The Amazing Bunt - Strictly Come Dancing

buntyj · 02-12-2006, 17:07

I am sick to death of all the criticism of Emma on these boards. I wouldn't mind, but most of the criticism is not even objective. People just seem to hate her because she is the most famous celebrity, and because she was a Spice Girl, and then just jump on the 'bash the Bunt' bandwagon.

I would just like to say that I haven't posted on these boards for ages, because the nasty, vile things some have said has put me off, and then when I went to defend her, I get called a 'bunton boiler'.

Emma danced brilliantly last week. Good luck tonight!

*Nikie* · 02-12-2006, 19:38

She has proved why she should still be in this competition! As Darren said, she could have made all the fuss about hurting her leg, but chose not to. Also on that note didn't that Mark Frith (the heat mag guy) say that she could have made fusses about not being about to train.

Tonight has just proved why she is here, and why she should still be here!

DerChef · 02-12-2006, 19:40

DerChef says

That looked fine to me tonight, most of the occasional dodgy footwork from past weeks seems to have been sorted and Darren B has came up with some excellant routines

Ohh Yeah

capricorn_night · 02-12-2006, 19:41

I don't think people neccessarily hate her, it's more the apparent biasness from certain judges they hate.

washboard · 03-12-2006, 00:07

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Originally Posted by capricorn_night

I don't think people neccessarily hate her, it's more the apparent biasness from certain judges they hate.

That's probably true. However, they are punishing her for someone else's actions/behaviour.

I can't see how that is fair. I'm starting to wonder if being anti-someone because they're seen as the teachers pet is actually a form of bullying.

Emma is definitely now the recipient of my 'underdog' vote, not because I think she is being unfairly criticised and penalised by the judges, but because I think that she is still the recipient of unfair criticism, and penalisation. Not so much because of what she has done, but because the behaviour of others.

SCD-Observer · 03-12-2006, 00:35

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Originally Posted by washboard

That's probably true. However, they are punishing her for someone else's actions/behaviour.

I can't see how that is fair. I'm starting to wonder if being anti-someone because they're seen as the teachers pet is actually a form of bullying.

Emma is definitely now the recipient of my 'underdog' vote, not because I think she is being unfairly criticised and penalised by the judges, but because I think that she is still the recipient of unfair criticism, and penalisation. Not so much because of what she has done, but because the behaviour of others.

I don't hate Emma. I just hope the judges will not overmark her so blatantly. She did well tonight, and if she would have received eights and nines and still be at the top (she did well in both her dances, just not THAT well), I think more viewers will give her appreciative votes so to speak and she wouldn't be at the bottom two.

My point is that many of us viewing public will not tolerate what we perceived as unfair marking. Since we can't vote against anyone to leave, we can only vote positively for those we wish would stay. The public just feel Emma didn't deserve her blatantly high scores and ignore her and didn't vote for her. It's not her fault for sure, I think it's the judges' fault. I didn't watch any previous SCD series, but from what I read this was what happened to Zoe last year. She was good but not THAT good, the judges consistently overmarked her and fawned over her, the public got sick and didn't vote for her and she was out.

When will the judges learn they should just be 'fair' and leave the popularity votes to the public?

Too bad.

Doghouse Riley · 03-12-2006, 00:50

Apart from the obvious bias towards her shown by the judges, particularly Bruno and Craig around the time of CIN, it is that it is evident that Darren has chosen simple "safe" routines for each week, never any "risks"so nothing too taxing, but even in some of them she's made mistakes. Gloria Honeyford could have managed most of 'em.
Tonight's marks of "10s" were ridiculous.

Her content is very much like that of the contestants two years ago. Doubtless she performs better but if all this year's performances from all dancers were as uninspiring in their content as hers have been on occasions, people would be switching off in droves.

Her Latin performance tonight seemed more like something out of an "Old time music hall." (Well, she was dressed for it, wasn't she?) There was very little energy in it.
Darren wastes no opportunity to either excuse her performance or "big her up" in every post dance interview. He's starting to annoy me more than Brendan ever did.

