ITV1 HD - Still on track for 2nd Dec? - Sky+ HD

justjax · 02-11-2009, 19:42

I know ITV1 HD isn't confirmed for Sky yet, but is the channel still confirmed for Dec 2nd on Freeview/Freesat? I'm assuming that once it launches as a proper channel (as opposed to a red button thingy) that even those without the new HD epg will be able to add the channel manually?

Tony Richards · 02-11-2009, 21:39

ITV HD will launch on Freeview in December probably on a test basis as there won't be any domestic sets available capable of receiving it.
As far as reception on Freesat or Sky being any different than it is now there is no guarantee of anything yet.

hedgidj · 03-11-2009, 06:59

Does anyone know of any PC Cards that will Definately receive the terestrial HD broadcasts yet; or is it still aguessing game??

Nigel Goodwin · 03-11-2009, 09:20

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Originally Posted by hedgidj

Does anyone know of any PC Cards that will Definately receive the terestrial HD broadcasts yet; or is it still aguessing game??

I would imagine there are none of those yet either? - probably not until after set-top boxes and IDTV's.

Masteriser · 03-11-2009, 10:12

The only DVB-T2 board I am aware of the the optional extra card for the AZ Box Premium multi satellite receiver. They claim it is DVB-T2 compatible, but it is very early days and I would be suspicious.

There will be plenty of computer cards available by March (and a few of the first STBs) I would guess.

BKM · 03-11-2009, 11:02

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Originally Posted by Masteriser

There will be plenty of computer cards available by March (and a few of the first STBs) I would guess.

I would question the "plenty of" comment there! DVBT2 will be pretty much UK specific for a (long?) while - which may limit PC card availaibility!

Jarrak · 03-11-2009, 11:50

It pretty much guarantees a serious premium compared to current DVB-T or DVB-S2 cards

Masteriser · 03-11-2009, 11:51

We'll see, you could well be right. However, DVBT2 is the future (not just for the UK) and designing cards to include it will be the normal pretty shortly.

I admit there will be a pretty hefty price premium to begin with.

derek500 · 03-11-2009, 12:39

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Originally Posted by justjax

I know ITV1 HD isn't confirmed for Sky yet, but is the channel still confirmed for Dec 2nd on Freeview/Freesat?

ITV HD have never said that they're planning on changing the 'red button' ITV HD to a linear channel on Freesat.

Paddy C · 03-11-2009, 14:19

They never said they were going to close down Granada Plus either but an hour before ITV 3 launched they did just that and replaced Granada Plus with ITV 3 out of the blue with no warning or notice to seemingly anyone.

We will just have to wait and see what happens at the start of December. I hope ITV HD becomes a fully tuneable channel at least, not an interactive service with no EPG and problematic for receivers to tune in.

Nigel Goodwin · 03-11-2009, 14:42

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Originally Posted by Paddy C

We will just have to wait and see what happens at the start of December. I hope ITV HD becomes a fully tuneable channel at least, not an interactive service with no EPG and problematic for receivers to tune in.

It wishful thinking I'm afraid, as others have said there's never been any such suggestion from ITV, and there are various problems to overcome in order to do it.

Freeview HD may be 'launching' early December, but it remains to be seen what might actually be on it?.

coopermanyorks · 03-11-2009, 15:14

Just where did the Op get his dates from ?

simon194 · 03-11-2009, 16:36

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Originally Posted by coopermanyorks

Just where did the Op get his dates from ?

Maybe from here, although I would say BBC HD would be the first to start rather than ITV HD.

Macro · 03-11-2009, 17:38

I see that Channel 5 has also been given a licence by Ofcom for HD on Freeview but it will only be for primetime.

See http://www.techdigest.tv/2009/06/five_given_hd_f.html

coopermanyorks · 03-11-2009, 18:30

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Originally Posted by simon194

Maybe from here, although I would say BBC HD would be the first to start rather than ITV HD.

................I meant for Freesat not Freeview as this is the Sat section

Sure Freeview may launch in Dec,what are you going to use to watch it with ?

justjax · 03-11-2009, 18:41

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Originally Posted by coopermanyorks

Just where did the Op get his dates from ?

a couple of places, but I'd previously read about ITV's HD plans on the Media Guardian and DS. They all mentioned ITV1HD launching on Dec 2nd in the Winter Hill area (on Freeview) and the articles suggested that ITV were considering their options about launching on Freesat too so I kinda assumed that if it launches on Freeview on Dec 2nd, its likely that a possible deal may be in place to start broadcasting at the same time on Freesat and possibly even Virgin Media and Sky too.

wavejockglw · 03-11-2009, 19:25

ITV have to be the worst of all broadcaters in terms of HD.

