarcasm of Angel, and nor are the characters immediately identifiable (read; Stereotyped) as FireFly. (ie: Neolithic Jayne dispises the Prim & Proper Simon. Slapstick ensues.) It's a totally different animal, and ought to be afforded the opportunity to develop its' moments of humour, from knowing these characters a bit better. (ie: When Giles answers the door wearing a Sombrero, a Poncho and an inane grin, would the completely silent interchange between he & Buffy have worked, in Episode One, before their relationship had been defined? In a word, 'No'.) So, in conclusion, if you aint seen Episode One - c'est la vie - however make sure you catch Episode 2, for this is undoubtedly where the ante is upped - and Whedons brilliance is glimpsed for the first time in far, far too long. Top Notch Stuff!
april, retford on February 22nd, 2009
ok so the first episode was only average compared to what any joss fan comes to expect but if you look at the early episodes of buffy they wernt amazing either, good but not fantastic. the second episode of dollhouse i agree was much much better than the first, it was compelling and had more of a sense of ergency that the first did not. if fox did its job right in the first place Whedons writing wouldnt have been questioned he's more than proved himself to be a fantastic writer and director, it sometimes makes me wonder if fox put his shows on the air and then cancel them just as quickly in order to see some sort of failure, like with all the unusual and ahead of their time shows. within a few weeks i am sure dollhouse will prove to be the high quality production we all come to expect.
Daniel Erskine on February 22nd, 2009
Diehard fan of Buffy and Angel, Firefly bores the crap out of me, so i did not no what to expect from the pilot, trailers made the show look boring, self indulged and confusing, so i watched out of curiosity. But what I found after the pilot was none of the above whatsoever! Dollhouse is a smart, well-crafted thriller with perfect performances throughout. A complicated plot is made easy to underdstand thanks to the brilliant writing. Eliza Dushku acts wonderfully and gives each of her identities their own character to care about. The small storyline involving the kindnapped girl is nothing short of compelling and helps us understand more about the dollhouse and the creators. I thought this show would be a storyline a week thing, which probaly made me think it would be boring but is held together by brilliant plot twist at the end of the pilot. There is also some agent guy looking for the dollhouse which doesn't intregue me too much yet, but there is potential. I get the feeling however, we missed out on TV gold with the axing of the pilot, while this was brilliant, I cant help feel that the original pilot would have rocked my thermal socks off. Anyone who likes good tv will find something to enjoy here! This could shape up to be whedons best.... GASP, did i just say that???
rodders, earth on February 22nd, 2009
Fox has already screwed this show up! Everything was fine for fans of Joss Whedons projects, but Fox decided it needed big changes so the casual viewer could watch it. Well thanks a lot to Fox for screwing us over. After Firefly, I can't say i'm suprised.
Chris Ireland on February 22nd, 2009
For the love of God you can't give a verdict on 2 episodes. It's not going to kill you to wait until the season is over. MY GOD.
Jimbob, UK on February 22nd, 2009
Sure, the pilot wasn't that great, but the 2nd episode was much, much better (aired on Friday 20th). Check it out! Not sure the pilot deserves 2 stars, maybe 3. It wasn't awful TV, just decidedly average.
Alex, UK on February 22nd, 2009
Big Buffy/Angel/Firefly fan. Episode one of Dollhouse wasn't great, but episode two is even better. This show does need time to develop. Stay watching!
DEAN91 on February 22nd, 2009
i ve seen the pilot and it was great. but i think that the original pilot was better. it explained in a better way to the questions: who? what? why? many fans expected the original pilot but were disapponited by 'ghost' ( a nice episode, but it was too procedural ). but the second episode yesterday was amazing and i hope it attracted many fans ofr the next time. the show is amazing. the actress is amazing and the story is amazing.. the point is: why people should see supernanny at the same time? or flashpoint?? are u so stupid to be not able to follow everything but procedural or reality?? this is why CBS is winning every night.. the show needs time and i hope that fox will give more.
Andy, Portsmouth UK on February 22nd, 2009
Please be aware that the review is for the Studio pilot, not Joss Weadon's! The studio has its normal problem with Joss's work because its not a police or hospital series. The second episode is I believe Joss's pilot so I would hold any comments until then. It was broadcast on Friday night this week.