[AlanO]

Originally Posted by Jung

Hi Alan.
I have never had aproblem with reliability. I have enough Grundig products to open a museum. A 18 year old VHS that still works, untill a couple of months ago it was in use nearly every day. I would say, that was reliable.
Not all Jap stuff is reliable My mate purchased a Pana TV, which was back for repair 3 times in the first 6 months. He says that he would not buy another one. I think its the luck of the draw. Some people never have problems with electronics, and for other people every thing just goes wrong. I have know people that whatever brand name they buy, they have problems with the product.
Grundig did waste a lot of money being involved in the developement of DAB radio. (what were they thinking of) The far east companies did not invest in DAB radio, so could keep thier prices low.

Sorry, but the development of DAB is irrelevant in the failure of Grundig. Panasonic and Sony have both developed DAB receivers and neither of these two have gone under as a result of it.

The simple fact is by the late 1980s customers weren't choosing Grundig over Panasonic, Sony, Toshiba or Sharp. By every available measure both Panasonic and Sony are most reliable and have been for a number of years.

By the late 80's Grundig's financial problems were already known - as my earlier post points out:

"In 1972, Grundig GmbH became Grundig AG.After this Philips began to gradually accumulate shares in the company over the course of many years until assuming complete control in 1993. Philips resold it to a Bavarian consortium in 1998 due to unsatisfactory performance."

Basically Philips felt it couldn't sustain Grundig any further.

Grundig of the 80s and 90s no longer exists - as others have tried to point out to you, the remains after bankruptcy were bought by Beko.

In fact, Beko are now using the Grundig name for it's listing on the Turkish stock exchange - per this excerpt from Reuters: "Grundig, formerly Beko Elektronik." and this from Wikipedia:

"Grundig AG is a German manufacturer of consumer electronics for home entertainment under Turkish control. Established in 1945 in Nuremberg, Germany by Max Grundig the company changed hands several times before becoming part of the Turkish Koç Holding group. In 2007, after buying control of the Grundig brand, Koc renamed its Beko Elektronik white goods and consumer electronics division Grundig Elektronik A.Ş.[1], which has decided to merge with Arçelik A.Ş. as declared on February 27, 2009[2]."

So Grundig exists, but only as a renaming of Beko.

[Jung]

Hi Alan
Thanks for your explanation of Grundig I did know most of this, As a regular visitor to Germany, and Nürnberg, I was fully aware that Grundig were owned by Beko
I was only pointing out that high end Grundig named products were still designed in Nürnberg, and only used on the products advertised on www.grundig.de Most of the recent products that I have purchased are made in China
Do you know who the subcontractor is? The products are made to a very high quality, to be honest they are as good as the European made Grundig from the good old days.
As regular visitor to Grundig in Rugby around the early 1990s I was informed that Grundig were actualy involved in the developement of the DAB radio system, along with Blaupunkt The people at the Grundig stand at IFA Berlin in September did tell me that they have their own production, and quality control at Beko. So that detail must be correct.
I look forward to your reply.

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Jung

Hi NIgel.
My info regarding sony and Grundig, comes from the Reuters website. and from www. sonyinsider.com
(Grundig Elektronic to make Sony Bravia Televisions)
I would have thought that reuters info was correct as they are no1 in the world for news, also Sony insider should know what is happening. in the world of Sony.
Do you know for shure that the above is not true?

It 'might' be true for Sony USA?, as you quote USA websites, it's not true for Sony Europe - and last time I looked both we, and this website, are in Europe

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Jung

Hi Alan
Thanks for your explanation of Grundig I did know most of this, As a regular visitor to Germany, and Nürnberg, I was fully aware that Grundig were owned by Beko
I was only pointing out that high end Grundig named products were still designed in Nürnberg, and only used on the products advertised on www.grundig.de Most of the recent products that I have purchased are made in China
Do you know who the subcontractor is? The products are made to a very high quality, to be honest they are as good as the European made Grundig from the good old days.
As regular visitor to Grundig in Rugby around the early 1990s I was informed that Grundig were actualy involved in the developement of the DAB radio system, along with Blaupunkt The people at the Grundig stand at IFA Berlin in September did tell me that they have their own production, and quality control at Beko. So that detail must be correct.

I suspect they were telling you complete rubbish - but they were hardly going to tell you that Grundig is just a badge on cheap Beko tat.

If you're happy, that's all that matters, but Grundig doesn't exist any more - sad as that is (we were one of the largest Grundig dealers in the UK).

[Jung]

Hi Nigel
Thanks for the reply, I have just looked in Google and there are a number uk sites, that state Sony uk are having their Bravia televisions made in Turkey, Maybe someone from Sony or Beko can confirm this, or correct this info. Yes I am very happy with my Grundig Fine Arts TV
even if its Made in Turkey (I also have a nice car made in Mexico 100% reliable) My brother is a total Panasonic fan, and has just purchased a new tv with a built in HD Sat tuner
He came round to my house to look at the picture on my Grundig, and admitted that the picture on the HD channels was just as good as his. He did say that it wasnt any better
My picture was from Technisat HD S2 sat receiver.
Channels tested BBC HD, LUX HD, ARTE HD, ASTRAHD and ZDF HD connection was with a £5.00 HDMI lead from Lidl
The picture on the new Grundig Fine Arts tv with led backlight is one of the best pictures I have seen on a lcd
I would say its as good as a plasma. The TV can also record to a memory stick or hard drive including HD I will be able to fit this tv to my wall without bothering with external pvr boxes and cables. It will look neat and tidy, best of all it will keep my wife happy. Sorry the tv I am talking about is the new one from the IFA in Berlin, its still not available, the price will be around 1600.00 Euro The one that my brother looked at is my existing tv which is around 2 years old. To be honest its been 100% reliable, a couple of visitors to my house were so impressed with the picture quality they decided to go and buy their own Grundig tv Yes I am happy with my television and audio products
I also subscribe to German audio visual magazines, and some of the Grundig TVs are award winning and get a higher score that the big brand names. having said that some of the cheaper ones are only average.
Look forward to you reply, I would be most interested to hear about your dealership and the products that you sold.
I see that the Satellit 700 sells for more money now on ebay than it cost when it was new 15 years ago.
I have 2 Satellit 500 radios, and one satellit 3600 professional
All radios are as new. I still have the boxes
Did you sell any Grundig 250 Arcive vhs video recorders?
My one is still working, this is the last Made in Germany Grundig in my collection. I do have a selection of Made in Portugal products after this date

