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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-Radio-4.html

Its amazing how patronising the BBC can be at times.

[BeethovensPiano]

But most of the population of the UK is white. What do they expect.

[Ollie_h19]

And while we're at it that 1xtra is too black. It's called a target audience. And I'm sure there's something for everyone on Radio 4, even I like a lot of the comedy.

[RED KITE]

Originally Posted by BeethovensPiano

But most of the population of the UK is white. What do they expect.

I'm Native British (with the same meaning as Native American) thank you very much - I hate that term. Maybe one day people will stop being categorised by skin colour.

[Murray Mint]

Surely it is the responsibility of local BBC radio services to provide programming for people of ethnic minorities?

You could also argue that Radio 2, Radio 3 and Radio 7 are "too White".

[Martin Phillp]

Originally Posted by RED KITE

I'm Native British (with the same meaning as Native American) thank you very much - I hate that term. Maybe one day people will stop being categorised by skin colour.

I doubt there is anyone who is 'native' to Britain. Caucasian white people are descended from other parts of Europe since we were invaded by the Romans, Normans, Vikings etc.

There are other people of an ethnic minority background who'd also see themselves as native to this country.

[Obadia]

I disagree, I think it is more a class divide, how many working class folk listen to R4?

I dislike the idea of forced little pockets of programming for the "ethnics", as if that will make things OK, ticked that box, in fact that's really insulting and patronising to BME Britons. People listen to R4 if interested in the output. I never listen to R1 1xtra, R2 or
R3 because their ouput is of no interest to me, I wouldn't expect them to change it on the off chance I might listen.

All I expect from the Beeb is for them to develop and recognise talent of all British people, not force square pegs etc.

[RobinCarmody]

This could be a long and tedious thread, but I think it is more of a class thing - my mum was educated to the age of 21 (and so is somewhat alienated from her siblings) and has listened to Radio 4 regularly for decades, her siblings all left school as soon as you could (15 for the older ones, 16 for the younger ones) and never really have. This probably happens in a lot of families - the long-term effects of passing or failing the 11-plus ...

Although two of my uncles who have always been inverted snobs *have* listened to Radio 4 in recent years, which I think shows how determined its recent controllers have been to attract audiences outside its traditional comfort zone. Bear in mind that this article is from a paper which would love to trap Radio 4 (and the BBC generally) in aspic, so is probably exaggerating what the BBC wants to do.

[johnpetters]

Originally Posted by Ads

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...e-Radio-4.html

Its amazing how patronising the BBC can be at times.

Radio 4 is one of the things the BBC does well. I would not like to see it change.

The great thing about radio is that it is colour blind.

I've no idea how many ethnic minorities are on 4, I just listen to the voices. The racial origin of the voice is of no consequence.

I'm quite happy to hear programmes featuring minorities - we already have these.

The much criticised 'Thought For The Day' has multi fatih, hence multi ethnic contributers.

There is a danger of ticking boxes, like women only candidates for Parliament.

There should be equal opportunities for all people. To load it in favour of minorities actually does them no favours.

[RED KITE]

Originally Posted by Martin Phillp

I doubt there is anyone who is 'native' to Britain. Caucasian white people are descended from other parts of Europe since we were invaded by the Romans, Normans, Vikings etc.

There are other people of an ethnic minority background who'd also see themselves as native to this country.

I knew someone would bring that up.

Well neither are the Native Americans native to America so the scientists say - but don't say that to them they hate that.

Native in my definition simply means old ancestry i.e. old enough for you only to know and be raised in a British culture, speaking a British language, it is not the same as Britishness or Englishness. All people who have British citizenship whether they had it from birth or it was given to them this week are equally British and everyone born in England are just as much an Englishman/woman as any other. The descendents of everyone who has offspring in this country will eventually become native British as they intermix with those descended from much earlier migrations - I'm sure someone would read that as racist, it's not.

It's a difficult subject, my main reason more than any for hating the term "white" is it's consistent and ongoing use by racists - it just makes me think of Nazi's, the KKK and genocide - all the evil crimes against humanity committed against the Native Americans, Aborigines, Africans and Asian peoples in the name of pigmentation! Also no human being is white, so it's a stupid term anyway.

White, black etc should be officially discouraged in the media and in all other situations to describe people.

[Andy Carlton]

Originally Posted by BeethovensPiano

But most of the population of the UK is white. What do they expect.

Exactly...this is 'supposed' to be 'Britain' not Bangladesh or Nigeria...

Isn't there enough ethnic radio out there?

[omnidirectional]

Originally Posted by Martin Phillp

I doubt there is anyone who is 'native' to Britain. Caucasian white people are descended from other parts of Europe since we were invaded by the Romans, Normans, Vikings etc.

That's quite correct. The closest living relations to 'original' Britons are probably the Welsh who managed to survive the Anglo-Saxon invasions and keep a Celtic land and language alive in the area now known as Wales. Incidentally Cornwall is marked as "West Wales" on some Anglo-Saxon maps, showing that a Celtic culture and language survived there too.

