six of one and half a dozen of another....do you agree? - Big Brother

mistral · 17-01-2007, 22:38

This is gonna be controversial but.............

if you listen and think about what shilpa and jade are doing. Are they are both doing a form of rasism..............

they are both picking on each others back ground differences, up bringing etc.

jade is saying things like indian, princess, she is used to having her bread buttered for her and more

shilpa is saying things like, roadside trash (or similar) she needs ellecoution lessons, no class, that she was brought up differently and more

ive been thinking about this and they both cant help how they were brought up, jade cant help her lack of class, vocabulary, accent, family members, being dragged up, no more than shilpa can help being born into a loving home, having a different culture, upper class, ability to act etc.

Jade does tend to loose it quite easily and swear and be uncoof, which i think is a lack of vocabulary and surely an example set by her mother and shilpa is no angel her comments are just as insulting and shilpa was the first one to talk about jade behind her back jade had not been in house an hour before shilpa was in the toilets with jermaine saying she could not bear her for long.

with all this in mind why is everyone slatting jade and making her out to be an out and out racistshe is not helped by jo and danielle who laugh and egg her on. Cleo, jermaine, dirk and H do nothing. But oh boy do they have a lot to say after every conflict behind their backs.

Big brother is worst of all they could end this if they wanted to but no they make thing worse by penilising them with the shopping bill and making it look like Shilpas fault, they could have overlooked it with the current tensions, but why do that if there is another chance to stir the pot up and the ratings must be booming.

Jade was embarrasing to watch tonight on the show purely because she does not know how to get her point across, so she shouts swears and goes on too long...danielle and jo laughing did not help....but she had a point shilpa was being a bit unreasonable. i think shilpa gave as good as she got and if this was an arguement with any other girl in the house (which could so easily have been) would there be such global outcry!

i think they are as bad as each other and this is down to class not racism!

what do you think

threecheeses · 17-01-2007, 22:43

I don't think it's racism, more of a class war.
Shilpa is not the innocent she makes out she is remaining calm as she is here to promote herself.
Jade had some good points but doesn't put them across well.
With all these racism accusastions (of which if any Danielle may be guilty of) flying around in the same vein Jermaine can be accused of it with his white trash comment and Shilpa with her gutter comment and making a sweeping generalisation of the UK being like Jade!

mistral · 17-01-2007, 22:43

i am going to bump this because i wanna know if i am alone in my views!

Bad_titan · 17-01-2007, 22:45

No, I do not agree. Jade has not been the target of a sustained campaign of vicious bullying.

CLL Dodge · 17-01-2007, 22:45

Class, not race.

evilbabe235 · 17-01-2007, 22:49

I compleatley agree with you
however i think that Cleo Dirk Ian staying out of it is a good thing because they shouldn't get involved it's shilpa's battle with Jade, Jade shouts off to her friends and bitches excuse me but who doesn't when they don't like someone.
Your right there both as bad as each other!!!

DebScott · 17-01-2007, 22:49

Totally agree with you! (Ducks!)

Jade has not said anything racial. All this hoo ha, has got toally out of hand.
It is more a cultural/class thing, it may even be seen to be a form of bullying - but racist it is not!

Watching the HL show tonight, and the oxo argument

I felt Dan & Jo's laughing was maybe a 'nervous' laugh? You know, when you can't believe what you're hearing/seeing and just can't help laughing. I do it - I did it while watching that.

I also don't feel they were laughing at Shilpa, but at Jade, and the tirade that was pouring, uncontrolably from her!

(Until Dan said she shoud eff off home!

