[skp20040]

I didn't see any other thread on this , so thought I would open one.

The story of the Pakistani man from Leeds who is to be executed in Pakistan.

He was convicted in 1988 and sentenced to death which was later reduced to a life sentence. This sentence was quashed by the Pakistani High Court after trials on the basis of flawed evidence. But it was not left at that , Pakistans Shria Court decided to retry the case , found him guilty and sentenced him to death.

He was due to be exceuted today but has not been yet ( apparently due to it being Ramadan ) , pleas from the EU and UK Government have it appears fallen on deaf ears and Pakistans President General Musharraf said in an interview on The Sunday Edition that he could not overturn the judgement. "I am not a dictator," he said. "I cannot violate a court judgement, whether you like the court or not."

Surely overturning an execution is not the signs of a Dictator ? If the High Court threw out the case then they must have had some misgivings about it , and the fact that the guy drove his alleged victim to a Polcie Station after the incident says something , I mean if he wanted to get away with murder he could have just ran away.

I wondered what others think about this case, what concerns me is that having done a search on this it appears that there are many case in Pakistan that when a person is found not guilty by the High Court the Sharia Court then takes it over and retries the case and seems to find the same people guilty. It just smells a bit odd to me.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/5391090.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4799505.stm

[Ovalteenie]

yes he was on the front page of the Independent yesterday

apparently he took a taxi & the driver tried to sexually assault him. there was a struggle & the driver's gun went off, he had shot himself.

seems to be a case of rough justice, from what i've read. its terrible

[SANDGATIAN]

Here's a comment from a reader at MPAC which I found appropriate



"... if Musharraf grants him a pardon, as he should, all the illiterate mullahs will crawl out of the woodwork once again and denounce the President as an 'infidel', and most probably start burning effigies of him or something. Where now are all the people who clamour day in, day out for Pakistan to be 'an Islamic nation'? Their silence is deafening.

May Allah Almighty grant mercy to Mirza Hussein, and also give Musharraf the strength to issue the pardon - and while he's at it, lock away every last 'maulana' who serves only to cripple the country and keep it in the dark ages. I would take advice on Islam from the Pope before going to any one of those morons."

[Ovalteenie]

hanging is a horrible way to die

doesnt look as if theres any other avenue left to the family now... other than international political pressure...

how about "a presidential pardon or else prepare to be bombed back to the stone age"?

[Ovalteenie]

Originally Posted by skp20040

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/5391090.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/4799505.stm

apparently he's aged quite a bit since that young picture...

http://www.itn.co.uk/news/britain_3a...25145206b.html

he should be released. especially if hes innocent.

& 18 years in prison, of the whole of the prime of his youth, is basically a life sentence already.

[TheToonArmy]

Originally Posted by Ovalteenie

hanging is a horrible way to die

doesnt look as if theres any other avenue left to the family now... other than international political pressure...

how about "a presidential pardon or else prepare to be bombed back to the stone age"?

I beg to differ, hanging in the UK was quick and efficient, Albert pierrepoint hung somebody from the holding cell to the drop in eight seconds and once you drop thats it, neck snapped.

If I was to be executed this would be the way I would choose.

but I will agree that hanging over there will be a noose around the neck then either pulled by a crane or just drop off a small height to strangle them until death, its a terrible way to die.

I kinda agree with SANDGATIAN that Musharraf will be dammed if he does and dammed if he does not. I personally belive that he will be hanged after ramadan as there is no justice in pakistan.

gaz

[Ovalteenie]

Originally Posted by TheToonArmy

I beg to differ, hanging in the UK was quick and efficient, Albert pierrepoint hung somebody from the holding cell to the drop in eight seconds and once you drop thats it, neck snapped.

If I was to be executed this would be the way I would choose.

but I will agree that hanging over there will be a noose around the neck then either pulled by a crane or just drop off a small height to strangle them until death, its a terrible way to die.

I kinda agree with SANDGATIAN that Musharraf will be dammed if he does and dammed if he does not. I personally belive that he will be hanged after ramadan as there is no justice in pakistan.

gaz

theres a biography of William Wallace which gives in perhaps a bit too much detail what happens when people are hanged (the slow way without the neck-breaking drop).... it's horrible...

i agree he will probably end up hanged...

does the fact that he has dual british/pakistani citizenship mean our government are less able to intervene?

(since british law recognises dual citizenship - theres a bit in the passport that says, if i understand it correctly, the govt cant help dual citizens against the authorities of their other country of citizenship)?

[skp20040]

Originally Posted by Ovalteenie

does the fact that he has dual british/pakistani citizenship mean our government are less able to intervene?

(since british law recognises dual citizenship - theres a bit in the passport that says, if i understand it correctly, the govt cant help dual citizens against the authorities of their other country of citizenship)?

If he were in another country other than that of his dual citizenship they may be able to assist more, but even then they cannot actually stop a legal process.

This page explains a bit more but the bit that will cover him is this

If you are a dual national in the country of your other nationality
If you are a British national and you are in the country of your other nationality, the authorities of your other nationality are entitled to take the view that the British Government has no standing in the matter. The British Consul will not provide consular assistance to you regardless of which passport you have used to enter the country of your other nationality. We have the discretion to make an exception to this rule if, having looked at the circumstances of the case, we consider that there is a special humanitarian reason to do so. Such circumstances might include, for example, cases concerning minors, forced marriages or capital offences. However, the assistance we can provide will depend on the circumstances and will require the acquiescence of the other state. If under the law of that country you are liable for any obligation such as military service, the fact that you are also a British national does not necessarily provide exemption and we will not intervene on your behalf on such matters. However, there is assistance that the British Consul can still provide to you in your country of other nationality.

The British Consul can...

In a crisis, try to evacuate dual nationals (including those who have renounced British citizenship but who are applying for resumption), subject to the resources available;
Issue passports or emergency passports;
Accept registration with the consular section (subject to local procedures). However, registration does not mean that the Post will provide consular assistance;
Provide general advice on how to transfer funds by commercial means;
Provide details of local lawyers, interpreters and doctors;
Provide details of organisations experienced in tracing missing persons;
Undertake notarial work.


http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?...=1098377478962

As I said before the bit that is odd with me is that it seems not to matter what the High Court does , if they dont agree the Sharia Courts retry the case. This apparently is not sitting well with many Pakistani officals either as they say it is putting in question the authority of the Judiciary.

[TheToonArmy]

not sure about william wallace and his book but ever since william marwood started investigating/practicing the "long drop" not many people in the UK have sufferd.

I dont think the UK goverment will do anything as they tend to believe that they cannot intervene in the judicial process of another sovereign nation especially pakistan who we need to keep on a really good footing due to the war on terror and all that.

plus, I wonder how the mad mullahs will react when they find out that tony blair, their second most mortal enemy has intervened and got the man off, look what they did when a simple cartoon took the pis* out of their god.

now due to the last paragraph I am going into hiding due to the fatwa going to be issued from pakistan for my ugly death......

gaz

[skp20040]

I see that they have now asked for a new date to be set for his execution after Ramadan is over , as they cannot execute people during that time. I find it unbelievable, its wrong to execute someone during a religous festival but its fine any other time.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/02102006/32...ng-briton.html