[grahamrudkin]

Originally Posted by paul_m

dont worry, humax boxes are badly designed in terms of rescanning. they confuse so many people! you have to delete the channels first, before doing an automatic scan. go to edit channels, press 'select all' and then 'delete'. that should do the trick.

That does not always work with the 9200!

A reset does though!

[a516]

Originally Posted by agme28

Will new boxes work with my existing teles though?

Yes, look for the Digital Tick.

If any of your televisions does not have a SCART slot, the options are a little more limited, although TVonics do a nice a little box, which is no bigger than the palm of your hand for around £40.

[marbles333]

The TV I have here doesn't have a Scart socket, but instead has the phono & video leads, so I have a Scart-phono lead. Failing that, I would personally connect a Scart-only STB to a VCR, and watch its RF output on analogue TV

[Dj-Toonz]

Originally Posted by marbles333

There is a lot of engineering work going on between now and then, and all the frequencies of each of the multiplexes will be changing before the next retune.

I would suggest performing a full re-scan/factory re-set of your reciever to allow it to totally refresh its channel memory.

I have done a full scan, & nothing I stated that in the original post as I had to retune to pick up bbc 1,2,3 & bbc news as I wasn't picking them up before today (as i tried watching flog it on anoulouge bbc 2 & doesn't broadcast on anoulouge now) so I went into the main menu for the panny TV and used full restore of all chanels anolouge / digital & digital radio (as you can't just scan do 1 of modes) and it picked up ITV, CH 4 & 5 on anouloue & BBC 1 & 2 on digital but not ITV, 4 & 5, sky three, virgin 1 but as I said it does pick up the +1 channels for the lost main channels and I have read the other post, but nothing what I have read about losing other channels & another problem is some of the channels are low power like dave is at 40% power & signal strengh, could that be due to the switch over work going on?

[tony079546]

Thanks again to FREEVIEW and the stupid software issues. Start of the year had issue with freeview box with channels going into the 800s and not on normal slots now I dont have the new MUX on my box for BBC 1, BBC2 etc so the box is completely useless.

:uckily my LCD TV in lounge has picked up all the channels with theinbuilt freeview so I know I am getting all the channels but the ruddy messing around to get yet another freeview box for the bedroom is a joke.

Cant freeview or the people who make TVS and boxes all AGREE to one software so we dont get this ridiculuos issue time after time.

Checked the freeview website and my box is on it syaing will not work after switch over. What a CON....says Freeview on box should get Freeview!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[niverpool]

Originally Posted by ps68060

He has done a full auto retune about half a dozen times and still no BBC1 or 2.

The TV is fine and the Humax PVR is only about a year old.

I was having all sorts of problems last night with MUX A, on frequency 68, but all is fine this morning. The weather here (Merseyside) was so atrocious that the PVR was not picking up the signal from that frequency properly. My mother-in-law, who lives in Manchester, was having problems with BBC1 and BBC2. Again, it may be weather related.

I did the reset to default, then manually scanned each frequency: 56, 62, 63, 66, 68 and did not end up with lots of replicated channels in the 800's.

I am sure you will be fine if the rain/wind have died down.

[JohnON]

Originally Posted by grahamrudkin

That does not always work with the 9200!

A reset does though!

That's what I found during the September re-shuffle.

The main problem with a reset is that it goes straight into an automatic rescan so you have to be ready to stop it and ignore the warning about no channels being found if you need to do a manual scan.

Thanks for the channel number listing in another thread. Because I "do computers", half the neighbourhood assumed I also "do Freeview" - but I don't! Without your listing and acess to the internet, I'd have been as stumped as the proverbial 85 year-old granny!

Diabolical and we've got it all again next month - hope you're about with the channel numbers! If digitaluk can't get the channel numbers right this time, who's to say they'll be any better next time!

John.

[chrisw99]

Originally Posted by niverpool

I was having all sorts of problems last night with MUX A, on frequency 68, but all is fine this morning. The weather here (Merseyside) was so atrocious that the PVR was not picking up the signal from that frequency properly. My mother-in-law, who lives in Manchester, was having problems with BBC1 and BBC2. Again, it may be weather related.

I did the reset to default, then manually scanned each frequency: 56, 62, 63, 66, 68 and did not end up with lots of replicated channels in the 800's.

I am sure you will be fine if the rain/wind have died down.