) That wasn't necessary!
If Shilpa was english, and conducted herself exactly as she has been doing, they still wouldn't get on!
Girls are bitchy. This is what happens when this many female's are all vying (sp?) for the alpha role.

mistral · 17-01-2007, 22:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad_titan

No, I do not agree. Jade has not been the target of a sustained campaign of vicious bullying.

is it vicious bullying, there has been no punches i was bullied at school and still have the scars to prove it.....

please note i am trying to see this from both sides think they both are generally good people

i do think the tensions in the house has had a green house effect on the whole thing.

i also remember jade being bullied when she was in their, maybe she is worried it will happen again and she is retaliating rather than being stepped on like last time.

again these are only possibilities just trying to even up the arguements

lobeserve · 17-01-2007, 22:51

No I don't because Jade has pursued it relentlessly.

wonderfulxworld · 17-01-2007, 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistral

This is gonna be controversial but.............

if you listen and think about what shilpa and jade are doing. Are they are both doing a form of rasism..............

they are both picking on each others back ground differences, up bringing etc.

jade is saying things like indian, princess, she is used to having her bread buttered for her and more

shilpa is saying things like, roadside trash (or similar) she needs ellecoution lessons, no class, that she was brought up differently and more

ive been thinking about this and they both cant help how they were brought up, jade cant help her lack of class, vocabulary, accent, family members, being dragged up, no more than shilpa can help being born into a loving home, having a different culture, upper class, ability to act etc.

Jade does tend to loose it quite easily and swear and be uncoof, which i think is a lack of vocabulary and surely an example set by her mother and shilpa is no angel her comments are just as insulting and shilpa was the first one to talk about jade behind her back jade had not been in house an hour before shilpa was in the toilets with jermaine saying she could not bear her for long.

with all this in mind why is everyone slatting jade and making her out to be an out and out racistshe is not helped by jo and danielle who laugh and egg her on. Cleo, jermaine, dirk and H do nothing. But oh boy do they have a lot to say after every conflict behind their backs.

Big brother is worst of all they could end this if they wanted to but no they make thing worse by penilising them with the shopping bill and making it look like Shilpas fault, they could have overlooked it with the current tensions, but why do that if there is another chance to stir the pot up and the ratings must be booming.

Jade was embarrasing to watch tonight on the show purely because she does not know how to get her point across, so she shouts swears and goes on too long...danielle and jo laughing did not help....but she had a point shilpa was being a bit unreasonable. i think shilpa gave as good as she got and if this was an arguement with any other girl in the house (which could so easily have been) would there be such global outcry!

i think they are as bad as each other and this is down to class not racism!

what do you think

after tonight i completley agree with you...everythink you said (well i skimmed it so most of the things) but yeah i said before that i think they are both as bad as each other. glad someone has the same views

Dan Fortesque · 17-01-2007, 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by DebScott

Totally agree with you! (Ducks!)

Jade has not said anything racial. All this hoo ha, has got toally out of hand.
It is more a cultural/class thing, it may even be seen to be a form of bullying - but racist it is not!

Watching the HL show tonight, and the oxo argument

I felt Dan & Jo's laughing was maybe a 'nervous' laugh? You know, when you can't believe what you're hearing/seeing and just can't help laughing. I do it - I did it while watching that.

I also don't feel they were laughing at Shilpa, but at Jade, and the tirade that was pouring, uncontrolably from her!

(Until Dan said she shoud eff off home!

) That wasn't necessary!
If Shilpa was english, and conducted herself exactly as she has been doing, they still wouldn't get on! Girls are bitchy. This is what happens when this many female's are all vying (sp?) for the alpha role.

I agree. I also think Shilpa does say things that often get overlooked.

Charlottesweb · 17-01-2007, 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistral

is it vicious bullying, there has been no punches i was bullied at school and still have the scars to prove it.....

Bullying doesnt have to involve physical violence.

Thats not my opinion, that is , in fact, the law.

Welcome to 2007.

Bonnie Parton · 17-01-2007, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlottesweb

Bullying doesnt have to involve physical violence.

Thats not my opinion, that is , in fact, the law.

Welcome to 2007.

HERE HERE!

mistral · 17-01-2007, 22:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlottesweb

Bullying doesnt have to involve physical violence.

Thats not my opinion, that is , in fact, the law.

