Hardcore coming soon? - Sky

skyfreak · 04-09-2004, 11:24

I read last night on the melonfarmers website,that hardcore pornography would be on uk satellite tv (sky) by next month,according to an article in zoo magazine.As anyone else heard about this?

04-09-2004, 12:06

Its a possibilty as OfCom are reviewing the guidelines. And now R18 is legal to buy, I don't see why it can't be bought on television.

samtman · 04-09-2004, 15:53

buy a video then u wont have to wait

Clacton Crew · 04-09-2004, 16:32

or downloade them on the internet there so meny sites where you can downloade free hardcore dvds

Eraserhead · 04-09-2004, 17:03

This is an ongoing dicussion. I think my very first DS post was about this, in fact (only back in May :-)

The situation is under review and there is a fairly strong likelihood (from what I've heard) that hardcore content will be introduced on subscription and PPV satellite porn channels pretty much as soon as OfCom allows it.

Undoubtedly, there will probably be uproar from Daily Mail readers (who secretly watch it anyway) but OfCom are in fairly broad agreement that the current situation is silly - i.e. that you can buy hardcore vids and DVD's and see just about anything on the net but can't watch it on late night, subscription-only, encrypted TV channels.

However, OfCom will likely set out guidelines for what is acceptable (probably within the existing R18 standard), so that we are allowed to see penetration and oral sex but broadcasters will be prohibited from broadcasting potentially offensive material such as non-consensual sex (real or "acted"), sex with minors (obviously) and borderline bad-taste sexual practices such as those involving, ahem, bodily wastes.

bigstunnerdude · 04-09-2004, 18:18

Bring on the Hardcore porn, about damn time. I'm fed up of the soft core rubbish, I want to see some serious action.

yBSy · 04-09-2004, 19:10

Unfortnately the rest of the world is now doing "extreme porn". It is like broadband internet situation, we are forever playing catch up. They have 10 Mbit, we have 512k.

If they will ban 'bad taste' that would rule out (readers of a nervous disposition should skip the next 4 words), 'female self vomit masturbation'...
not that i've seen it on video. We should be leading and doing crazy things that have not been filmed before. Yes it would be ill but nothing illegal happened. The biggest thing that holds us back is the Obscene Publications Act.

I am offended by Christian religious programming on terrestrial TV but that still exists. Why not have 'live worship from the mosque' ?

daily mail is nothing but trouble.
I recently asked somebody about the Leah Betts case (1994). 10 years on they thought the daily mail story was correct. The truth was know weeks after the headline, but somebody believes lies 10 years on!!

Hardcore you know the score.

phelings · 04-09-2004, 22:31

The Obscene Publications Act is a 1959 joke and matters very little these days.It rarely goes to court as its very difficult to get a jury to find anything obscene these days.The Act is still enforceable on the grounds that something"is likely to deprave and corrupt".Antiquated and in need of abolition.
Current R18 rules restrict supply to licensed sex shops.Broadcasting it on Sky would seriously undermine that part of the classification and so I would be surprised to see full strength R18 on UK satellite unless the BBFC R18 rules are modified.It would look really stupid being able to record it from Sky,but not be able to buy it from places other than sex shops.If the rule does not change,you would be able to record it from Sky,but if that tape/dvd passes to anyone outside your house you would be violating the Video Recordings Act.

danbrusca · 05-09-2004, 12:05

It should be noted that the Ofcom consultation document, while outlining an option to allow R18 on satellite, actually recommends that the status quo be maintained. If people want to see a change then they need to respond to the consultation.

malcom · 05-09-2004, 13:32

As danbrusca pointed out the status quo in their draft copy has been recommended by Ofcom. So all those keen for a change do not assume it will happen. Unless you get involved.

So please try and find the time. Get typing and take part in the consultation before it ends early October...

I too am not optimistic about the outcome of the consultation. Never the less I did find the time and patience to get involved.....Ofcom are not mind readers. Indeed Ofcom would prefer if people didn't have minds at all. then they could continue the culture of repression at will.

It is up to all of us to remind them that there are people who care about repression and unjustified infantile censorship. let them know it is time the UK public were treated like adults with the freedom to choose.......

Dr.Phlox · 05-09-2004, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eraserhead

<snip>....and borderline bad-taste sexual practices such as those involving, ahem, bodily wastes.

Actually, watersports is permissible on R18 videos. Number 2's isn't (thank God!)

DP

FusionLad · 05-09-2004, 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Phlox

Actually, watersports is permissible on R18 videos. Number 2's isn't (thank God!)

