[bridgerton]

I don't know if this question has already been asked - sorry if it has. It occurs to me that many of Danyl's detractors have a problem with what they perceive as arrogance and cockiness in his personality. I think big performers and confidence are more widely applauded in America. So would Danyl be more successful if he was on American Idol in the U.S.?

[rivercity_rules]

He wouldn't get past the producers on American Idol (Like I believe he couldn't manage on X Factor the first few years he auditioned) never mind be popular.

He isn't good enough, not even close.

[dwiseman]

Yes I agree with you OP , very possibly .. though i still dont see him as being either cocky or arrogant, in fact the opposite if anything!

[SlimSim]

Originally Posted by rivercity_rules

He wouldn't get past the producers on American Idol (Like I believe he couldn't manage on X Factor the first few years he auditioned) never mind be popular.

He isn't good enough, not even close.

He would most likely get onto the live show, I have seen worse on AI

[SlimSim]

Originally Posted by bridgerton

I don't know if this question has already been asked - sorry if it has. It occurs to me that many of Danyl's detractors have a problem with what they perceive as arrogance and cockiness in his personality. I think big performers and confidence are more widely applauded in America. So would Danyl be more successful if he was on American Idol in the U.S.?

Yes because AI is still viewed as a singing contest and not the personality reality show that the x factor has become

[Slick Nick]

I think so - they love a good ethnic warbler.

[lisa1972]

hey we are not all like that you know, some of us can have a civil discussion

[Since Yesterday]

Originally Posted by bridgerton

So would Danyl be more successful if he was on American Idol in the U.S.?

No, because he's simply not good enough. There's plenty of US feedback from his audition to be found online, and he's not viewed very favourably.

[sHAYneWARD]

Originally Posted by bridgerton

I don't know if this question has already been asked - sorry if it has. It occurs to me that many of Danyl's detractors have a problem with what they perceive as arrogance and cockiness in his personality. I think big performers and confidence are more widely applauded in America. So would Danyl be more successful if he was on American Idol in the U.S.?

Danyl's audition was seen in the States due to Simon's comment and standing ovation (a rarity only seen twice on AI so they thought it was something special before they saw it) and Simon getting him onto the Today Show, all as part of his bid to promote XF in the States.

However the reaction was so negative (and not just indifferent but vociferously negative) that other planned appearances by Danyl, e.g. Oprah, were cancelled by the producers of the shows concerned.

Basically, the American public could not just not see what the fuss was about the audition (they even compared it to performances on AI that Simon had ridiculed) but didn't take to Danyl during the interview.

I don't think the UK public or the public anywhere have a problem with contestants being hyped if they feel it is justified. Danyl is not the first contestant Simon has hyped here or in America. Danyl is not the first contestant to demonstrate confidence on stage. The only problem is that with Danyl the confidence is seen as misplaced by many, as is Simon's praise.

The Americans are no different when it comes to that. Sanjaya Malakar had all the stage confidence in the world but a voice that made John & Edward sound like two thirds of the Three Tenors. Danny Gokey wasn't lacking in confidence but fell short vocally on a few weeks, not least Rock week, and on a few tour shows. Kellie Pickler was very entertaining, and has made a good Country career for herself, but she was never going to win on vocals ........... Carrie Underwood she is not.

Speaking of Carrie Underwood, the most hyped by Simon contestant of all time (kicking Leona and Adam into touch in the hype stakes) did it do her chances any harm? Not at all.

On another thread on this subject (I don't know how far down the pages it has gone now) some suggested that Adam Lambert wouldn't have done as well here as he did on AI. That's nonsense. Adam had the biggest following here in the UK and internationally that any AI contestant had had while still in the show. The vast majority of people in the UK who watch AI had no problem with his (perceived) confidence because they appreciated that he is in a different league to anything seen before or since. He may not be to everybody's taste (who is?) but it's difficult to argue credibly that he is not an exceptional singer and performer. The same cannot be said for Danyl because his singing is inconsistent and erratic (he has nowhere near the range or power that Adam has but there is nothing he can do about that) and his performances are stilted and incoherent or he just stands there and doesn't have the natural stage presence to simply do that.

The issue is not the confidence but whether enough people think it is justified. Unfortunately that is not the case with Danyl (that said, I still think he is in with a chance).

[rivercity_rules]

Originally Posted by SlimSim

He would most likely get onto the live show, I have seen worse on AI

There are plenty that do similar to what he does, but better than don't make the live shows.

He has nothing that would warrant AI even putting him on screen.

[stargirl1]

When you look at what is dominating the charts at the moment in the US - BEP, Jay Sean, Britney etc, it's hard to see where Danyl would fit in.

TBH I struggle to see how they could market Danyl as a 'relevant' act in the UK. He may have a good voice but he is not contemporary.

[SlimSim]

Originally Posted by rivercity_rules

There are plenty that do similar to what he does, but better than don't make the live shows.

He has nothing that would warrant AI even putting him on screen.

And some that I have seen, far worse too, have you actually seen every AI because I have which is why I know what I am talking about

[SlimSim]

Originally Posted by stargirl1

When you look at what is dominating the charts at the moment in the US - BEP, Jay Sean, Britney etc, it's hard to see where Danyl would fit in.

TBH I struggle to see how they could market Danyl as a 'relevant' act in the UK. He may have a good voice but he is not contemporary.