Talking of bad weather, I normally get a lot of picture break up and really low signal strength/quality.

Weather was really bad last night, and the rest of the channels broke up, but now the BBC MUX is on the 10x strength I was getting 100% signal strength and 100% quality. Fantastic!

[grahamrudkin]

Originally Posted by JohnON

That's what I found during the September re-shuffle.

The main problem with a reset is that it goes straight into an automatic rescan so you have to be ready to stop it and ignore the warning about no channels being found if you need to do a manual scan.

Thanks for the channel number listing in another thread. Because I "do computers", half the neighbourhood assumed I also "do Freeview" - but I don't! Without your listing and acess to the internet, I'd have been as stumped as the proverbial 85 year-old granny!

Diabolical and we've got it all again next month - hope you're about with the channel numbers! If digitaluk can't get the channel numbers right this time, who's to say they'll be any better next time!

John.

Thats no problem John!

put these somewhere safe ready for 2nd Dec.

PSB1 = CH 62
PSB2 = CH 59
COM1 = CH 58
COM2 = CH 61
COM3 = CH 55



Also while I'm at it here are the current Ch numbers to tune to for the Lancaster transmiter.

CH 27 = PSB1
CH 22 = Mux 2
CH 25 = Mux A
CH 34 = Mux C
CH 30 = Mux D

And from Lancaster as of the 2nd Dec.

CH 27 = PSB1
CH 24 = PSB2
CH 25 = COM1
CH 28 = COM2
CH 22 = COM3

[JohnON]

Originally Posted by grahamrudkin

put these somewhere safe ready for 2nd Dec.

Thanks. Done!

John.

[mrdtv]

]Apparently even Virgin pulled the plug in their North West cable networks. I wonder what the true extent of the problem is at it will affect Granada and Channel 4 on December 2nd.

Here's the Manchester Evening News take:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....of_the_picture

[Tony Hoyle]

Well MEN says 'hundreds' which given the population of Manchester probably isn't even statistically significant. Even back in the analogue days in certain areas you could choose between welsh and english broadcasts.

The problem is FV boxes that pick one at random and use that... I'd expect that simply using the mux with the strongest signal would solve the problem for 90% of users.

[brunobrookes]

Why did Virgin Media decide to turn off regional BBC1? What difference would that have made to DSO? I presume they are talking about digital cable channels? Why are they even involved in DSO? It's complicated enough as it is.

[Paul Evans]

I remember reading a while back that Virgin use regional BBC (and ITV) channels from the local transmitters, so with the switchover in progress, it makes sense for the time being to switch to a national feed.

[ps68060]

So I gather that the Humax is a basket case and needs:

1. a hard reset and no auto tune
2. manual tune on lots of channels

Is this going to be permanant ? Will it be fixed with the December channel shuffle ?

I will pass on the info and see if dad can get it working.

Not happy with Humax but thanks for all your help.

[Rossall]

Liverpool will be the worst affected as it gets a strong signal from MYP and possibly Storeton Wales.

Even with an indoor aerial in Southport my box pauses on ch45 (Moel BBC A) before continuing without listing the channels. With an outdoor aerial you'd have the Welsh channels as your BBC1 and 2.

The likes of Digital UK and Freeview should have foreseen this and had advice on buying and using attenuators on their sites before this happened.

In some areas of Liverpool even the attenuator won't work as Moel is stronger than Winter Hill.

Unfortunately the situation is likely to get worse after December 2nd as all the Moel channels will be on higher power.

The only 100% reliable method for many people will be to scan with the aerial unplugged and plug it back in after it's gone past the Welsh channels.

[mrdtv]

Originally Posted by Rossall

Liverpool will be the worst affected as it gets a strong signal from MYP and possibly Storeton Wales.

Even with an indoor aerial in Southport my box pauses on ch45 (Moel BBC A) before continuing without listing the channels. With an outdoor aerial you'd have the Welsh channels as your BBC1 and 2.

The likes of Digital UK and Freeview should have foreseen this and had advice on buying and using attenuators on their sites before this happened.

In some areas of Liverpool even the attenuator won't work as Moel is stronger than Winter Hill.

Unfortunately the situation is likely to get worse after December 2nd as all the Moel channels will be on higher power.

The only 100% reliable method for many people will be to scan with the aerial unplugged and plug it back in after it's gone past the Welsh channels.

