who are the toclafane? - Page 5 - Doctor Who and Torchwood

Colin_F · 27-06-2007, 08:33

I must admit i like the idea of the dalek/timelord hybrid.
Yes I know it would be the 3rd year on the trot that there have been daleks in the finale, but it would be a new twist.
The new twist that Evolution so singulary failed to be.
But of EotD was just a foreshadowing of this event that might make more sense.
And of course why are the spheres so small? Because they are bigger on the inside.

dev101 · 27-06-2007, 08:33

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Originally Posted by Cthulhu-4-King

what isfane
in french?.LORD

erm no ... fane in French is wither not lord, it can work in French

toc = fake
la = the
fane = wither

make sense of that if you like

thain or thane is a minor noble in scandinavia though so maybe you're right. Wasn't the darlek to bad wolf translation norwegian?

6billion toclafane
6.6-6.7 billion humans .... one tenth destroyed now we have parity of numbers

Tremas · 27-06-2007, 08:46

Fane in french is Fan (as in a folded cooling device)

so toclafane is fake the fan

dev101 · 27-06-2007, 08:57

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Originally Posted by Tremas

Fane in french is Fan (as in a folded cooling device)

so toclafane is fake the fan

Really? Not one I've come across before, I would translate english fan to ventilateur, but maybe I'm wrong.

fane: fane fané faner

fane:
fane (Botanique) nf leaf stalk

fané:
fané addj wilted (flétri)
fané adj withered

faner:
faner ⇒ v fade (flowers)
faner v wilt (people)

Additional Translations:
faner v languish (people)
faner v wilt (flowers)
faner v wither (flowers)
faner v debilitate (weaken)
faner (flétrir) v droop (flowers in a vase)

Pronominal Verbs
se faner v wither away

racingmars · 27-06-2007, 09:01

woah, this is getting deep...

like the idea of popualtion numbers parity though.

sunwolf · 27-06-2007, 10:46

Child evacuees in wartime have been a running theme in both Who & Torchwood. Is it not safe to assume the Timelords would have done likewise?

Corwin · 27-06-2007, 16:19

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Originally Posted by dev101

erm no ... fane in French is wither not lord, it can work in French

toc = fake
la = the
fane = wither

make sense of that if you like

thain or thane is a minor noble in scandinavia though so maybe you're right. Wasn't the darlek to bad wolf translation norwegian?

6billion toclafane
6.6-6.7 billion humans .... one tenth destroyed now we have parity of numbers

On the subject of Norway.

Someone checked the co-ordinates that Jack gave for the location of the Valient.

http://community.livejournal.com/doc...55.html#cutid1

Norway seems to be as bad as Cardiff and London for having mysterious Rifts.

Was it a rift in Time/Space the Toclafane opened up and travelled through or one from a Parallell World?

Ainley · 28-06-2007, 08:42

Toclafane. An anagram of 'a conflate'. A conflate is a moulding together. The remnants of the Time Lords (perhaps their memories that are supposed to go into the Matrix but had nowhere to go after Gallifrey was destroyed, or maybe even the children who went mad when they looked into the vortex, as did the Master) are contained inside the Toclafane. The sounds of drums isn't referring to 'drum' the percussion instrument, but 'drum' the container. The Toclafane are the containers. The Master has somehow managed to mould together the Time Lord remnants with, perhaps, DNA from the Doctor's hand that he has in that jar or maybe even some humans from Utopia (or, and I hope not, he's been working with Dalek Caan on the Dalek Human hydrid things featured in 'Daleks In Manhattan'). He said there were 6 billion Toclafane and he ordered them to destroy one tenth of the Earth's population leaving, coincidentally, 6 billion bodies for the Toclafane to inhabit. The Master told the Doctor that if he told him who the Toclafane really are it would break his hearts. It would indeed break his hearts if, to save the world, he had to destroy a new race of Time Lords, as he apparently did to end the Time War. He would thus be once again rendered The Last Of The Time Lords, the title of episode 13.
Either that or, the same as above, but the Master has made loads of clones of the Doctor from his DNA.

Cthulhu-4-King · 28-06-2007, 08:45

i wonder what TOC, LA and FANE is in Norwiegein?

Cthulhu-4-King · 28-06-2007, 08:51

any ideas???

Silent Timelord · 28-06-2007, 08:54

This is huge. Has proberly been noted somewhere else though...

spoiler:
It says on Saxons 'official' website, that Lucy Saxons father is the Lord Cole of Tarminster. Re-arrange the letters and the most spoilerish anagram is revealed...

Lord Cole of Tarminster = Toclafane or Timelords

Coincidence? I think not...

28-06-2007, 08:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silent Timelord

This is huge. Has proberly been noted somewhere else though...

spoiler:
It says on Saxons 'official' website, that Lucy Saxons father is the Lord Cole of Tarminster. Re-arrange the letters and the most spoilerish anagram is revealed...