American charts actually welcome diversity and variety, not everyone has to sound the same, unlike in the UK

[rivercity_rules]

Originally Posted by SlimSim

And some that I have seen, far worse too, have you actually seen every AI because I have which is why I know what I am talking about

Erm, yes, since Season 1.

There have been numerous acts, the style that Danyl is, much better than him in the final stages.

Perhaps acts that fit different styles haven't been as good as Danyl, but I can't see a thing about Danyl that would differentiate him from other acts that would make the Idol execs want to give any airtime to him.

The fact it took him years to convince the X Factor execs to give him a shot kinda proves that point. It took a change in audition style and hiding behind a backing track to get him past stage 1.

[sHAYneWARD]

Originally Posted by feisty

Only today I read postings on here regarding Daniel when he "came out"....

What's the problem with that? His sexuality is inapplicable as far as I'm concerned. I just wish he hadn't sugar-coated it with bisexuality because there is too much evidence that he is homosexual that some people are either waiting for him to eliminated or win (either way for his run to end) to speak out about. Danyl and his advisors would do well to speak the truth now or forever hold their peace.

[ablahh]

NO! please keep him.... he would never make it here.....

he butchers every. single. song.

and now that he's trying to be likable by giving a wide smile, he just look like a monkey.

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Simon's acts, in the US, would get laughed at: "Who do these people think they are? One guy keeps screaming at me, and what's up with the afro guy who thinks he's a rock god??!!" And Olly, doing his corny dance routine and ripping his clothes like he's Elvis .... I'm sure we'll just love that here in the U.S... Move over Jay-Z - It's the OVER 25s!! not.

the only ones who have any shot of success:
- john and edward --- entertaining, good fun ... maybe they could have their own TV show! Though it could get old after a while.
- joe --- beautiful voice, definitely could have a radio hit, though it remains to see how he'd be marketed. but his success depends on whether he can find the confidence in the next few weeks to emerge as a real star who controls his performance.
- lucie and lloyd--- they could 100% make it on the disney channel, nowhere else though.
- stacey --- if she goes the duffy/adele route, i can't see why she couldn't also have a similar hit... at the very least, though, i'm sure she'll always be beloved in the UK, even if the singing career doesn't go far

[bridgerton]

Originally Posted by ablahh

NO! please keep him.... he would never make it here.....

he butchers every. single. song.

and now that he's trying to be likable by giving a wide smile, he just look like a monkey.

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Simon's acts, in the US, would get laughed at: "Who do these people think they are? One guy keeps screaming at me, and what's up with the afro guy who thinks he's a rock god??!!" And Olly, doing his corny dance routine and ripping his clothes like he's Elvis .... I'm sure we'll just love that here in the U.S... Move over Jay-Z - It's the OVER 25s!! not.

the only ones who have any shot of success:
- john and edward --- entertaining, good fun ... maybe they could have their own TV show! Though it could get old after a while.
- joe --- beautiful voice, definitely could have a radio hit, though it remains to see how he'd be marketed. but his success depends on whether he can find the confidence in the next few weeks to emerge as a real star who controls his performance.
- lucie and lloyd--- they could 100% make it on the disney channel, nowhere else though.
- stacey --- if she goes the duffy/adele route, i can't see why she couldn't also have a similar hit... at the very least, though, i'm sure she'll always be beloved in the UK, even if the singing career doesn't go far

So everyone who isn't one of Simon's acts? Lloyd? Really? Goodness me!!

[Nick_DK]

Originally Posted by sHAYneWARD

Basically, the American public could not just not see what the fuss was about the audition (they even compared it to performances on AI that Simon had ridiculed) but didn't take to Danyl during the interview.

The American puplic all 300mil of them a few people of youtube yeah but allot like it aswell. As for the intervew thats all rumours and about being dropped fro other interviews. Yeah he might not make it but I think he will just mu opinion.

[ablahh]

Originally Posted by bridgerton

So everyone who isn't one of Simon's acts? Lloyd? Really? Goodness me!!

goodness your ass...

it's not an anti-Simon thing. Leona Lewis was Simon's act. She's the best, and all of Simon's praise was deserved. It was always great to see how supportive he was of her. I'm not bashing Simon - he's just sticking up for his acts - I'm just giving my opinion, which is that his 3 have zero chance of success in the US.

And apparently you didn't even read my comments. Yes, Lloyd has a better chance of success in the US than any of the over 25s. Not as a singer. (He doesn't have the voice, and is too young to be taken seriously, and as Simon said, is out of his depth.) But I could definitely see him playing the part of "British boyfriend" in a couple of 30-minute Disney Channel shows. I don't think that is the direction he'd like to go in, but since I don't see singers like him and Lucie being successful pop stars, even a few minutes of airtime for them on TV if they try to get such a gig still means they'd have more success than the overs, who have no shot of success in the US, in my opinion.

[SlimSim]

Originally Posted by ablahh

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Simon's acts, in the US, would get laughed at: "Who do these people think they are?

the only ones who have any shot of success:
- john and edward

where you said Simon's act's would get laughed at in the US I am inclined to agree with you, But then you go on to say deadwood would have a chance of successes, I have talked on a lot of American forums and they have been ridiculing J&E and I have family in USA who have said the same thing too,