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[swnymor1963]

Originally Posted by yenston

Read my other post. Everything you have just said you have been told. You haven't witnessed any of it. I just don't believe everything I'm told.

Well..ok....the Earth is not flat.....I did read your other posts..I`v read the entire thread.The broadcasters were heavily fined a few years ago.They won`t be rigging any votes and why would they.The head honcho at the BBC could`t give a toss who won so why would they even want to fix a result....One final point;Punters bet on the results of shows like strictly/BB/x-factor etc and the consequences for a broadcaster of fixing a vote would be disastrous(and trust me someone always spills the beans....Look what happened when a few senior members of the Renault F1 team fixed a race last year)....Just google betting scandals and see what happened to the perpetrators(cricket/football).....Reputations destroyed and in a few cases prison sentences.It`s just not worth it....especially for a Fluffy Saturday night TV show were the only prize is the satisfaction of knowing that you`v won and a cheap looking glitter ball.

[BuddyBontheNet]

Originally Posted by Apricot

You're probably right that it's impossible for judgely collusion but it's just a weird sensation watching something unfold like last night.

Earlier in the day a couple of posters (me included) said we expected far fewer tied scores because of the skewed voting sysem and then what do we get - no ties at all? Talk about Craig being delusional - last night I felt like Mystic Meg

I didn't actually notice there were no ties this week until it was pointed out on here tbh. A couple of things I did notice about this week was that the judges were much closer in their scores for each couple - there were no big differences like Len compensating for Craig RH's low scores. I'm not saying the judges aren't above fiddling with the scores, but it would take the form of an extra point for a couple they want to save - i.e. it is done on an individual basis and could be explained away!



I do agree with soulmate61 that couples don't want to be dancing Latin if they are in danger - ballroom is much safer!

[Muinimula]

Originally Posted by JethroUK

Craig (as rubbish as he is) probably got the highest public vote tonight.

Evidence?

Remember, he'd been in the dance-off twice before, and had only avoided the dance-off once his "I just want to get to Blackpool" pleading started. As he'd reached Blackpool, I'd imagine his public votes would have dropped...

Plus, the week after a "shock" result, the public often give us a "sensible" result. I would suggest that's what happened this week, rather than the fix theory.

[bryemycaz]

Originally Posted by craftwerc

Nah. The public saw what happened last week with that farcical dance-off situation, so this week voted accordingly.

I agree. Everyone Ive spoke too also said he was very arrogant. It was his worse dance, (just standing there while Flavia danced around him) but I think his attitude when speaking to tess was of a sulky child when the scores were announced. I half expected him to do (A Brenden) and walk off the screen.

Question are the Audiance allowed to vote. If not thats probably why he didnt get though as the whole of Blackpool was there to see him

[tonydancer]

How I would love to be a fly on the wall as Flavia sums up her experience of dancing with Craig to her female pro dancer friends.

Just speculating whether this kind of thing might come up.

"Most of the times we were on the ITT sofa, I might as well not have been there."

"I couldn't get off that floor fast enough".

"D'you think I laughed too much when he said he thought it went okay?"

"Thank God that's over, except for the final of course. Oh well, it's only one day's training plus two minutes."

"The tour? Only with Matt, cara, only with Matt."

"God I wish I had Alesha's nerve!"

[memmh]

Originally Posted by yenston

Read my other post. Everything you have just said you have been told. You haven't witnessed any of it. I just don't believe everything I'm told.

There's a difference between not believing everything and not believing anything that you yourself haven't personally witnessed.

Originally Posted by Muinimula

Remember, he'd been in the dance-off twice before, and had only avoided the dance-off once his "I just want to get to Blackpool" pleading started. As he'd reached Blackpool, I'd imagine his public votes would have dropped...

Plus, the week after a "shock" result, the public often give us a "sensible" result. I would suggest that's what happened this week, rather than the fix theory.

Exactly. It's far more probable that Craig didn't get the votes for both of those very realistic and likely reasons than the BBC put the fix in.

[Jan2555*GG*]

It did cross my mind that Flavia decided not to do the tour just INCASE she had to dance with Craig again

[BuddyBontheNet]

Originally Posted by Jan2555*GG*

It did cross my mind that Flavia decided not to do the tour just INCASE she had to dance with Craig again

Good point.

[DrJon]

Originally Posted by JethroUK

Auntie Beeb definitely "fixed" it tonight

Craig (as rubbish as he is) probably got the highest public vote tonight - if he wasn't in the top 3 i'll sell my house and live off peanuts

Beeb obviously couldn't stand the controversy and decided to arbitrarily dump Craig out

Always wondered why they dont disclose the way the public vote - there's no plausible explaination other than making it possible to rig the vote - as they did tonight

And the planet you're on is called what exactly?

[kaycee]

Originally Posted by Mr Giggles

I don't think that can be the case, would the BBC allow Craig to stay in the show while two good dancers battle it out in the dance off like last week.

The only "Fixing" going is down to the GBP,

I was being ironic - or sarcastic probably; I didn't mean I thought bbc had "fixed" anything to keep Craig in.