Lord Cole of Tarminster = Toclafane or Timelords

Coincidence? I think not...

but 'Toclafane or Timelords' has 2 a's in it-but freaky none the less!!

Silent Timelord · 28-06-2007, 08:58

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Originally Posted by emma30

but 'Toclafane or Timelords' has 2 a's in it-but freaky none the less!!

still.....
and just out of interest what do you work as?

28-06-2007, 09:01

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Originally Posted by Silent Timelord

still.....
and just out of interest what do you work as?

may i ask why you ask?

Histeria · 28-06-2007, 09:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silent Timelord

This is huge. Has proberly been noted somewhere else though...

spoiler:
It says on Saxons 'official' website, that Lucy Saxons father is the Lord Cole of Tarminster. Re-arrange the letters and the most spoilerish anagram is revealed...

Lord Cole of Tarminster = Toclafane or Timelords

Errr... no it isn't. There's too many 'r's and not enought 'a's.

28-06-2007, 17:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silent Timelord

This is huge. Has proberly been noted somewhere else though...

spoiler:
It says on Saxons 'official' website, that Lucy Saxons father is the Lord Cole of Tarminster. Re-arrange the letters and the most spoilerish anagram is revealed...

Lord Cole of Tarminster = Toclafane or Timelords

Coincidence? I think not...

Is it toclafane or toclofane?

David Tennant when talking to the John Simm clearly puts an "UFF" in the middle of toclofane, which suggests it is toclofane.

Therefore:

spoiler:
Lord Cole of Tarminster = Toclofane rr Timelords

which is a bit "txt speak" but still works.

Also adding THE to the Lords title: The Lord Cole of Tarminster = The Toclofane rr Timelords

Cosmic Hobo · 28-06-2007, 17:48

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Originally Posted by sunwolf

Child evacuees in wartime have been a running theme in both Who & Torchwood. Is it not safe to assume the Timelords would have done likewise?

That's a very good point, had comletely missed that myself. If the Timelords had imprisoned so many Daleks in the Genesis Arc, they could also have evacuated the "non-fighting" Time Lords and other Galifreyans.

Histeria · 28-06-2007, 18:08

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Originally Posted by pepsimix

Is it toclafane or toclofane?

David Tennant when talking to the John Simm clearly puts an "UFF" in the middle of toclofane, which suggests it is toclofane

BBC's website spells it with an 'a'.

TakeDown247 · 28-06-2007, 20:08

I don't think toclafane are timelords as The Master in the sound of drums had no idea that Gallifrey and the Timelords are all gone, the clue is what ever they are will break the doctors hearts

Rev. Slodden · 28-06-2007, 20:45

The Toclafane = The Once Fatal

just an idea

wurzelina · 29-06-2007, 05:22

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Originally Posted by Rev. Slodden

The Toclafane = The Once Fatal

just an idea

Or "Talent of each".

Just another idea!

Alrightmate · 29-06-2007, 08:54

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Originally Posted by TakeDown247

I don't think toclafane are timelords as The Master in the sound of drums had no idea that Gallifrey and the Timelords are all gone, the clue is what ever they are will break the doctors hearts

We don't know for sure that The Master didn't know.
For all we know he could have been bluffing just to find out if The Doctor knew or not.

It is very plausible that The Toclafane could be the children of the Timelords because in World War 2 we evacuated all our children away for the big cities to the countryside...so it's a logical thing to do in science fiction too.

If the Toclafane are Timelords and are going to take over human bodies then I think that definitely would break the Doctor's heart. To think that the children of his own race are going to just wipe out the human race would be a heartbreaking dilemna for him.

spoiler:
..after all it's obvious to most people that the Timelords are going to be involved

The metallic spheres probably act in the same way that the pocket watches did that are used with the Chameleon Arch. The Timelord essences are probably stored in the spheres, and when the spheres open the Timelord essence is probably released as a swirly gassy entity and takes over the body of the human victim.
On 'Confidential' it showed an old clip of The Master taking over the body of an old man, so the precedent has already been set to illustrate that Timelords have this capacity. Or at least The Master did in that old clip.

allisonbm2 · 29-06-2007, 10:47

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Originally Posted by Alrightmate

We don't know for sure that The Master didn't know.
For all we know he could have been bluffing just to find out if The Doctor knew or not.

It is very plausible that The Toclafane could be the children of the Timelords because in World War 2 we evacuated all our children away for the big cities to the countryside...so it's a logical thing to do in science fiction too.