DP

That's good. Grandstand don't show many water sports anymore. Will be good to find it on the specialist channels.

Dr.Phlox · 05-09-2004, 14:46

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Originally Posted by FusionLad

That's good. Grandstand don't show many water sports anymore. Will be good to find it on the specialist channels.

Dread to think what the commentary would be like

DP

phelings · 05-09-2004, 21:54

Actually watersports is NOT permissable on R18 material.Although they will allow scenes involving urination,if the urinating is actually on to another person then it is cut.Check out the BBFC website.There are numerous dvd's cut to remove "urolagnia".

Lemonade · 06-09-2004, 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigstunnerdude

Bring on the Hardcore porn, about damn time. I'm fed up of the soft core rubbish, I want to see some serious action.

oh......that's nasty!

!

Dano · 06-09-2004, 16:11

I myself dont care less, yes i have viewed it who hasnt, but just cant see the point, however and this is the point i wish to make. Nearly all of Europe has had Hard Core Porn for years, the have no licensing laws as far as drink is concerened compared to ours, and they dont care about nudity on Beaches. Given all those things they have lower crime levels, less sexual violence, and hardly and drink related problems.

What a nanny state we live in. So lets do away with such silly ideas, its 2004 for anyone in Ofcom reading this, and even the children have seen worse than me.

FusionLad · 06-09-2004, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lemonade

oh......that's nasty!

!

nasty?

eviledna · 06-09-2004, 16:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dano

I myself dont care less, yes i have viewed it who hasnt, but just cant see the point, however and this is the point i wish to make. Nearly all of Europe has had Hard Core Porn for years, the have no licensing laws as far as drink is concerened compared to ours, and they dont care about nudity on Beaches. Given all those things they have lower crime levels, less sexual violence, and hardly and drink related problems.

What a nanny state we live in. So lets do away with such silly ideas, its 2004 for anyone in Ofcom reading this, and even the children have seen worse than me.

But they're warmer countries and people who go nude on their beaches are slightly less repulsive than over here.

I don't believe for a second that there would have been this rush of new channels if Ofcom weren't about to allow some kind of relaxation of the rules. It seems utterly bizarre that the technology exists for encrypted PPV and yet we don't use it. It's even more bizarre that these adult channels, despite being encrypted, are no harder than material which airs in the early hours on Channel 4 - a free to air channel.

And as for the Daily Mail, it would be anti the idea, but only because Richard Desmond (owner of the Express) would benefit from these rule changes.

KeyserSoze · 06-09-2004, 17:58

I say bring on the hardcore porn. I've completed my feedback sheet for the Ofcom consultation, giving my opinion on the matter and hope that I soon start to see value for money for my £15 a month! .. Instead of seeing a 'womans area' (to quote Alan Partridge) being obscured at an important point, by a hairy leg, or an elbow .. or some other bone

The sooner the better I say .. I can stop importing stuff then from the US

Eraserhead · 06-09-2004, 18:27

Just looked at the current Ofcom consultation paper on the review of adult material.

Section 14.62 has a recommendation that R18 material should continue to be prohibited unless there are enough safeguards in place to prevent minors or easily offended adults from viewing such material.

Given that R18 material would only be sensibly available on premium or PPV adult channels, there are surely enough safeguards in place already. It's virtually impossible to "accidentally" tune in to adult TV channels, given that they're PIN protected and available to subscribers only (who, presumably, have subscribed to the service using a credit card).

It's far easier for a child to obtain hardcore porn on the internet or to pick up one of dad's R18 adult videos - OfCom should be satisfied that there are enough safeguards in place on adult channels already.

Since the review is still under consultation, anyone wishing to express their views either way should go here:

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultation...ion15/?a=87101

You've got until 5th October.

EUROPA · 06-09-2004, 19:27

well we get hardcore tv every night from 11pm to 5.30 via a normal tv aerial,no decoder box satellite dish,sex shop just broadcast thru a std tv aerial,totally in clear..ON FRIDAYS AND WEEKEND HARDCORD GAY on teidevision channel 6,and miramar tv,azel tv

iambigbrother1 · 06-09-2004, 19:43

free porn like dat, shame thew local hairdressers cant put on one of them like the salon BUT NAKED! THERE ALL SOOOOOOOOOOOO HOT in there

Dr.Phlox · 06-09-2004, 19:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by phelings

Actually watersports is NOT permissable on R18 material.Although they will allow scenes involving urination,if the urinating is actually on to another person then it is cut.Check out the BBFC website.There are numerous dvd's cut to remove "urolagnia".

Then stuff being sold on Superdick.net and Rudebirds.com is illegal.