FelineFantastic · 03-12-2006, 00:51

I misread this as the amazing BUNG- I am guessing this is what she gave to the judges no?!

allyfree · 03-12-2006, 00:53

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Originally Posted by FelineFantastic

I misread this as the amazing BUNG- I am guessing this is what she gave to the judges no?!

Ah..... you thought it started with a "B"

SCD-Observer · 03-12-2006, 00:56

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Originally Posted by allyfree

Ah..... you thought it started with a "B"

You mean it should be D not B?

The Amazing D..G. Ahem. <jk>

FelineFantastic · 03-12-2006, 00:57

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Originally Posted by SCD-Observer

You mean it should be D not B?

The Amazing D..G. Ahem. <jk>

That works too but I meant bung as in bribe cos after tonite she must have slipped em something!!

bigtoe · 03-12-2006, 01:03

Have to agree with doghouse.
All the crazy tens were just outrageous and in no way
deserved.Brunos ridiculous comment 'I could watch it all night' (the waltz) was surely drug-induced?

Its obvious to all and sundry that Matts waltz has been far and away the best waltz so far.
Her performances to date have been lacklustre and uninspiring. Dull, dull dull.
In my opinion, anyone whos been to stage school should not be selected for theprogramme.
Half the fun for me is seeing people from different worlds prepared to stumble around making fools of themselves and going on to make half decent dancers from very humble beginnings.

washboard · 03-12-2006, 01:11

SCD-O and DHR

I understand what you are both saying. But I think that what you are both describing is in fact "punishing [Emma] for someone else's actions/behaviour".

I can understand the reasoning, psychology etc behind the 'anti-teachers pet' voting patterns.

However, it seems to me that what we are talking about is someone being punished for the behaviour of others.

Personally, I am uncomfortable with that. When I see this happening to someone, it triggers my 'underdog sympathy' mode. And I realise that many people on here will not understand why I see Emma as an underdog, but I do. Because of the above, and because I don't think she has ever deserved to be in the bottom two. To my mind, that kind of public undermarking is just as iniquitous as the judges' overmarking. And it's just as iniquitous in Emma's case as it was in both Ray's and Spoony's.

This forum shows a huge variety of views on the actual dances, and I don't think it would be fair to suggest that all of those variations are down to blind loyalty to individuals or couples. So I can certainly understand why the judges comments and marks are incomprehensible in some people's minds, but perfectly fair in others' view.

I just think it's sad if people are punishing Emma for something which the judges have done; something which she has no control over. That's why I'm wondering about it being a form of 'bullying'.

washboard · 03-12-2006, 01:30

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Originally Posted by bigtoe

In my opinion, anyone whos been to stage school should not be selected for theprogramme.

I pretty much agree with that.

However, it also applies to Louisa, who I feel is even more overmarked than Emma. I loved her VW as a showdance, but agreed with the judges comments about the lack of VW content. I also saw a definite teeter at the beginning, and an obvious mix-up in the middle. The Cha Cha Cha was danced to one of my favourite songs, but despite that distraction, I noticed that the legs were a bit too bent. And I still feel that there are parts of her dances where she is scampering to keep up with Vincent.

So, if this thread, and the public vote, were all about a reaction to overmarking, favouritism, and the fundamental injustice of allowing stage school graduates onto SCD, and both Emma AND Louise were being looked at, I think I'd be saying 'yeah, damn right!'.

It's the focus on Emma alone which makes me feel uncomfortable, and starts me wondering about 'what constitutes bullying?'. And giving her 'underdog' status on my own scale.

bigtoe · 03-12-2006, 01:45

I feel comfortable with my view on this subject. I pretty much tend to automatically disregard anyone whos been to stage school. This is apart from the obvious advantage they start with, its more to do with, theres no sense of enjoyment in their progression in the show. I like to see the likes of a Bill Turnbull, colin jackson etc struggling and
'feeling their pain' as it were. Far more entertaining and I
find myself willing them on.

02-12-2006, 17:07	#1
buntyj Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 129	The Amazing Bunt I am sick to death of all the criticism of Emma on these boards. I wouldn't mind, but most of the criticism is not even objective. People just seem to hate her because she is the most famous celebrity, and because she was a Spice Girl, and then just jump on the 'bash the Bunt' bandwagon. I would just like to say that I haven't posted on these boards for ages, because the nasty, vile things some have said has put me off, and then when I went to defend her, I get called a 'bunton boiler'. Emma danced brilliantly last week. Good luck tonight!