Manual tuning is the best and if you have access to a variable attenuator you can reduce the MyP signals to below WH and then many boxes will store them last. This problem was being discussed well before DSO started and its another slip up on their part. After December 2nd WH will be 100kW whereas MyP will be only 20kW. The DUK document discussed yesterday says Storeton Wales will pop across the Mersey but we haven't had any confirmed reception reports yet.

[dbgm123]

My Grundig GDT1000 stopped receiving BBC1 etc after the 4th Nov retune.
This box isn't on the 2k list, so will an OTA update fix it or is it obsolete?

[grahamrudkin]

Originally Posted by ps68060

So I gather that the Humax is a basket case and needs:

1. a hard reset and no auto tune
2. manual tune on lots of channels

Is this going to be permanant ? Will it be fixed with the December channel shuffle ?

I will pass on the info and see if dad can get it working.

Not happy with Humax but thanks for all your help.

I would not call the HUMAX a basket case but the software could be better! The same could also be said about most other boxes too, but hey! THAT'S PROGRESS!

Some of the integrated tuners on IDTV's I have come across are just awful to deal with!

The reason for the manual re-tune at this stage is because the HUMAX can't pickup both 2K and 8k during the auto re-tune process and only PSB1 CH62 is using 8k at this time until 2nd Dec when all multiplex's will the be converted to 8k mode.

After the 2nd of Dec you may get away without doing the defaults reset, and if the only signal receivable by you is winter hill then auto re-tune will also do the job!

However the larger issue then will be overlapping signals from multiple transmitters due to power increases depending where you live, and that I am afraid is not down to HUMAX!

[grahamrudkin]

Originally Posted by dbgm123

My Grundig GDT1000 stopped receiving BBC1 etc after the 4th Nov retune.
This box isn't on the 2k list, so will an OTA update fix it or is it obsolete?

according to the list Here the Grundig GDT1000 is affected I'm afraid.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!

[ps68060]

Thanks Graham,

Deleting all the stations and doing an auto tune has pulled up the Welsh BBC1 & 2, not perfect but at least it's something.

Location is North of Warrington so a pretty good location for WH.

Is there likely to be a Humax update to sort the issues ?

[steveu]

Originally Posted by niverpool

I did the reset to default, then manually scanned each frequency: 56, 62, 63, 66, 68 and did not end up with lots of replicated channels in the 800's.

+1

Just done this on my Dad's Hummy 9200T (describing the procedure over the phone I might add) and it worked a treat!!

Just make sure you stop the auto search before it finds anything after you've started the reset to default!!

[grahamrudkin]

Originally Posted by ps68060

Thanks Graham,

Deleting all the stations and doing an auto tune has pulled up the Welsh BBC1 & 2, not perfect but at least it's something.

Location is North of Warrington so a pretty good location for WH.

Is there likely to be a Humax update to sort the issues ?

You need to do the Manual tuning as posted earlier

1 Press [MENU]
3 select Installation from the menu and press [OK]
4 insert pin (0000 by default)
5 press [4]
6 select YES and press [OK]
7 insert pin again
8 wait for Automatic search to begin then press [OK] to Stop the Automatic search, a message will be displayed saying "No channels found" Press [OK]
9 press [2]
10 press [1] and then select 62 from the list and then select Search and press [OK] to begin seraching, when seraching ends press [OK] to Save the channels that are found

Repeat step 10 for the rest of the channels subtituting 62 with 56, then 66, then 68.

You will then need to select either 40 or 63 depending which one is the best signal, to determine this tell your dad to select 40 or 63 then to look at the Quality near the bottom of the screen, 100% is essential, once you have determined which of the two is best select search, wait for the search to complete and then save!

all done! press [EXIT]

All available Channels should now be stored in the correct Region and in the correct order!

[dbgm123]

Originally Posted by grahamrudkin

according to the list Here the Grundig GDT1000 is affected I'm afraid.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news!

But it's not a "split-nit" problem is it? - BBC hasn't just moved into the 800s its missing completely,
Isn't it to do with the 2K / 8k thing - the Grundig GDT1000 isn't on the list of non-8k compliant sets

[midnightdraven]

Heh, I think Chester is going to be worse than Liverpool, As its closer to Wales and the Welsh transmitter...
But I havent had a problem, so yay.