Did Craig get his tactics from this book?? - Big Brother

03-08-2005, 22:26

I just heard Craig say he knows what Derek is doing because he(Craig) had read a book about strategies before he came on.I THINK he said it was The Art of War by Sun Tzu. If so thats'a book all about strategies for winning,originally written about winning wars it's principles can be applied to winning anything.

I am seriously wondering if Craig is trying to use the principles in the book to win BB.Here are a few quotes from the book.

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All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near. Hold out baits to entice the enemy. Feign disorder, and crush him

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If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.

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The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy's will to be imposed on him.

Did anybody hear for sure if this was the book he was referring to?

Wiggles · 03-08-2005, 22:30

Is it "being Phsycotic for dummies" ?

babycakes · 03-08-2005, 22:33

General Coates - whatever next

Overseer · 03-08-2005, 22:34

i think i've heard derek mention machiaveli's prince too...

"Machiavelli's The Prince has long been used and studied as a manual for those who are
already in power or for those who wish to have power. Through rational thinking about
political power, Machiavelli is the authoritative source on how one should lead and
govern. "

it could have been science.. (sounds stereotypical..) but he's likely to know about both this and the art of war through 2pac who changed his moniker to Makaveli shortly before he died)

stray · 03-08-2005, 22:36

I don't know if that's the book, didn' t hear him speak about it but having read those bits above...I agree it could be believed he's putting that strategy to work very effectively!

Leprechaun · 03-08-2005, 22:36

This is Craig "Never Read a Book in My Life" Coates ?

What a compulsive liar...

feelsolucky · 03-08-2005, 22:38

Jenni TH mentioned Sun Tzu in one of her posts. Anyone want to search for it?

03-08-2005, 22:40

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Originally Posted by Leprechaun

This is Craig "Never Read a Book in My Life" Coates ?

What a compulsive liar...

Is that what he said

He was definitely saying that he was glad he had read this book before he came in because he could see exactly what Derek was doing and he reckoned he must have read it too.Did anyone else hear if it was THIS book he was talking about ? I'm 99% sure it was

Leprechaun · 03-08-2005, 22:44

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Originally Posted by WhyBother6

Is that what he said

He was definitely saying that he was glad he had read this book before he came in because he could see exactly what Derek was doing and he reckoned he must have read it too.Did anyone else hear if it was THIS book he was talking about ? I'm 99% sure it was

He sure did. Even Davina repeated it on the opening night.

What a ******* compulsive liar. I'm off to bed before I get any more angry.

The things a TV show does to you...

03-08-2005, 22:45

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Originally Posted by Overseer

it could have been science.. (sounds stereotypical..) but he's likely to know about both this and the art of war through 2pac who changed his moniker to Makaveli shortly before he died)

I've just found a post that says Science has read it

03-08-2005, 22:46

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Originally Posted by feelsolucky

Jenni TH mentioned Sun Tzu in one of her posts. Anyone want to search for it?

Oh no I've found it but it's in the middle of a post with loads of pages.

Back in a mo

03-08-2005, 22:50

Found it feelsolucky.It was just a brief mention

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The point being that a la Art of War thinking, the way you approach a situation is you assess it carefully and properly then you go forth. If you think it through carefully then you have your plan in place before the dance begins. As Sun Tzu says if you find yourself in a battle then you've already lost the war.

andy1973 · 03-08-2005, 22:54

I think that grants Craig with intelligence than he has.

03-08-2005, 22:59

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Originally Posted by andy1973

I think that grants Craig with intelligence than he has.

What's granting him with more intelligence than he has.. saying he has read the book or saying he might be trying to put what he read in the book into practise?

feelsolucky · 03-08-2005, 23:01

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Originally Posted by WhyBother6

Found it feelsolucky.It was just a brief mention

Me thanks your research skills!!!

thms · 03-08-2005, 23:12

maybe all the housemates have read this book

Villa · 03-08-2005, 23:22

I think hes also read Deans book the way he goes on about editing and pre-defined roles for each HM.

swingaleg · 03-08-2005, 23:23

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Originally Posted by thms

maybe all the housemates have read this book

Was it serialised in Heat ?

03-08-2005, 23:37

I've read that, good book

Also check out the Book of Five Rings by Miyomato Musashi.

03-08-2005, 23:38

Oh, and Tactics of Mistake....book one in the dorsai trilogy.

feelsolucky · 03-08-2005, 23:39

You know, this is a really good thread, but I've got to go to bed now. I'll respond in the morning. Goodnight folks.

Rain · 03-08-2005, 23:48

I have slept with Maxwell.. nanaanananana!!! :P

04-08-2005, 09:54

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Originally Posted by Rain

I have slept with Maxwell.. nanaanananana!!! :P

That was special Rain.Thanks for sharing

cj592 · 04-08-2005, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Rain

I have slept with Maxwell.. nanaanananana!!! :P

Did you have to hoover out the bed afterwards?

cj

03-08-2005, 22:30	#2
Wiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 485	Is it "being Phsycotic for dummies" ?

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babycakes Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 4,658	General Coates - whatever next

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Overseer Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 628	i think i've heard derek mention machiaveli's prince too... "Machiavelli's The Prince has long been used and studied as a manual for those who are already in power or for those who wish to have power. Through rational thinking about political power, Machiavelli is the authoritative source on how one should lead and govern. " it could have been science.. (sounds stereotypical..) but he's likely to know about both this and the art of war through 2pac who changed his moniker to Makaveli shortly before he died)

03-08-2005, 22:36	#5
stray Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Services: NTL Posts: 2,044	I don't know if that's the book, didn' t hear him speak about it but having read those bits above...I agree it could be believed he's putting that strategy to work very effectively!

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Leprechaun Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,828	This is Craig "Never Read a Book in My Life" Coates ? What a compulsive liar...

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feelsolucky Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,868	Jenni TH mentioned Sun Tzu in one of her posts. Anyone want to search for it?

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andy1973 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,126	I think that grants Craig with intelligence than he has.

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thms Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Services: let anyone who invites me to dinner prosper Posts: 42,609	maybe all the housemates have read this book

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Villa Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,867	I think hes also read Deans book the way he goes on about editing and pre-defined roles for each HM.

03-08-2005, 23:37	#19
pickle Posts: n/a	I've read that, good book Also check out the Book of Five Rings by Miyomato Musashi.

03-08-2005, 23:38	#20
pickle Posts: n/a	Oh, and Tactics of Mistake....book one in the dorsai trilogy.

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feelsolucky Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 7,868	You know, this is a really good thread, but I've got to go to bed now. I'll respond in the morning. Goodnight folks.

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Rain Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Stoke-on-Trent Services: Orange Broadband, LG on Orange Posts: 5,503	I have slept with Maxwell.. nanaanananana!!! :P