DP

Eraserhead · 06-09-2004, 19:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by EUROPA

well we get hardcore tv every night from 11pm to 5.30 via a normal tv aerial,no decoder box satellite dish,sex shop just broadcast thru a std tv aerial,totally in clear..ON FRIDAYS AND WEEKEND HARDCORD GAY on teidevision channel 6,and miramar tv,azel tv

And in the area where you live, has the population become "depraved and corrupted"? Has the crime rate soared? Has the very fabric of society crumbled?

If not, please tell that to those who oppose pornography on TV, because that's what they think will happen to society if we're allowed to watch images of consenting adults having sex in the privacy of our own homes.

steveimp · 06-09-2004, 20:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Phlox

Dread to think what the commentary would be like

DP

<David Coleman>

extraoOORDINARRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

</David Coleman>

04-09-2004, 11:24	#1
skyfreak Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: south wales Services: sky tv and aol Posts: 268	Hardcore coming soon? I read last night on the melonfarmers website,that hardcore pornography would be on uk satellite tv (sky) by next month,according to an article in zoo magazine.As anyone else heard about this?

06-09-2004, 19:43	#22
iambigbrother1 Banned User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Sussex Services: Sky Digital, Sky+, Homecall 2mb Broadband, Freeview Posts: 94	woah! free porn like dat, shame thew local hairdressers cant put on one of them like the salon BUT NAKED! THERE ALL SOOOOOOOOOOOO HOT in there

04-09-2004, 12:06	#2
Joyitude Posts: n/a	Its a possibilty as OfCom are reviewing the guidelines. And now R18 is legal to buy, I don't see why it can't be bought on television.

04-09-2004, 15:53	#3
samtman Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Manchester Services: sky+ HD,nokia n95,broadband,Wii, PSP, Xbox and PS3 tag - SAMTMAN Posts: 956	buy a video then u wont have to wait

04-09-2004, 16:32	#4
Clacton Crew Banned User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Clacton On Sea SkY+PACE BOXV2 Services: AOL 2MB,Freeview+DAB radio on CE London+DRG & Switch+Now S&C Captial Kent Posts: 1,563	or downloade them on the internet there so meny sites where you can downloade free hardcore dvds

04-09-2004, 17:03	#5
Eraserhead Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Psychoville Services: Sky+, 6mb BT b/band Posts: 12,220	This is an ongoing dicussion. I think my very first DS post was about this, in fact (only back in May :-) The situation is under review and there is a fairly strong likelihood (from what I've heard) that hardcore content will be introduced on subscription and PPV satellite porn channels pretty much as soon as OfCom allows it. Undoubtedly, there will probably be uproar from Daily Mail readers (who secretly watch it anyway) but OfCom are in fairly broad agreement that the current situation is silly - i.e. that you can buy hardcore vids and DVD's and see just about anything on the net but can't watch it on late night, subscription-only, encrypted TV channels. However, OfCom will likely set out guidelines for what is acceptable (probably within the existing R18 standard), so that we are allowed to see penetration and oral sex but broadcasters will be prohibited from broadcasting potentially offensive material such as non-consensual sex (real or "acted"), sex with minors (obviously) and borderline bad-taste sexual practices such as those involving, ahem, bodily wastes.

04-09-2004, 18:18	#6
bigstunnerdude Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Grantham, Lincolnshire Services: Sky+, NTL2mb Broadband, Motorola V635 on T Mobile Posts: 3,665	Bring on the Hardcore porn, about damn time. I'm fed up of the soft core rubbish, I want to see some serious action.

04-09-2004, 19:10	#7
yBSy Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 2,200	Unfortnately the rest of the world is now doing "extreme porn". It is like broadband internet situation, we are forever playing catch up. They have 10 Mbit, we have 512k. If they will ban 'bad taste' that would rule out (readers of a nervous disposition should skip the next 4 words), 'female self vomit masturbation'... not that i've seen it on video. We should be leading and doing crazy things that have not been filmed before. Yes it would be ill but nothing illegal happened. The biggest thing that holds us back is the Obscene Publications Act. I am offended by Christian religious programming on terrestrial TV but that still exists. Why not have 'live worship from the mosque' ? daily mail is nothing but trouble. I recently asked somebody about the Leah Betts case (1994). 10 years on they thought the daily mail story was correct. The truth was know weeks after the headline, but somebody believes lies 10 years on!! Hardcore you know the score.