[antenna1]

There ain't no grundig any more beko use the name and alba/havard use it for there freeview / freesat receivers

Originally Posted by Jung

Hi Nigel
Thanks for the reply, I have just looked in Google and there are a number uk sites, that state Sony uk are having their Bravia televisions made in Turkey, Maybe someone from Sony or Beko can confirm this, or correct this info. Yes I am very happy with my Grundig Fine Arts TV
even if its Made in Turkey (I also have a nice car made in Mexico 100% reliable) My brother is a total Panasonic fan, and has just purchased a new tv with a built in HD Sat tuner
He came round to my house to look at the picture on my Grundig, and admitted that the picture on the HD channels was just as good as his. He did say that it wasnt any better
My picture was from Technisat HD S2 sat receiver.
Channels tested BBC HD, LUX HD, ARTE HD, ASTRAHD and ZDF HD connection was with a £5.00 HDMI lead from Lidl
The picture on the new Grundig Fine Arts tv with led backlight is one of the best pictures I have seen on a lcd
I would say its as good as a plasma. The TV can also record to a memory stick or hard drive including HD I will be able to fit this tv to my wall without bothering with external pvr boxes and cables. It will look neat and tidy, best of all it will keep my wife happy. Sorry the tv I am talking about is the new one from the IFA in Berlin, its still not available, the price will be around 1600.00 Euro The one that my brother looked at is my existing tv which is around 2 years old. To be honest its been 100% reliable, a couple of visitors to my house were so impressed with the picture quality they decided to go and buy their own Grundig tv Yes I am happy with my television and audio products
I also subscribe to German audio visual magazines, and some of the Grundig TVs are award winning and get a higher score that the big brand names. having said that some of the cheaper ones are only average.
Look forward to you reply, I would be most interested to hear about your dealership and the products that you sold.
I see that the Satellit 700 sells for more money now on ebay than it cost when it was new 15 years ago.
I have 2 Satellit 500 radios, and one satellit 3600 professional
All radios are as new. I still have the boxes
Did you sell any Grundig 250 Arcive vhs video recorders?
My one is still working, this is the last Made in Germany Grundig in my collection. I do have a selection of Made in Portugal products after this date

[Justin Aerial]

Originally Posted by Jung

Hi Mike.
Yes I agree with you 100% on that. Its a throw away world we live in. I tend to buy more expesive products and just keep them. I have some Grundig and ITT Schaub Lorenz products from the 1970s that still work today
(I still have the original boxes, invoices, and sales brochures.)
They did cost a lot of money back then. I have a Grundig Video that cost around £600.00 in the early 1980s. Considering that house prices are up about 8 to 10 times since then. Thats the same as £5000.00 in todays money
Even the £1000.00 Dreambox is cheap in comparison
What do you think?

With electronics it`s not always that simple though , is it ?
I`ve got a B&O MX5000 TV (1988 ? ) which still works fine, though I`ve had to mend it twice, but it`s really just a Ferguson/Thomson ICC5 !

[Mike_1101]

I still have a small Grundig colour portable TV P37-342/900. I bought it from someone years ago and it receives several different TV systems. That will of course be history soon.

It works well and gives a good picture although it has had very little use over the years.

[Nigel Goodwin]

Originally Posted by Mike_1101

I still have a small Grundig colour portable TV P37-342/900.

That's a real Grundig, if you look near the model number it will have a chassis number - CUCxxxx. This stands for Compact Universal Chassis - nice TV's, sad to see the end of Grundig

For those who can remember that far back?, the IRA murdered the German guy who ran Grundig Ireland, Grundig closed up their Irish division because of this, and loaded all the stock in containers for shipping back to Germany.

Instead of the containers going to Germany we bought the entire lot - at VERY, VERY good prices We didn't half shift some Grundig product for a few months. There was some total rubbish, and that got skipped, but most was brand new boxed stock fresh from the factory.

[frasera]

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Aiwa were mostly owned by Sony for many years (something like 75%), eventually with Aiwa struggling more and more, Sony took 100% control - and it's now a division of Sony.

If you ring Sony, the announcement says "welcome to the Sony and Aiwa helpline".

I've not seen any badged Aiwa products around though, so I don't know what they are doing with it?.

yea mostly aiwa is redundant now. there was a time when sony was so dominant they could reserve themselves to being the premium segment and keep aiwa as value goods. but apple kicked them in the face pretty hard ..and it was deserved. sony pissed away a decades head start on digital portable audio. they had all the bits for the ipod, but they gimped the goodness out of it and got slaughtered. idiots. and yes, aiwa is pretty much disappeared here in the us as well.

always just wiki a corporation if you think they are nothing more than a name. i've noticed dead companies like polaroid licensing their name for use on generic camera products and stuff like that as well. its pretty common. just slap that old name on some pos and it increases its value above no name brand a smidgen.