Welcome to 2007.

im not denying bullying just the vicious

scorpchris19 · 17-01-2007, 22:55

Totally agree. Shilpa is also at fault. However it protrays her in a better light and Jade gets the stick is the way Jade speaks - loud and aggressive, while Shilpa speaks gently and walks away from the situation - end up crying in the toilet & complaining to Jermaine.

Evict BOTH on Friday.

evilbabe235 · 17-01-2007, 22:56

I want both to go!!
the house would all get along just fine!!
it's 2007 the nation has become so touchy and so stupid i hate it i hate what the human race has become it's stupid!!!
Laws nowadays are stupid it will probably go full circle and we will end up in an unfree world!!
Nowadays you say anything and your ultimatley branded !!

mistral · 17-01-2007, 22:56

another thought...sorry thinking on my feet

if shilpa felt so bad why would she confront them about the oxos!!!!

Duck!

cavalli · 17-01-2007, 22:57

Mistral, I think your post is one of the best I've read on this board - you managed to avoid hysteria and instead chose to look at the situation in a rational,well balanced way.

mistral · 17-01-2007, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by cavalli

Mistral, I think your post is one of the best I've read on this board - you managed to avoid hysteria and instead chose to look at the situation in a rational,well balanced way.

thanks i try to be fair always

starry · 17-01-2007, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlottesweb

Bullying doesnt have to involve physical violence.

Thats not my opinion, that is , in fact, the law.

Welcome to 2007.

But she isn't a little girl and she can walk at any moment anyway. There are always alliances in Big Brother, and it's a competitive game in which people are trying to win.

ronnie24 · 17-01-2007, 22:59

But its not one against the other its 3 girls CONSTANTLY bitching about another and they do seem prejudice.

MothToAFlame · 17-01-2007, 23:01

I agree with Mistral. Very good points made.

Charlottesweb · 17-01-2007, 23:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by starry

But she isn't a little girl and she can walk at any moment anyway. There are always alliances in Big Brother, and it's a competitive game in which people are trying to win.

I see. And if you bully someone enough to make them walk, thats just fine and dandy?

'F**k off back home'

'Get that f***ing rug off'

I'd love to see what Shilpa has done to 'deserve' that.

xscape · 17-01-2007, 23:02

Excellent post mistral.

threecheeses · 17-01-2007, 23:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by starry

But she isn't a little girl and she can walk at any moment anyway. There are always alliances in Big Brother, and it's a competitive game in which people are trying to win.

Exactly..if she felt bullied and could not cope she would walk unlike people in the 'real' world who have no choice to walk away from a situation..but just like all the other HM's Shilpa is trying to get some promotion and money out of this

17-01-2007, 22:38	#1
mistral Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 109	six of one and half a dozen of another....do you agree? This is gonna be controversial but............. if you listen and think about what shilpa and jade are doing. Are they are both doing a form of rasism.............. they are both picking on each others back ground differences, up bringing etc. jade is saying things like indian, princess, she is used to having her bread buttered for her and more shilpa is saying things like, roadside trash (or similar) she needs ellecoution lessons, no class, that she was brought up differently and more ive been thinking about this and they both cant help how they were brought up, jade cant help her lack of class, vocabulary, accent, family members, being dragged up, no more than shilpa can help being born into a loving home, having a different culture, upper class, ability to act etc. Jade does tend to loose it quite easily and swear and be uncoof, which i think is a lack of vocabulary and surely an example set by her mother and shilpa is no angel her comments are just as insulting and shilpa was the first one to talk about jade behind her back jade had not been in house an hour before shilpa was in the toilets with jermaine saying she could not bear her for long. with all this in mind why is everyone slatting jade and making her out to be an out and out racistshe is not helped by jo and danielle who laugh and egg her on. Cleo, jermaine, dirk and H do nothing. But oh boy do they have a lot to say after every conflict behind their backs. Big brother is worst of all they could end this if they wanted to but no they make thing worse by penilising them with the shopping bill and making it look like Shilpas fault, they could have overlooked it with the current tensions, but why do that if there is another chance to stir the pot up and the ratings must be booming. Jade was embarrasing to watch tonight on the show purely because she does not know how to get her point across, so she shouts swears and goes on too long...danielle and jo laughing did not help....but she had a point shilpa was being a bit unreasonable. i think shilpa gave as good as she got and if this was an arguement with any other girl in the house (which could so easily have been) would there be such global outcry! i think they are as bad as each other and this is down to class not racism! what do you think