02-12-2006, 19:41	#4
capricorn_night Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Gender: Female Location: Glasgow Posts: 4,522	I don't think people neccessarily hate her, it's more the apparent biasness from certain judges they hate. Last edited by capricorn_night : 02-12-2006 at 19:52.

02-12-2006, 19:38	#2
Nikie Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Gender: Female Location: ESSEX! Posts: 664	She has proved why she should still be in this competition! As Darren said, she could have made all the fuss about hurting her leg, but chose not to. Also on that note didn't that Mark Frith (the heat mag guy) say that she could have made fusses about not being about to train. Tonight has just proved why she is here, and why she should still be here!

02-12-2006, 19:40	#3
DerChef Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 998	DerChef says That looked fine to me tonight, most of the occasional dodgy footwork from past weeks seems to have been sorted and Darren B has came up with some excellant routines Ohh Yeah

03-12-2006, 00:50	#7
Doghouse Riley Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,982	Apart from the obvious bias towards her shown by the judges, particularly Bruno and Craig around the time of CIN, it is that it is evident that Darren has chosen simple "safe" routines for each week, never any "risks"so nothing too taxing, but even in some of them she's made mistakes. Gloria Honeyford could have managed most of 'em. Tonight's marks of "10s" were ridiculous. Her content is very much like that of the contestants two years ago. Doubtless she performs better but if all this year's performances from all dancers were as uninspiring in their content as hers have been on occasions, people would be switching off in droves. Her Latin performance tonight seemed more like something out of an "Old time music hall." (Well, she was dressed for it, wasn't she?) There was very little energy in it. Darren wastes no opportunity to either excuse her performance or "big her up" in every post dance interview. He's starting to annoy me more than Brendan ever did.

03-12-2006, 00:51	#8
FelineFantastic Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,606	I misread this as the amazing BUNG- I am guessing this is what she gave to the judges no?!

03-12-2006, 01:03	#12
bigtoe Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,158	Have to agree with doghouse. All the crazy tens were just outrageous and in no way deserved.Brunos ridiculous comment 'I could watch it all night' (the waltz) was surely drug-induced? Its obvious to all and sundry that Matts waltz has been far and away the best waltz so far. Her performances to date have been lacklustre and uninspiring. Dull, dull dull. In my opinion, anyone whos been to stage school should not be selected for theprogramme. Half the fun for me is seeing people from different worlds prepared to stumble around making fools of themselves and going on to make half decent dancers from very humble beginnings.

03-12-2006, 01:11	#13
washboard Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,339	SCD-O and DHR I understand what you are both saying. But I think that what you are both describing is in fact "punishing [Emma] for someone else's actions/behaviour". I can understand the reasoning, psychology etc behind the 'anti-teachers pet' voting patterns. However, it seems to me that what we are talking about is someone being punished for the behaviour of others. Personally, I am uncomfortable with that. When I see this happening to someone, it triggers my 'underdog sympathy' mode. And I realise that many people on here will not understand why I see Emma as an underdog, but I do. Because of the above, and because I don't think she has ever deserved to be in the bottom two. To my mind, that kind of public undermarking is just as iniquitous as the judges' overmarking. And it's just as iniquitous in Emma's case as it was in both Ray's and Spoony's. This forum shows a huge variety of views on the actual dances, and I don't think it would be fair to suggest that all of those variations are down to blind loyalty to individuals or couples. So I can certainly understand why the judges comments and marks are incomprehensible in some people's minds, but perfectly fair in others' view. I just think it's sad if people are punishing Emma for something which the judges have done; something which she has no control over. That's why I'm wondering about it being a form of 'bullying'.

03-12-2006, 01:45	#15
bigtoe Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,158	I feel comfortable with my view on this subject. I pretty much tend to automatically disregard anyone whos been to stage school. This is apart from the obvious advantage they start with, its more to do with, theres no sense of enjoyment in their progression in the show. I like to see the likes of a Bill Turnbull, colin jackson etc struggling and 'feeling their pain' as it were. Far more entertaining and I find myself willing them on.