They are in the dark ages, relying on Freesat and waiting for Freeview HD which has still to be introduced.

They have to be platform neutral to appeal and as Sky are making the most headway in terms of HD they are leaving themselves out of the running without an EPG listing on Sky.

Having viewed the few programmes available on ITV HD it's an embarassment as the UK's 2nd biggest mainstream TV broadcaster.

No wonder ITV Plc is going down the pan.

coopermanyorks · 03-11-2009, 20:11

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Originally Posted by justjax

a couple of places, but I'd previously read about ITV's HD plans on the Media Guardian and DS. They all mentioned ITV1HD launching on Dec 2nd in the Winter Hill area (on Freeview) and the articles suggested that ITV were considering their options about launching on Freesat too so I kinda assumed that if it launches on Freeview on Dec 2nd, its likely that a possible deal may be in place to start broadcasting at the same time on Freesat and possibly even Virgin Media and Sky too.

So possibly 1+1 = 5

John Lynch · 03-11-2009, 20:43

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Originally Posted by wavejockglw

ITV have to be the worst of all broadcaters in terms of HD.

They are in the dark ages, relying on Freesat and waiting for Freeview HD which has still to be introduced.

They have to be platform neutral to appeal and as Sky are making the most headway in terms of HD they are leaving themselves out of the running without an EPG listing on Sky.

Having viewed the few programmes available on ITV HD it's an embarassment as the UK's 2nd biggest mainstream TV broadcaster.

No wonder ITV Plc is going down the pan.

I was watching ITVHD for the first time at the weekend through my new EPG on Sky - One of the Star Wars episodes was on at the time (2!) Was not impressed with the quality at all. Please tell me it gets better than this !!!

srhill · 03-11-2009, 21:01

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Originally Posted by John Lynch

I was watching ITVHD for the first time at the weekend through my new EPG on Sky - One of the Star Wars episodes was on at the time (2!) Was not impressed with the quality at all. Please tell me it gets better than this !!!

which:-

a) star wars

b) HD tv

3) itvHD

justjax · 03-11-2009, 21:14

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Originally Posted by coopermanyorks

So possibly 1+1 = 5

Not quite, I recalled some of the original articles mentioning freesat and when I was about to post this thread I quickly googled to confirm the 2nd Dec date and found the wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITV_HD in the process. Its states "ITV HD will come to Freeview HD on 2 December 2009 and Freesat". Hence my post. Either way, I don't think its such a far fetched scenerio. When new channels are annouced, they often mention the initial carriage deal (e.g freeview) but then often on or closer to launch the channels are confirmed to be available on other platforms too.

Tony Hoyle · 03-11-2009, 21:26

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Originally Posted by justjax

a couple of places, but I'd previously read about ITV's HD plans on the Media Guardian and DS. They all mentioned ITV1HD launching on Dec 2nd in the Winter Hill area (on Freeview) and the articles suggested that ITV were considering their options about launching on Freesat too so I kinda assumed that if it launches on Freeview on Dec 2nd, its likely that a possible deal may be in place to start broadcasting at the same time on Freesat and possibly even Virgin Media and Sky too.

That's *extremely* unlikely. That's the exact day of stage 2 of DSO, and as no boxes exist that can even pick it up it wouldn't make sense to launch then - commercial channels need to sell advertising to survive. Who would they be advertising to?

The channel space becomes available then, and may even be allocated and labeled 'ITVHD'.. but running a full time channel cost a lot of money and would be hard to justify for 0 viewers.

coopermanyorks · 03-11-2009, 22:16

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Originally Posted by Wiki

ITV HD will come to Freeview HD on 2 December 2009 and Freesatat a later date,to coincide with ITV HD becoming ITV1 HD. [5] Up to half of ITV1's peak-time schedule will be simulcast in 'native HD' by 2010, increasing to 70 per cent by 2014.

Wiki say " Freesat at a later date " ?

justjax · 04-11-2009, 19:13

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Originally Posted by coopermanyorks

Wiki say " Freesat at a later date " ?