[RED KITE]

Originally Posted by omnidirectional

That's quite correct. The closest living relations to 'original' Britons are probably the Welsh who managed to survive the Anglo-Saxon invasions and keep a Celtic land and language alive in the area now known as Wales. Incidentally Cornwall is marked as "West Wales" on some Anglo-Saxon maps, showing that a Celtic culture and language survived there too.

At the risk of going dangerously off topic - the Anglo-Saxon era was more of a cultural and linguistic change - 3 times as many Poles have migrated to Britain since 2004 than the total number of Anglo-saxons did. At the same time all trace of the Pictish culture and language vanished in Scotland and the same happened with the Gauls in France. More latterly it happened when the Spanish conquered Mexico - yet most Mexicans are decended from pre-Spanish conquest. Most English people with "old ancestry" are decended from people who formerly lived at the bottom of the North Sea - at that time there was nothing to separate England from the Low Countries so the same people lived on both sides of the North Sea Basin. They now think the Celts and ancestors of the English have lived side by side in Britain for 6000 years. So the English have always been a mixed people ever since the Mesolithic. There are known to be traces of Middle Eastern and African ancestry amongst English people from the arrival of the first farmers in Neolithic times. - As for Nick Griffin I think he should have a compulsory DNA test since he thinks he is 100% pure pedigree British descended from Neanderthals.

[ElectrobixGreen]

Why don't they worry less about who isn't listening and more about who is? The Radio 4 audience obviously enjoys what it does, so why bother changing a successful formula?

[tvstudies]

Is the Asian Network too Asian?

Should it have Nick Griffin present on it, to be fully representative of Britain?

[funkydory90210]

Yet more anti white moaning.

The indigenous population of Britain is caucasian - what people call 'white'. When the population of Britain is 80+% white then ofcourse there will be more white people in the media.

It seems anything 'white' is not allowed as it is too racist. I mean, next classical and opera music will be too white. Or heavy metal will be too white. We better ban all those white scientists aswell. And while we're at it we may aswell ban all those white fashion designers - how dare Armani be so white, he may offend an ethnic minority!

It annoys me how ethnic minorities are allowed their way based on their skin culture i.e. BBC asian netwrok, MOBO awards, black division of police officers etc, yet anything which has a white face on it is deemed racist.

It appears multi-culturalism is only allowed if it means that everyone who is non white gets their way.

P.S. Can I complain about hip hop videos being too black and bollywood movies being too Asian?

Rant over lol.

[RobinCarmody]

Posts such as the most recent one here are precisely *why* the Daily Telegraph runs articles like this. Divide and conquer - far better to have that great majority of the white population which is not privileged moaning about hip-hop videos and Bollywood than to have them seriously challenging the ruling class, because the latter would actually threaten the Telegraph's interests.

You are aware, aren't you, that the Daily Telegraph - without which this thread wouldn't exist - is as hateful towards you and as dismissive of your true interests as it is towards people from a similar background to yours who are not of Caucasian extraction? Scare stories like this are *intended* to politically divert the majority from doing anything that would be in their own interests - perhaps you should google the phrase "lumpenproletariat" and its full political implications. Not that you'd understand.

[funkydory90210]

Originally Posted by RobinCarmody

Posts such as the most recent one here are precisely *why* the Daily Telegraph runs articles like this. Divide and conquer - far better to have that great majority of the white population which is not privileged moaning about hip-hop videos and Bollywood than to have them seriously challenging the ruling class, because the latter would actually threaten the Telegraph's interests.

You are aware, aren't you, that the Daily Telegraph - without which this thread wouldn't exist - is as hateful towards you and as dismissive of your true interests as it is towards people from a similar background to yours who are not of Caucasian extraction? Scare stories like this are *intended* to politically divert the majority from doing anything that would be in their own interests - perhaps you should google the phrase "lumpenproletariat" and its full political implications. Not that you'd understand.

And posts like yours are condescending. Perhaps you should google 'manners'.

You seem to think you are some sort of beacon of light, a bastion of knowledge from which to talk down to the commoners. Oh, how I envy thee......

Stories like that are also published because there are huge movements of political correctness which blames white people for everything. Subtle racism which seeks to brand white people 'racist'.

[RED KITE]

Originally Posted by funkydory90210

Yet more anti white moaning.

The indigenous population of Britain is caucasian - what people call 'white'. When the population of Britain is 80+% white then ofcourse there will be more white people in the media.

It seems anything 'white' is not allowed as it is too racist. I mean, next classical and opera music will be too white. Or heavy metal will be too white. We better ban all those white scientists aswell. And while we're at it we may aswell ban all those white fashion designers - how dare Armani be so white, he may offend an ethnic minority!

