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CoolboyA 29-10-2005 19:18

Why are all the Tv listings an hour late?
 
i guessed it was because of the clocks going back! :(

mfr 29-10-2005 20:40

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Originally Posted by CoolboyA
i guessed it was because of the clocks going back! :(

Exactly right. Your box is probably showing listings in BST.

Hence Eastenders is on at 9pm BST on Monday (8pm GMT).

It should fix itself after 2am.

lnp 30-10-2005 00:43

Some are an hour early at the moment. 4Music is currently billed as 01:55-01:10 in the EPG. Looks rather strange.

lonelyangeluk 30-10-2005 01:04

it probably is the time change but i had this problem on my box a couple of weeks ago and had to re-scan my box to get it right :)

Dancc 30-10-2005 01:16

So far my box is being ultra stubborn and refusing to acknowledge the time change!

TheFreeviewGuy 30-10-2005 02:59

When Are the clocks going back ?

lnp 30-10-2005 03:05

Just over two hours ago!

jra 30-10-2005 03:38

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Originally Posted by TheFreeviewGuy
When Are the clocks going back ?

0200 hrs BST.

:)

ironeagleuk 30-10-2005 04:57

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Originally Posted by LoudMouth101
So far my box is being ultra stubborn and refusing to acknowledge the time change!

My STB is still currently an hour ahead....the EPG is also an hour ahead too

heidtheba 30-10-2005 07:56

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Originally Posted by ironeagleuk
My STB is still currently an hour ahead....the EPG is also an hour ahead too

And my teletext on analogue shows 1hour out as well>

rfw 30-10-2005 08:21

As of 0820 GMT analogue teletext is showing the correct time but my VCRs have not adjusted. I have a feeling they pick the time up from the PDC clock, which might be different from the displayed time.

With Freeview, my Pioneer, Pace OnDigital and Pace Twin boxes have picked up GMT but my Humax and Grundigs haven't.

ney 30-10-2005 08:31

BBC text is still and hour out. Most VCR`s set them selfs using the analogue signal from the BBC text service. On some VCR`s you can goto menu and change it so clock gets the signal from analogue ITV/C4 but the BBC is usally the best for updating the VCR clock time.

Darren

Spot 30-10-2005 08:31

I find that with my Nokia Mediamaster I have to turn it on after the clocks have changed, then put it back into standby and only then does the change register.

There's a problem with Ceefax which they're working on, by the way!

hansol2005 30-10-2005 08:50

My daewoo DS700 still show +1 hour..So does analogue ceefax

jra 30-10-2005 09:09

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Originally Posted by Spot
I find that with my Nokia Mediamaster I have to turn it on after the clocks have changed, then put it back into standby and only then does the change register.

You can't see the time on the MM front panel when the MM is 'On', so you have to do the 'Standby/On/Standby' procedure to see the correct time, or go in the Menu system after 'On'.

:)

ssssssssgoodboy 30-10-2005 09:20

I emailed the bbc about this and they have replied within 10 minutes as follows

Thank you for your e-mail.

The clock change went through automatically overnight in most parts of
the country but we have been made aware of an engineering fault with the
timestamp in certain areas.

We alerted BBC engineers who tell us that the matter is being urgently
addressed. We apologise to any viewers who are experiencing problems.


Very very quick response

Tony Richards 30-10-2005 09:53

My Sony IDTV still showing BST on all functions despite switching to stand by and back. Don't think there's a way of manually setting clock either. That's from Crystal Palace. Probably sort itself out during the day...

Richard Taylor 30-10-2005 09:58

Well, from what I remember, DTT takes its time from the TDT (Time and Date Table) or TOT (Time Offset Table). And these are inserted via the SIPSI (Service Insertion Point for Service Information) at each mother transmitter from the London sent SI (Service UInformation) stream. So it's either wrong across the UK or correct.

Analogue Ceefax is re-inserted in each region or Nation via a PC - yes a PC!

So it could actually be a Mr. Gates problem?

Is it fixed now?

Butterflygirl 30-10-2005 10:36

Sorry, too much technical jargon for a poor Essex blonde like me!

My digifusion has the wrong time on it and so does BBCi are they connected and is it being fixed?

Thanks everso,

x

sorbiegunner 30-10-2005 10:38

I have the correct (adjusted) time downstairs on Pace on-digital and BST upstairs on Thomson 1000. This is including BBC text, time correct downstairs wrong upstairs. the BBC whatson shows the correct time for the programme thats on but the time display at the top of the screen is wrong. Info and EPG are both wrong. Downstairs on the Pace everything is correct.

cw_485 30-10-2005 10:38

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Originally Posted by Richard Taylor
Well, from what I remember, DTT takes its time from the TDT (Time and Date Table) or TOT (Time Offset Table). And these are inserted via the SIPSI (Service Insertion Point for Service Information) at each mother transmitter from the London sent SI (Service UInformation) stream. So it's either wrong across the UK or correct.

I could be wrong, but my understanding was that time was re-inserted at the local transmitter site (though not all relays) to help combat minor differences in propagation delay.

This would suggest why this problem doesnt seem to be universal throughout the UK.

Just as a matter of interest, Ive got two boxes here (wrekin area), one has no manual time control at all and despite full hard resets etc still shows time one hour out. The other does not allow me to set the time, but does allow me to set GMT timezone offset. That was still showing GMT+1.

When I manually set that it of course then showed correct time.

My guess would be that for whatever reason that the time that is broadcast is in fact always sent in GMT and it is the timezone offset data which is still currently wrong. (If I get chance I will put my spare DTV tuner card into a PC and run up the diagnostics pack to see if this is confirmable)

Ive just checked my MSF based time sync unit in my server farm, and thats correct, as is the clock data from my GPS downlinks. Im not sure what source beeb central takes for its time sync, but its a fair guess that at local transmitters it will be either GPS or MSF derived. A software issue at Beeb engineering end looks a likely culprit therefore.

If it is a Gates issues, how embarrasing!!! especially as the Beeb R&D dept have been a largely Linux based shop for a while now :)

Harris-in-Notts 30-10-2005 10:40

Perhaps we shouldn't grumble. The clock on my video at least tells me what time my body thinks it is. And for me thats far more important!

:yawn:

We shouldn't need to be changing clocks around anyway.

Richard Taylor 30-10-2005 11:00

Just checked with my ex colleagues (I retired from the game last year :-) )

The problem is in the Broadcast Centre, where they are all running around trying to locate it!

The time sent in the DTT (& DSAT) stream is UTC. This is in both the TDT & TOT. The TOT "adds" an hour for BST.

The BBC uses a mixture of GPS, time servers and MSF Rugby. There are time sub standard Sync Pulse Generators accurate to many decimal places too.

I'm not aware of extra time adjustment at the transmitter, certainly the SIPSI will get its time from the stream, which is UTC.

Guess who bought a cheap radio clock from Aldi, that's still on "BST"!

Carpathian 30-10-2005 13:03

I assume that's why my Echostar T101+ is still stubbornly clinging on to that hour and won't give it back !!

I paniced when I got up thinking I'd overslept ! :D :rolleyes:

Oldjim 30-10-2005 13:38

Odd thing is my Setpal boxes are correct but the Echostar boxes, Video recorder and DVD recorder are still wrong.
Fun is going to start when I want to set the recorder tonight


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