[luckylady]

Originally Posted by JethroUK

Auntie Beeb definitely "fixed" it tonight

Craig (as rubbish as he is) probably got the highest public vote tonight - if he wasn't in the top 3 i'll sell my house and live off peanuts

Beeb obviously couldn't stand the controversy and decided to arbitrarily dump Craig out

Always wondered why they dont disclose the way the public vote - there's no plausible explaination other than making it possible to rig the vote - as they did tonight

What makes you think that?? If he was so rubbish the public wouldn't vote for him. They got him to Blackpool - job done - time to get off the bus Craig!

[JethroUK]

Originally Posted by luckylady

If he was so rubbish the public wouldn't vote for him.

What makes you think that??

Look at John Seargeant.

[Servalan]

Originally Posted by JethroUK

What makes you think that??

Look at John Seargeant.

Round and round in circles ...

Sorry to burst your bubble, but comparisons with JS are massively wide of the mark.

JS, whether you liked him or not, brought his personality to the dancefloor. Craig didn't.

JS won plaudits for duelling with the judges. Craig did not.

JS had a much bigger personality than Craig.

Craig plainly had enough support to carry him through when there were tied places above him on the leader board and he wasn't scoring one point. However, when all the couples had different scores and he was left with one point, the public vote wasn't sufficiently strong to keep him in the competition - even after he'd been savaged by all four judges.

You might claim, if you wanted, that the producers knew Craig could not survive with only one point from the judges and so briefed them to ensure there were no tied positions on the leader board. This would be nigh impossible for you to prove, however ... so I'd just accept what Flavia did: that Craig had been fortunate to make it to Blackpool and his luck ran out on Saturday.

[tonydancer]

Originally Posted by Servalan

You might claim, if you wanted, that the producers knew Craig could not survive with only one point from the judges and so briefed them to ensure there were no tied positions on the leader board. This would be nigh impossible for you to prove, however ... so I'd just accept what Flavia did: that Craig had been fortunate to make it to Blackpool and his luck ran out on Saturday.

So, was the judges' scoring random last weekend, or was it a conspiracy?
If it's the latter, that means the judges have woken up to the power that collaboration gives them. The rest of the series could be like a chess match, with the judges aiming at a Jade/Ali/Ricky final, while the public try to get Chris in.

[Servalan]

Originally Posted by tonydancer

So, was the judges' scoring random last weekend, or was it a conspiracy?

You might ask that. I couldn't possibly comment.

But I can see where you are coming from ...

[mossy2103]

Originally Posted by tonydancer

So, was the judges' scoring random last weekend, or was it a conspiracy.

It was random, because Craig's dancing was BAD, and the worst of all of the couples that week. Therefore, he got the lowest scores (quite rightly so). And as has been pointed out previously, the fewer the number of couples, the less chance of a tie (not that it mattered that much).

[BuddyBontheNet]

During the last six series, I'd say the judges do not conspire when it comes to scoring any celeb.

However, I do think each judge (perhaps with the exception of Craig), has on occasion decided on their own to mark a particular celeb up or down to assist their own personal favourite.

[willowfan]

Originally Posted by yenston

Do we actually see the auditors? Do they publish the results, before or after the series has ended? Answer to both is no. Just because they tell you something doesn't mean its true.

The great thing about conspiracy theories is that they are impossible to argue against or disprove because any counter arguement means you've obviously been hoodwinked by "them"

[mossy2103]

Originally Posted by willowfan

The great thing about conspiracy theories is that they are impossible to argue against or disprove because any counter arguement means you've obviously been hoodwinked by "them"

And those counter-arguments, however reasonable, are used by the conspiracy theorists to bolster their own theories.

[Apricot]

Originally Posted by tonydancer

So, was the judges' scoring random last weekend, or was it a conspiracy?
.

Week before last's range of scores:
39, 35, 33, 33, 32, 30, 30, 29, 24, 24
= 3 ties & two of the best dancers in dance off

This last week's range of scores:
40, 35, 34, 33, 31, 30, 28, 25, 17 = no ties & two of the weakest dancers in the dance off

Conspiracy or coincidence - who knows?

It will be interesting to see what happens this Saturday but, as has been pointed out, as the number of couples gets fewer, so the ties get diminish.

[mossy2103]

Originally Posted by Apricot

This last week's range of scores:
40, 35, 34, 33, 31, 30, 28, 25, 17 = no ties & two of the weakest dancers in the dance off

Obviously, the public has reached the point in the competition where it comes to its senses and starts to vote more for the talent as opposed to the no-hoper underdog. For it was the public NOT voting for Crag that landed him in the danceoff

[sey77]

Originally Posted by JethroUK

Auntie Beeb definitely "fixed" it tonight

Craig (as rubbish as he is) probably got the highest public vote tonight - if he wasn't in the top 3 i'll sell my house and live off peanuts

Beeb obviously couldn't stand the controversy and decided to arbitrarily dump Craig out

Always wondered why they dont disclose the way the public vote - there's no plausible explaination other than making it possible to rig the vote - as they did tonight

I disagree entirely. The only thing which may have been a fix was him getting there in the first place. He should have been out the first time he was in the dance off.

[JethroUK]

Originally Posted by sey77

I disagree entirely. The only thing which may have been a fix was him getting there in the first place. He should have been out the first time he was in the dance off.

Thats based upon the assumption that dancing has anything to do with strictly


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