Jade and non-beautiful women - Big Brother

Dannouk · 21-01-2007, 00:02

Heres a thought.

Everyone always seems to have more of an issue with people if they are not classically defined as beautiful. You only have to look at the hideous posts attacking Jades looks on here to know that.

Had someone beautiful in the house behaved like Jade did, would matters have been different. Is that why Danielle is getting away with it, because shes more attractive and therefore easier to like?

(As an aside, to me its similar to a theory regarding the death of Diana. Had Princess Anne died in the same way, would there have been as much of an outpouring of emotion?. No I dont think there would have. Diana had what was defined as beauty whereas Anne doesnt, so people dont care. )

Its easier to like beautiful people and hate those not so attractive, which in essence means people have the same bullying qualities they perceive in Jade - they are picking on someone as much for how they actually are, as well as for what they do.

solitaire1 · 21-01-2007, 00:04

I think you're totally right in what you've said.. there's been other incidents this ie: Saskia V Makosi etc.. but never an outcry like

neilk · 21-01-2007, 00:05

oh for gods sake grow up princess diana was loved the world over and it was not about the way she looked it was about how she cared about people and loved everyone for who they were.what a stupid thing to say

redcherry · 21-01-2007, 00:07

So its only 'beautiful people' who are bullies??

Amica · 21-01-2007, 00:07

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Originally Posted by Dannouk

Is that why Danielle is getting away with it, because shes more attractive and therefore easier to like?

Not sure she is . There are rumours Teddy has dumped her and the publics true feelings will be seen if/when she is nominated.

Lucy84 · 21-01-2007, 00:08

I think if Jade and Jo had been good looking the backlash would have probably been just as bad - the idea of spoilt pretty white girls bullying Shilpa would have got the tabloids going just as ape as they have been.

Dannouk · 21-01-2007, 00:08

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Originally Posted by neilk

oh for gods sake grow up princess diana was loved the world over and it was not about the way she looked it was about how she cared about people and loved everyone for who they were.what a stupid thing to say

So if Princess Anne died in the same way there would have been the same outcry? And to bring it back on topic, if a beautiful, classy star had acted the way Jade has in the house she wouldnt have received the same hysterical hateful treatment, from people proposing to support peace and love in the world?

qee · 21-01-2007, 00:08

I don't entirely agree - often people's perception of whether or not someone is ugly or beautiful, is influenced by what they think of the person.
For example, I have seen people here saying that Danielle is ugly. Well, clearly Danielle is a pretty girl, it's what she's said that's ugly.

Like wise, there are women who are no raving beauties, who people don't criticise for their looks, because they find them entertaining and like the way they come across - Kathy Burke comes to mind.

ludovica · 21-01-2007, 00:09

Fannielle isn't "all that" in the natural state

appalachian · 21-01-2007, 00:09

I think people's reactions to Danielle are different because, despite arguments as to who out of Jade, Danielle and Jo have actually been worse, Jade has a track record of similarly volatile and despicable behaviour. With Jade there's an accumulative effect that isn't there with either Jo or Danielle.

Generally, I agree with the basic point of the OP though, I think the fair and the beautiful often 'get away' with a lot of things. It may have an influence in people's thinking but I doubt it's as simple as that and other factors, like the one I mentioned, come into play too.

ludovica · 21-01-2007, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Dannouk

So if Princess Anne died in the same way there would have been the same outcry? And to bring it back on topic, if a beautiful, classy star had acted the way Jade has in the house she wouldnt have received the same hysterical hateful treatment, from people proposing to support peace and love in the world?

I prefer Princess Anne.. and always have

neilk · 21-01-2007, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Dannouk

So if Princess Anne died in the same way there would have been the same outcry? And to bring it back on topic, if a beautiful, classy star had acted the way Jade has in the house she wouldnt have received the same hysterical hateful treatment, from people proposing to support peace and love in the world?

what does princess anne do ride horses she has never been involved worldwide with all the charities diana did

Dr Knockers · 21-01-2007, 00:11

Jade is the only one inclined to shouty, 40 minute hate filled monologues.

redcherry · 21-01-2007, 00:12

Makosi (who I didnt like) was beautiful yet she was heavily criticised on here and in the press, so that theory doesnt stand.

Airam · 21-01-2007, 00:12

Danielle's getting away with it because a lot of her worst remarks have been out of hearing of the other groups and haven't been included in the edited highlights show.

She's also part of the built in nomination block.

Isn't it strange all 4 of them nominated exactly the same 2 people and gave similar reasons? If I didn't know how carefully the HMs keep to BB rules, I'd be suspicious that there could have been some discussion beforehand.