04-09-2004, 22:31	#8
phelings Banned User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: 2MB NTL Services: SKY+160,Manhattan 6900,1m motorised,Pioneer656,Pioneer 420 hdd Fusion PVR Posts: 3,246	The Obscene Publications Act is a 1959 joke and matters very little these days.It rarely goes to court as its very difficult to get a jury to find anything obscene these days.The Act is still enforceable on the grounds that something"is likely to deprave and corrupt".Antiquated and in need of abolition. Current R18 rules restrict supply to licensed sex shops.Broadcasting it on Sky would seriously undermine that part of the classification and so I would be surprised to see full strength R18 on UK satellite unless the BBFC R18 rules are modified.It would look really stupid being able to record it from Sky,but not be able to buy it from places other than sex shops.If the rule does not change,you would be able to record it from Sky,but if that tape/dvd passes to anyone outside your house you would be violating the Video Recordings Act.

05-09-2004, 12:05	#9
danbrusca Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Derbyshire Services: Sky Digital, ADSL Posts: 94	It should be noted that the Ofcom consultation document, while outlining an option to allow R18 on satellite, actually recommends that the status quo be maintained. If people want to see a change then they need to respond to the consultation.

05-09-2004, 13:32	#10
malcom Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,362	As danbrusca pointed out the status quo in their draft copy has been recommended by Ofcom. So all those keen for a change do not assume it will happen. Unless you get involved. So please try and find the time. Get typing and take part in the consultation before it ends early October... I too am not optimistic about the outcome of the consultation. Never the less I did find the time and patience to get involved.....Ofcom are not mind readers. Indeed Ofcom would prefer if people didn't have minds at all. then they could continue the culture of repression at will. It is up to all of us to remind them that there are people who care about repression and unjustified infantile censorship. let them know it is time the UK public were treated like adults with the freedom to choose.......

05-09-2004, 21:54	#14
phelings Banned User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: 2MB NTL Services: SKY+160,Manhattan 6900,1m motorised,Pioneer656,Pioneer 420 hdd Fusion PVR Posts: 3,246	Actually watersports is NOT permissable on R18 material.Although they will allow scenes involving urination,if the urinating is actually on to another person then it is cut.Check out the BBFC website.There are numerous dvd's cut to remove "urolagnia".

06-09-2004, 16:11	#16
Dano Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bristol Services: Sky Digital / FTA Posts: 100	I myself dont care less, yes i have viewed it who hasnt, but just cant see the point, however and this is the point i wish to make. Nearly all of Europe has had Hard Core Porn for years, the have no licensing laws as far as drink is concerened compared to ours, and they dont care about nudity on Beaches. Given all those things they have lower crime levels, less sexual violence, and hardly and drink related problems. What a nanny state we live in. So lets do away with such silly ideas, its 2004 for anyone in Ofcom reading this, and even the children have seen worse than me.

06-09-2004, 17:58	#19
KeyserSoze Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Birmingham, UK Services: Sky+HD (Samsung), Sky+ (Amstrad PVR3, Multiroom), Sky Broadband Mid (8MB) Posts: 441	I say bring on the hardcore porn. I've completed my feedback sheet for the Ofcom consultation, giving my opinion on the matter and hope that I soon start to see value for money for my £15 a month! .. Instead of seeing a 'womans area' (to quote Alan Partridge) being obscured at an important point, by a hairy leg, or an elbow .. or some other bone The sooner the better I say .. I can stop importing stuff then from the US

06-09-2004, 18:27	#20
Eraserhead Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Psychoville Services: Sky+, 6mb BT b/band Posts: 12,220	Just looked at the current Ofcom consultation paper on the review of adult material. Section 14.62 has a recommendation that R18 material should continue to be prohibited unless there are enough safeguards in place to prevent minors or easily offended adults from viewing such material. Given that R18 material would only be sensibly available on premium or PPV adult channels, there are surely enough safeguards in place already. It's virtually impossible to "accidentally" tune in to adult TV channels, given that they're PIN protected and available to subscribers only (who, presumably, have subscribed to the service using a credit card). It's far easier for a child to obtain hardcore porn on the internet or to pick up one of dad's R18 adult videos - OfCom should be satisfied that there are enough safeguards in place on adult channels already. Since the review is still under consultation, anyone wishing to express their views either way should go here: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultation...ion15/?a=87101 You've got until 5th October.

06-09-2004, 19:27	#21
EUROPA Forum Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: TENERIFE Services: astra2A,2B,arabsat Posts: 287	well we get hardcore tv every night from 11pm to 5.30 via a normal tv aerial,no decoder box satellite dish,sex shop just broadcast thru a std tv aerial,totally in clear..ON FRIDAYS AND WEEKEND HARDCORD GAY on teidevision channel 6,and miramar tv,azel tv