This is indeed what it says today, however, if you check the ITV HD wikipage 'history'' tab, you'll see that someone edited the page yesterday altering the original text which said "änd freesat"' to "and Freesat at a later date".

coopermanyorks · 05-11-2009, 14:10

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Originally Posted by justjax

This is indeed what it says today, however, if you check the ITV HD wikipage 'history'' tab, you'll see that someone edited the page yesterday altering the original text which said "änd freesat"' to "and Freesat at a later date".

Which kinda shoots down Wiki as source of reliable information,you after now ask now, which is/was correct the original info or the updated info

We need a more reliable source it seems

02-11-2009, 19:42	#1
justjax Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 59	ITV1 HD - Still on track for 2nd Dec? I know ITV1 HD isn't confirmed for Sky yet, but is the channel still confirmed for Dec 2nd on Freeview/Freesat? I'm assuming that once it launches as a proper channel (as opposed to a red button thingy) that even those without the new HD epg will be able to add the channel manually?

02-11-2009, 21:39	#2
Tony Richards Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Sidcup, Kent Services: Sky+ HD, DTT, Astra 19.2 Digital Posts: 3,435	ITV HD will launch on Freeview in December probably on a test basis as there won't be any domestic sets available capable of receiving it. As far as reception on Freesat or Sky being any different than it is now there is no guarantee of anything yet.

03-11-2009, 06:59	#3
hedgidj Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Central Lancashire Services: Tosh 32AV555DB, Sky 6mix+HD, Freesat+, Freeview+, O2 14Mb BB Posts: 1,407	Does anyone know of any PC Cards that will Definately receive the terestrial HD broadcasts yet; or is it still aguessing game??

03-11-2009, 10:12	#5
Masteriser Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bromley, Kent Services: Sky+ HD (1Tb), FreeView & Motorised Digital & Analogue Satellite Posts: 1,209	The only DVB-T2 board I am aware of the the optional extra card for the AZ Box Premium multi satellite receiver. They claim it is DVB-T2 compatible, but it is very early days and I would be suspicious. There will be plenty of computer cards available by March (and a few of the first STBs) I would guess.

03-11-2009, 11:50	#7
Jarrak Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ilkeston Services: SKY+ HD, Freesat via PC, Philips DTR 1500 & Humax 9200 Freeview, SKY Max Posts: 17,440	It pretty much guarantees a serious premium compared to current DVB-T or DVB-S2 cards

03-11-2009, 11:51	#8
Masteriser Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Bromley, Kent Services: Sky+ HD (1Tb), FreeView & Motorised Digital & Analogue Satellite Posts: 1,209	We'll see, you could well be right. However, DVBT2 is the future (not just for the UK) and designing cards to include it will be the normal pretty shortly. I admit there will be a pretty hefty price premium to begin with.

03-11-2009, 14:19	#10
Paddy C Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Gender: Male Posts: 7,181	They never said they were going to close down Granada Plus either but an hour before ITV 3 launched they did just that and replaced Granada Plus with ITV 3 out of the blue with no warning or notice to seemingly anyone. We will just have to wait and see what happens at the start of December. I hope ITV HD becomes a fully tuneable channel at least, not an interactive service with no EPG and problematic for receivers to tune in.

03-11-2009, 15:14	#12
coopermanyorks Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Gender: Male Location: Pontefract -In Gods Own County Services: Pace HD & Pvr3's in Multiroom-Sky 4 mix & Sports - BE BB Posts: 16,850 Blog Entries: 1	Just where did the Op get his dates from ?

03-11-2009, 17:38	#14
Macro Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Essex Posts: 51	I see that Channel 5 has also been given a licence by Ofcom for HD on Freeview but it will only be for primetime. See http://www.techdigest.tv/2009/06/five_given_hd_f.html

03-11-2009, 19:25	#17
wavejockglw Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Glasgow/Scotland Services: TalkTalk Broadband, Sky HD, Freeview, DAB, Vodafone Posts: 4,656	ITV have to be the worst of all broadcaters in terms of HD. They are in the dark ages, relying on Freesat and waiting for Freeview HD which has still to be introduced. They have to be platform neutral to appeal and as Sky are making the most headway in terms of HD they are leaving themselves out of the running without an EPG listing on Sky. Having viewed the few programmes available on ITV HD it's an embarassment as the UK's 2nd biggest mainstream TV broadcaster. No wonder ITV Plc is going down the pan.