Princess Anne has always worked with many more global charities than Diana and Princess Anne has always been near the top of the hardest working royals league. She just never had the media hype that Diana got.

frazzles · 21-01-2007, 00:14

anyone rememeber sophie pritchard, that tall, slim, pretty dark haired one that married Lee form bb3? well does anyone remeber how nasty jade was to her? and also the fact sophie was everything jade wasn't? pretty, slim, intelligent, i think jade knows she's not very attractive and takes it out on prettier girls, simple as that

Dannouk · 21-01-2007, 00:15

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Originally Posted by neilk

what does princess anne do ride horses she has never been involved worldwide with all the charities diana did

Without wanting to drag this off topic i had to reply.. sorry everyone. Try the fact she has been president of Save The Children since 1970 and does huge amounts of work (without inviting the camers along for it). She also very involved in working with charities in many African counties as well as St Johns ambulance. And this brings it right back to the point, youre not interested because she is not calssically thought of as beautiful. Does anyone actually give Jade a chance, or do we still remember the media labelled" pig" that walked in the house years ago and judge her on that.

redcherry · 21-01-2007, 00:18

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Originally Posted by Dannouk

Without wanting to drag this off topic i had to reply.. sorry everyone. Try the fact she has been president of Save The Children since 1970 and does huge amounts of work (without inviting the camers along for it). She also very involved in working with charities in many African counties as well as St Johns ambulance. And this brings it right back to the point, youre not interested because she is not calssically thought of as beautiful. Does anyone actually give Jade a chance, or do we still remember the media labelled" pig" that walked in the house years ago and judge her on that.

Its not the papers, its what we have previously seen with our own eyes - her behaviour on BB3 and BTR - nothings changed, she is exactly the same. A bully can come in all shapes and sizes, rich or poor.

Dannouk · 21-01-2007, 00:26

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Originally Posted by redcherry

Its not the papers, its what we have previously seen with our own eyes - her behaviour on BB3 and BTR - nothings changed, she is exactly the same. A bully can come in all shapes and sizes, rich or poor.

But did anyone give her a chance when she entered the house for a second time. People on here were already calling her a pig before she walked through the door.

appalachian · 21-01-2007, 00:30

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Originally Posted by Dannouk

But did anyone give her a chance when she entered the house for a second time. People on here were already calling her a pig before she walked through the door.

Surely her second chance was when she entered the house in 'Back to Reality'? She had a chance then and blew it.

redcherry · 21-01-2007, 00:32

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Originally Posted by Dannouk

But did anyone give her a chance when she entered the house for a second time. People on here were already calling her a pig before she walked through the door.

What do you mean by a chance. There will always be posters with extreme views either way, but some of us just waited to see how she would behave, and if hopefully it would nt be a repeat of BB3. But she hadnt learned anything and appears to have got more aggressive with each RTV show that she appears in.

Dannouk · 21-01-2007, 00:34

OK look at it this way. Had a more fragile, delicate, classy woman timidly walked out to an empty crowd last night, would the sentiment have been different. By her physical appearance I think Jade offends and threatens some people and they never get beyond that.

Tortue · 21-01-2007, 01:51

No I don't think so. Those who don't like Cleo say that she looks like the Joker and that she looks old etc whereas anyone can see she is classically beautiful. I think when people dislike someone they just trash them as ugly

al89nut · 21-01-2007, 01:53

I actually dont think Jade looks that bad nowadays

Josie78 · 21-01-2007, 22:08

I think it's true. I remember reading about a study where they found attractive women were less likely to be convicted of a crime, but if they were convicted they were given harsher sentences. Presumably because we're so appalled a good looking woman can do wrong

I can't help feeling sorry for the control group in that study. They're due in court, probably scared and anxious and some psychologist says 'mind if we do a study on you? we want to see how you get treated compared to good looking women.'

I do wonder if Kate would have won if she hadn't been beautiful.

21-01-2007, 00:02	#1
Dannouk Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Surrey Services: BT Vision Posts: 1,630	Jade and non-beautiful women Heres a thought. Everyone always seems to have more of an issue with people if they are not classically defined as beautiful. You only have to look at the hideous posts attacking Jades looks on here to know that. Had someone beautiful in the house behaved like Jade did, would matters have been different. Is that why Danielle is getting away with it, because shes more attractive and therefore easier to like? (As an aside, to me its similar to a theory regarding the death of Diana. Had Princess Anne died in the same way, would there have been as much of an outpouring of emotion?. No I dont think there would have. Diana had what was defined as beauty whereas Anne doesnt, so people dont care. ) Its easier to like beautiful people and hate those not so attractive, which in essence means people have the same bullying qualities they perceive in Jade - they are picking on someone as much for how they actually are, as well as for what they do.