If the Toclafane are Timelords and are going to take over human bodies then I think that definitely would break the Doctor's heart. To think that the children of his own race are going to just wipe out the human race would be a heartbreaking dilemna for him.

spoiler:
..after all it's obvious to most people that the Timelords are going to be involved

The metallic spheres probably act in the same way that the pocket watches did that are used with the Chameleon Arch. The Timelord essences are probably stored in the spheres, and when the spheres open the Timelord essence is probably released as a swirly gassy entity and takes over the body of the human victim.
On 'Confidential' it showed an old clip of The Master taking over the body of an old man, so the precedent has already been set to illustrate that Timelords have this capacity. Or at least The Master did in that old clip.

so long as they have enough power to aid this, The Master used The Source in Keeper of Traken could it be the Paradox machine thats providing the power this time?

Cthulhu-4-King · 29-06-2007, 11:24

Toclafane=Conflate( save an A)

Conflate means to fuse together.
A fusion of timelord with another entity would break the doctors herats. also the evacuation idea is very interesting. could these conflates be a fusion of timelord evacuees and anyother entity?

Cthulhu-4-King · 29-06-2007, 11:31

sorry ive just seen this has already been posted! sorry

27-06-2007, 09:01	#105
racingmars Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mars, obviously Services: Sky, Wireless, Xbox 360, PS2 Posts: 452	woah woah, this is getting deep... like the idea of popualtion numbers parity though.

28-06-2007, 08:54	#111
Silent Timelord Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 844	This is huge. Has proberly been noted somewhere else though... spoiler: It says on Saxons 'official' website, that Lucy Saxons father is the Lord Cole of Tarminster. Re-arrange the letters and the most spoilerish anagram is revealed... Lord Cole of Tarminster = Toclafane or Timelords Coincidence? I think not...

27-06-2007, 08:33	#101
Colin_F Forum Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Ayrshire, Scotland Services: Sky HD, BT Broadband, XBox 360 Posts: 1,329	I must admit i like the idea of the dalek/timelord hybrid. Yes I know it would be the 3rd year on the trot that there have been daleks in the finale, but it would be a new twist. The new twist that Evolution so singulary failed to be. But of EotD was just a foreshadowing of this event that might make more sense. And of course why are the spheres so small? Because they are bigger on the inside.

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Tremas Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: West Yorkshire Services: Sky HD, 42" 1080 HDTV, PS3, XBOX360 Posts: 34	Fane in french is Fan (as in a folded cooling device) so toclafane is fake the fan

27-06-2007, 10:46	#106
sunwolf Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 115	Child evacuees in wartime have been a running theme in both Who & Torchwood. Is it not safe to assume the Timelords would have done likewise?

28-06-2007, 08:42	#108
Ainley Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: London Posts: 824	Toclafane. An anagram of 'a conflate'. A conflate is a moulding together. The remnants of the Time Lords (perhaps their memories that are supposed to go into the Matrix but had nowhere to go after Gallifrey was destroyed, or maybe even the children who went mad when they looked into the vortex, as did the Master) are contained inside the Toclafane. The sounds of drums isn't referring to 'drum' the percussion instrument, but 'drum' the container. The Toclafane are the containers. The Master has somehow managed to mould together the Time Lord remnants with, perhaps, DNA from the Doctor's hand that he has in that jar or maybe even some humans from Utopia (or, and I hope not, he's been working with Dalek Caan on the Dalek Human hydrid things featured in 'Daleks In Manhattan'). He said there were 6 billion Toclafane and he ordered them to destroy one tenth of the Earth's population leaving, coincidentally, 6 billion bodies for the Toclafane to inhabit. The Master told the Doctor that if he told him who the Toclafane really are it would break his hearts. It would indeed break his hearts if, to save the world, he had to destroy a new race of Time Lords, as he apparently did to end the Time War. He would thus be once again rendered The Last Of The Time Lords, the title of episode 13. Either that or, the same as above, but the Master has made loads of clones of the Doctor from his DNA.

28-06-2007, 08:45	#109
Cthulhu-4-King Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 15	i wonder what TOC, LA and FANE is in Norwiegein?

28-06-2007, 08:51	#110
Cthulhu-4-King Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 15	any ideas???

28-06-2007, 20:08	#119
TakeDown247 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Essex UK Services: Sky Digital, AOL Broadband Gold, Dab Radio Posts: 1,163	I don't think toclafane are timelords as The Master in the sound of drums had no idea that Gallifrey and the Timelords are all gone, the clue is what ever they are will break the doctors hearts

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Rev. Slodden Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The ambient hutch Services: Matins, Vespers, Weddings, Christenings Posts: 556 Blog Entries: 1	The Toclafane = The Once Fatal just an idea

29-06-2007, 11:24	#124
Cthulhu-4-King Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 15	Toclafane=Conflate( save an A) Conflate means to fuse together. A fusion of timelord with another entity would break the doctors herats. also the evacuation idea is very interesting. could these conflates be a fusion of timelord evacuees and anyother entity?

29-06-2007, 11:31	#125
Cthulhu-4-King Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 15	sorry ive just seen this has already been posted! sorry