[Enkiddu]

Tonight's spin the bottle antics have made me change my opinions a little of these two girls. I've always been a supporter of Grace against all the vitriol. I thought she was just playing the game, but some of the comments she has made over the last couple of days tell me she's lost the plot a bit.

With the spin the bottle, I applaud Grace, Ais and Imogen's decision not to get involved too heavily, I feel that Grace hasn't really played the game. The agreed rules were no nudity or sexual questions, but that was out of the window with the first question from Lea. Still, it's wrong for Grace to talk about no nudity and yet dare Glyn to run nude round the garden.

This is where Imogen went up in my estimation. She clearly told Glyn in Welsh something along the lines of "Don't do it your Mum will be watching", and convinced him to keep his boxers on. Subsequently, she has withdrawn from the game. Good on yer Imo.

Aisleyne as well clearly has quite high moral standards as she also definitely doesn't want to get involved. Maybe she is a JW.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Enkiddu

Aisleyne as well clearly has quite high moral standards.

I thought that when I saw her dancing with her tits hanging out of her dress as well.

Originally Posted by Enkiddu

This is where Imogen went up in my estimation. She clearly told Glyn in Welsh something along the lines of "Don't do it your Mum will be watching", and convinced him to keep his boxers on. Subsequently, she has withdrawn from the game. Good on yer Imo.

Credit where it's due.....that was the decent thing to do.

[JAR6]

Big deal if the others want to play spin the bottle, its just a bit of fun, and they are enjoying themselves, Imgoen and Grace just go straight to the Bathroom and start bithcing about people like always, sad lilttle people in my opinion

[ChiCkY82]

grace keep menitoning the kids she teaches , but does she 4get that when mikey comes to her bed everynight ?? what about when she bitches about every1 behind thier back and then be nice to them , what a great role model she is !

[Alrightmate]

Grace told Glyn to run around the garden naked?

Grace?

Grace was just in the bathroom morally condemning the others who she said are all trying to get Glyn to do stuff and that he's only young.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by Alrightmate

Grace told Glyn to run around the garden naked?

Grace?

Grace was just in the bathroom morally condemning the others who she said are all trying to get Glyn to do stuff and that he's only young.

I don't think there's any inconsistyency.

How did a streak end up in so extreme a category?

[Alrightmate]

Originally Posted by Veri

I don't think there's any inconsistyency.

How did a streak end up in so extreme a category?

Are you sure you're answering the right post?

I never said it was extreme.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by Alrightmate

Are you sure you're answering the right post?

I never said it was extreme.

It was proably the only thing that was asked of Glyn.

You (and others) seemed to think there was some inconsistency between what Grace said in the bathroom and the "dare" she gave him.

But if the dare had been, say, to drink a glass of water, no one would be making that point; and so streaking must be in an extreme enough cateogry for the point to even seem plausible.

I don't think it was the only thing asked of Glyn, but even if it was, it definitely wasn't the only thing HMs tried to get him to do (and in some cases succeeded).

[spiralx]

Originally Posted by Alrightmate

Grace told Glyn to run around the garden naked?

Grace?

Grace was just in the bathroom morally condemning the others who she said are all trying to get Glyn to do stuff and that he's only young.

If he's got a self-admitted reputation for streaking I can see how she wouldn't think that was as big a deal as snogging Lea

[Enkiddu]

Originally Posted by Veri

You (and others) seemed to think there was some inconsistency between what Grace said in the bathroom and the "dare" she gave him.

But if the dare had been, say, to drink a glass of water, no one would be making that point; and so streaking must be in an extreme enough cateogry for the point to even seem plausible.

I don't think it was the only thing asked of Glyn, but even if it was, it definitely wasn't the only thing HMs tried to get him to do (and in some cases succeeded).

Actually, the point I made originally was two-fold

a. You don't ask someone to do something as a dare if you aren't prepared to do it yourself

b. You don't complain about people exploiting an 18 year old when you wre the one that did it.

[spiralx]

Originally Posted by Enkiddu

a. You don't ask someone to do something as a dare if you aren't prepared to do it yourself

Not true if you don't think the behaviour is immoral, but would yourself suffer consequences due to your situation. That's perfectly consistent.

[Alrightmate]

Originally Posted by Veri

You (and others) seemed to think there was some inconsistency between what Grace said in the bathroom and the "dare" she gave him.

But if the dare had been, say, to drink a glass of water, no one would be making that point; and so streaking must be in an extreme enough cateogry for the point to even seem plausible.

I don't think it was the only thing asked of Glyn, but even if it was, it definitely wasn't the only thing HMs tried to get him to do (and in some cases succeeded).

I'd say that asking Glyn to streak through the garden was the most 'extreme' dare asked of Glyn.

But I think it's Grace who needs to be asked about her own moral judgements and what they mean.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by Enkiddu

Actually, the point I made originally was two-fold

a. You don't ask someone to do something as a dare if you aren't prepared to do it yourself

That's a new rule to me.

b. You don't complain about people exploiting an 18 year old when you wre the one that did it.

How did a streak end up in so extreme a category? ("Exploiting"?)

Besides, Grace is not the one who "did it" for any of the more questionable things that happened.

[Enkiddu]

Originally Posted by spiralx

Not true if you don't think the behaviour is immoral, but would yourself suffer consequences due to your situation. That's perfectly consistent.

Just get off your mindless apologist horse and try to think.

Grace clearly felt that Glyn being asked to streak was morally wrong as she was bitching about it in the bathroom. This was because she had forgotten that she was the one that dared him.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by Alrightmate

I'd say that asking Glyn to streak through the garden was the most 'extreme' dare asked of Glyn.

It was?

Or do you not count any of the things he did as "dares"?

[Enkiddu]

Originally Posted by Veri

That's a new rule to me.

How did a streak end up in so extreme a category? ("Exploiting"?)

Besides, Grace is not the one who "did it" for any of the more questionable things that happened.

It was Grace that used the term exploit when she was discussing it with Imo in the bathroom.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by Enkiddu

It was Grace that used the term exploit when she was discussing it with Imo in the bathroom.

At this point, I'll have to watch it again, because I don't agree with your account of it.

If she used the streak as an example, it still wasn't the main point of her complaint.

(Edit: I've now watched it again, and I couldn't find anything that matches your description. Grace seemed to be talking primarily about the snogging. It's possible Imogen had the streak in mind, but if so it didn't seem to come across very clearly. I couldn't find Grace saying "exploited" either.)