21-01-2007, 00:12	#15
Airam Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,369	Danielle's getting away with it because a lot of her worst remarks have been out of hearing of the other groups and haven't been included in the edited highlights show. She's also part of the built in nomination block. Isn't it strange all 4 of them nominated exactly the same 2 people and gave similar reasons? If I didn't know how carefully the HMs keep to BB rules, I'd be suspicious that there could have been some discussion beforehand. Princess Anne has always worked with many more global charities than Diana and Princess Anne has always been near the top of the hardest working royals league. She just never had the media hype that Diana got. Last edited by Airam : 21-01-2007 at 00:16.

21-01-2007, 00:04	#2
solitaire1 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ♥Team Dunno Yet♥ Services: ♣Oh any - as long as it pays well♣ Posts: 6,080	I think you're totally right in what you've said.. there's been other incidents this ie: Saskia V Makosi etc.. but never an outcry like

21-01-2007, 00:05	#3
neilk Banned User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 552	oh for gods sake grow up princess diana was loved the world over and it was not about the way she looked it was about how she cared about people and loved everyone for who they were.what a stupid thing to say

21-01-2007, 00:07	#4
redcherry Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Services: broadband Posts: 7,188	So its only 'beautiful people' who are bullies??

21-01-2007, 00:08	#6
Lucy84 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 245	I think if Jade and Jo had been good looking the backlash would have probably been just as bad - the idea of spoilt pretty white girls bullying Shilpa would have got the tabloids going just as ape as they have been.

21-01-2007, 00:08	#8
qee Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 349	I don't entirely agree - often people's perception of whether or not someone is ugly or beautiful, is influenced by what they think of the person. For example, I have seen people here saying that Danielle is ugly. Well, clearly Danielle is a pretty girl, it's what she's said that's ugly. Like wise, there are women who are no raving beauties, who people don't criticise for their looks, because they find them entertaining and like the way they come across - Kathy Burke comes to mind.

21-01-2007, 00:09	#9
ludovica Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hampshire Posts: 25,097	Fannielle isn't "all that" in the natural state

21-01-2007, 00:09	#10
appalachian Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Services: witch hunting! Posts: 2,575	I think people's reactions to Danielle are different because, despite arguments as to who out of Jade, Danielle and Jo have actually been worse, Jade has a track record of similarly volatile and despicable behaviour. With Jade there's an accumulative effect that isn't there with either Jo or Danielle. Generally, I agree with the basic point of the OP though, I think the fair and the beautiful often 'get away' with a lot of things. It may have an influence in people's thinking but I doubt it's as simple as that and other factors, like the one I mentioned, come into play too.

21-01-2007, 00:11	#13
Dr Knockers Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 175	Jade is the only one inclined to shouty, 40 minute hate filled monologues.

21-01-2007, 00:14	#16
frazzles Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,803	anyone rememeber sophie pritchard, that tall, slim, pretty dark haired one that married Lee form bb3? well does anyone remeber how nasty jade was to her? and also the fact sophie was everything jade wasn't? pretty, slim, intelligent, i think jade knows she's not very attractive and takes it out on prettier girls, simple as that

21-01-2007, 00:34	#22
Dannouk Forum Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Surrey Services: BT Vision Posts: 1,630	OK look at it this way. Had a more fragile, delicate, classy woman timidly walked out to an empty crowd last night, would the sentiment have been different. By her physical appearance I think Jade offends and threatens some people and they never get beyond that.

21-01-2007, 01:51	#23
Tortue Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,386	No I don't think so. Those who don't like Cleo say that she looks like the Joker and that she looks old etc whereas anyone can see she is classically beautiful. I think when people dislike someone they just trash them as ugly

21-01-2007, 01:53	#24
al89nut Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 828	I actually dont think Jade looks that bad nowadays

21-01-2007, 22:08	#25
Josie78 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 422	I think it's true. I remember reading about a study where they found attractive women were less likely to be convicted of a crime, but if they were convicted they were given harsher sentences. Presumably because we're so appalled a good looking woman can do wrong I can't help feeling sorry for the control group in that study. They're due in court, probably scared and anxious and some psychologist says 'mind if we do a study on you? we want to see how you get treated compared to good looking women.' I do wonder if Kate would have won if she hadn't been beautiful.