17-01-2007, 22:43	#2
threecheeses Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Left London Services: Freeserve then Wanadoo then Orange what next? Posts: 10,938	I don't think it's racism, more of a class war. Shilpa is not the innocent she makes out she is remaining calm as she is here to promote herself. Jade had some good points but doesn't put them across well. With all these racism accusastions (of which if any Danielle may be guilty of) flying around in the same vein Jermaine can be accused of it with his white trash comment and Shilpa with her gutter comment and making a sweeping generalisation of the UK being like Jade!

17-01-2007, 22:45	#4
Bad_titan Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 793	No, I do not agree. Jade has not been the target of a sustained campaign of vicious bullying.

17-01-2007, 22:45	#5
CLL Dodge Forum Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 40,503	Class, not race.

17-01-2007, 22:49	#6
evilbabe235 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Mill Health Centre ;) Services: Vamperic Pirate Queen Posts: 1,028	I compleatley agree with you however i think that Cleo Dirk Ian staying out of it is a good thing because they shouldn't get involved it's shilpa's battle with Jade, Jade shouts off to her friends and bitches excuse me but who doesn't when they don't like someone. Your right there both as bad as each other!!!

17-01-2007, 22:49	#7
DebScott Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hertfordshire Services: NTL Cable & O2 Broadband & BBlock groupie Posts: 13,141	Totally agree with you! (Ducks!) Jade has not said anything racial. All this hoo ha, has got toally out of hand. It is more a cultural/class thing, it may even be seen to be a form of bullying - but racist it is not! Watching the HL show tonight, and the oxo argument I felt Dan & Jo's laughing was maybe a 'nervous' laugh? You know, when you can't believe what you're hearing/seeing and just can't help laughing. I do it - I did it while watching that. I also don't feel they were laughing at Shilpa, but at Jade, and the tirade that was pouring, uncontrolably from her! (Until Dan said she shoud eff off home! ) That wasn't necessary! If Shilpa was english, and conducted herself exactly as she has been doing, they still wouldn't get on! Girls are bitchy. This is what happens when this many female's are all vying (sp?) for the alpha role.

17-01-2007, 22:51	#9
lobeserve Banned User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 7,460	No I don't because Jade has pursued it relentlessly.

17-01-2007, 22:55	#15
scorpchris19 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 481	Totally agree. Shilpa is also at fault. However it protrays her in a better light and Jade gets the stick is the way Jade speaks - loud and aggressive, while Shilpa speaks gently and walks away from the situation - end up crying in the toilet & complaining to Jermaine. Evict BOTH on Friday.

17-01-2007, 22:56	#16
evilbabe235 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Mill Health Centre ;) Services: Vamperic Pirate Queen Posts: 1,028	I want both to go!! the house would all get along just fine!! it's 2007 the nation has become so touchy and so stupid i hate it i hate what the human race has become it's stupid!!! Laws nowadays are stupid it will probably go full circle and we will end up in an unfree world!! Nowadays you say anything and your ultimatley branded !!

17-01-2007, 22:57	#18
cavalli Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 315	Mistral, I think your post is one of the best I've read on this board - you managed to avoid hysteria and instead chose to look at the situation in a rational,well balanced way.

17-01-2007, 22:59	#21
ronnie24 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2,879	But its not one against the other its 3 girls CONSTANTLY bitching about another and they do seem prejudice.

17-01-2007, 23:01	#22
MothToAFlame Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 412	I agree with Mistral. Very good points made.

17-01-2007, 23:02	#24
xscape Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 86	Excellent post mistral.