It annoys me how ethnic minorities are allowed their way based on their skin culture i.e. BBC asian netwrok, MOBO awards, black division of police officers etc, yet anything which has a white face on it is deemed racist.

It appears multi-culturalism is only allowed if it means that everyone who is non white gets their way.

P.S. Can I complain about hip hop videos being too black and bollywood movies being too Asian?

Rant over lol.

Look when I take over the world I'll make interracial marriage / civil partnerships compulsory. Sleeping with someone of your own race will be forbidden by law as incest. The problem of racism will be solved in a generation.

[funkydory90210]

Originally Posted by RED KITE

Look when I take over the world I'll make interracial marriage / civil partnerships compulsory. Sleeping with someone of your own race will be forbidden by law as incest. The problem of racism will be solved in a generation.

Lol.

I wouldn't put it past the PC brigade to propose such things.

Racism is multi-faceted. White people are on the receiving more racist attacks than any ethnic group but all we ever hear about is neo-nazis etc. Fairness and balance has to be used to talk about this issue and not political correctness.

[RobinCarmody]

Originally Posted by funkydory90210

And posts like yours are condescending. Perhaps you should google 'manners'.

I was merely pointing out that right-wing newspapers want to divide and conquer. Where does the term "funky" come from, incidentally?

You seem to think you are some sort of beacon of light, a bastion of knowledge from which to talk down to the commoners. Oh, how I envy thee......

No, that's the Daily Telegraph with its intention to divert the mass of the population away from serious political action against an unaccountable elite, and towards petty little campaigns against people who have no institutional power and have done them no harm. It isn't condescending to tell people where their true interests lie.

[RED KITE]

Originally Posted by funkydory90210

Lol.

I wouldn't put it past the PC brigade to propose such things.

Racism is multi-faceted. White people are on the receiving more racist attacks than any ethnic group but all we ever hear about is neo-nazis etc. Fairness and balance has to be used to talk about this issue and not political correctness.

Only one person from an ethnic minority here in the UK has been truly horrible to me in my life. Another a woman in some really dodgy shop tried to cheat me out my money. That aside no one else from any non-Caucasian background has ever mistreated me in my life ever - I've been around for 29 years.

With the exceptions above all the abuse and nastiness I have suffered in my life and I have had to put up with a hell of a lot has been from English people. I've even been discriminated against and bullied because I don't look "English" more Irish / Welsh, yet having been born and raised here I'm as English as anyone else.

[funkydory90210]

Originally Posted by RED KITE

Only one person from an ethnic minority here in the UK has been truly horrible to me in my life. Another a woman in some really dodgy shop tried to cheat me out my money. That aside no one else from any non-Caucasian background has ever mistreated me in my life ever - I've been around for 29 years.

With the exceptions above all the abuse and nastiness I have suffered in my life and I have had to put up with a hell of a lot has been from English people. I've even been discriminated against and bullied because I don't look "English" more Irish / Welsh, yet having been born and raised here I'm as English as anyone else.

I'm sorry to hear that.

The fact remains however that statistically, ethnic minorities commit more crime that 'native' white people yet there is a disproportionate amount of propaganda given to branding white people racist.

Did you watch the Channel 4 race week? It had experiments based on the wrong notion that white people are racist. Such a show would never be allowed for ethnic minorities.

Anyway, the point I was alluding to is that racism is wrong. Full stop. But this " there's too much whiteness' nonsense is racist aswell. Hence my jokey comment about Bollywood movies being too Asian.

[funkydory90210]

Originally Posted by RobinCarmody

I was merely pointing out that right-wing newspapers want to divide and conquer. Where does the term "funky" come from, incidentally?



No, that's the Daily Telegraph with its intention to divert the mass of the population away from serious political action against an unaccountable elite, and towards petty little campaigns against people who have no institutional power and have done them no harm. It isn't condescending to tell people where their true interests lie.

The way you stated your point was condescending. When you say " you wouldn't understand" as if people are stupid it is very assumptive.

I actually 'get' your point and 'understand'. However, I think the left wing, liberal media is far more detrimental to Britain.

[RED KITE]

Originally Posted by funkydory90210

I'm sorry to hear that.

The fact remains however that statistically, ethnic minorities commit more crime that 'native' white people yet there is a disproportionate amount of propaganda given to branding white people racist.

Did you watch the Channel 4 race week? It had experiments based on the wrong notion that white people are racist. Such a show would never be allowed for ethnic minorities.

Anyway, the point I was alluding to is that racism is wrong. Full stop. But this " there's too much whiteness' nonsense is racist aswell. Hence my jokey comment about Bollywood movies being too Asian.

Where's the hard factual evidence that they commit more crime?

I think a lot of racism in the UK is ingrained thanks to people not intermixing and making friends with people from ethnic minorities as children and being inbred over thousands of years. Until 100 years ago most people in this country married people who were related to them i.e. people from the same village or local area and often from their own extended family. It was the norm back then.