[Smeggypants]

Well there's a suprise!!

The Iraqi Oil Law is about to be passed.....

http://www.democracynow.org/article..../02/20/1523250

An interview with an Iraqi blogger how translated the Iraqi Oil Law back into English

This law gives contracts to Western Oil companies to control the production of Iraqi Oil. It effectly prevents Iraq frmo being in OPEC.

The Iraqi Oil Law was drawn up first in English with input from the large US Oil companies ( the people who will benefit many billions of $$$$$$$$ from this law ) and Paul Wolfowitz ( president of The World Bank The Christian Neocon Project for A New American Century and Deputy secrety of Defense and other US adminstration Defense positions.

It's interesting to note that the Iraqi Oil trading currency was switched fm $ to Euros in 2000 and promptly switchyed back to $ after the invasion.

Iraqi Oil is apprently good qulaity and being easily accesibel can be had for as little as $1 a barrel. Thus HUGE profits are to be made for the American Oil companies ocne they gain the control of it through this new Iraq Oil Law.

It's also worth reading in Wikipedia about Paul Wolfowitz ( Link above ) and his role in planning the invasion of Iraq ( before 911 ), membership of PNAC and talking of "taking proper advantage of the oppurtunity ( of 911 ).."


It was always obvious that Oil was one of the main reasons for invading Iraq, alongside a wider plan of religious, social and economic suppresion and plundering of wealth from the region.

The American Military-Industrial Complex is making an absolute billions of $$$$$$$ fortune out of invading the Middle East.

The American Oil companies are making an absolute billions of $$$$$$$ fortune out of invading the Middle East.

The American Construction Companies are making an absolute billions of $$$$$$$ fortune out of invading the Middle East.

The American Christian and Zionist Extremists are keeping Islam under their military thumb encouraging Moslims to kill each other by invading the Middle East. They are also funding Israel and the Israeli settlements in order to fulfill biblical prophecy.


Here's an English translation of the forthcoming Iraqi Oil Law...


http://www.al-ghad.org/wordpress/wp-...qi_oil_law.pdf

Have fun!

[Hathor]

Does it surprise you? It's what America does.

[Smeggypants]

Originally Posted by Hathor

Does it surprise you? It's what America does.

The opening line of my post was pure sarcasm

[Mrs Werewolf]

Real reason for war?

It was obvious from the begining that the need for cheap oil was behind it.

[Flat_Eric]

Okay, SP I must admit that I haven't had time to more than skim over the draft law in the link that you posted, so maybe I missed something.

In which case, maybe you can point out the parts where it specifically states that the Western oil companies will be given carte blanche to plunder Iraq's oil. Or is this yet another example of your frequent hysterical anti-American solganeering?

Because from what I can gather from my own (admittedly cursory) glance over it, it goes on about how the Iraqi oil ministry will be responsible for the country's oil industry.

And how does it "de facto" prevent Iraq from being a member of OPEC?

To me, all this frequent talk about "the NeoCons" wanting to "steal" or "plunder" Iraqi oil is extremely silly. I mean - where are they going to put it all? And why would they need to "steal" anything - given that they're already minted .

Of course I’m just being facetious here. I know what you mean. But it's still a very silly thing to say because you know it's not really true, it is a slogan of the liberal-left. And a particularly idiotic and hysterical one at that.

There is a huge strategic imperative to keep the oil flowing. Because for better or worse, it currently governs every aspect of our comfy, daily weh-heyyyyyy lifestyles - including the lives of all those liberal hand-wringers in their ivory towers who constantly harp on about “GWB wants to steal the oil”.

There has never been any suggestion of "stealing" or "plundering" oil. Simply to keep it flowing and thus keep our wheels turning, keeps our lights on, put food on our tables and your PCs powered up so that you can sit there at night in your electrcally lit study, sipping on your latte macchiatos (all courtesy of oil!) typing out daily rants about how evil and bent on world domination America and your own country are and how the poor Islamists are simply misunderstood and all they want is to be left alone in peace.

Yes of course there are huge profits to be made from oil. And no doubt the oil companies will make billions as you say - but then again they always have.

You say this as if it's something new. It's not. Also, the Arabs nations who sit on top of vast oil reserves owe their great prosperity to it - or are you now going to tell us how Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States have been "plundered" by those evil Western oil companies?

So if the whole venture is properly managed (and assuming also that the insurgents don't blow up all the refineries and pipelines), there will also be billions to plough back into the Iraqi economy and get the country up and running again.

Neither is the presence of Western oil companies in the region anything new (including in Iraq for that matter). So if not the oil companies, who do you expect to help get the Iraqi economy up and running again, given the sorry state of the place today? Who better than those evil oil companies, given that the whole Iraqi economy is based on oil?

I also don't see what's so sinister about Iraqi oil being traded in Dollars either, given that this is the international currency for oil trading anyway.

Have you read it Smeggy?

As someone who works in the UK Oil Industry I'll be interested to hear your considered opinion as to just how this law enables all the things you mention in your first post?

Or is this just another "I hate America" thread ?

[Deep Purple]

Originally Posted by DerekP

Have you read it Smeggy?

As someone who works in the UK Oil Industry I'll be interested to hear your considered opinion as to just how this law enables all the things you mention in your first post?

Or is this just another "I hate America" thread ?

I think the last sentence covers it, and many will jump on the bandwagon, and quote the thread title as fact without looking any further into the story.

[Johnny_Ringo]

America are entitled to take what they want from the region as they have spent billions flattening it so it's only fair.

[Trojan_Jockey]

Originally Posted by Flat_Eric

Okay, SP I must admit that I haven't had time to more than skim over the draft law in the link that you posted, so maybe I missed something.

In which case, maybe you can point out the parts where it specifically states that the Western oil companies will be given carte blanche to plunder Iraq's oil. Or is this yet another example of your frequent hysterical anti-American solganeering?

Because from what I can gather from my own (admittedly cursory) glance over it, it goes on about how the Iraqi oil ministry will be responsible for the country's oil industry.

And how does it "de facto" prevent Iraq from being a member of OPEC?

To me, all this frequent talk about "the NeoCons" wanting to "steal" or "plunder" Iraqi oil is extremely silly. I mean - where are they going to put it all? And why would they need to "steal" anything - given that they're already minted .

Of course I’m just being facetious here. I know what you mean. But it's still a very silly thing to say because you know it's not really true, it is a slogan of the liberal-left. And a particularly idiotic and hysterical one at that.

There is a huge strategic imperative to keep the oil flowing. Because for better or worse, it currently governs every aspect of our comfy, daily weh-heyyyyyy lifestyles - including the lives of all those liberal hand-wringers in their ivory towers who constantly harp on about “GWB wants to steal the oil”.

There has never been any suggestion of "stealing" or "plundering" oil. Simply to keep it flowing and thus keep our wheels turning, keeps our lights on, put food on our tables and your PCs powered up so that you can sit there at night in your electrcally lit study, sipping on your latte macchiatos (all courtesy of oil!) typing out daily rants about how evil and bent on world domination America and your own country are and how the poor Islamists are simply misunderstood and all they want is to be left alone in peace.

Yes of course there are huge profits to be made from oil. And no doubt the oil companies will make billions as you say - but then again they always have.

You say this as if it's something new. It's not. Also, the Arabs nations who sit on top of vast oil reserves owe their great prosperity to it - or are you now going to tell us how Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States have been "plundered" by those evil Western oil companies?

So if the whole venture is properly managed (and assuming also that the insurgents don't blow up all the refineries and pipelines), there will also be billions to plough back into the Iraqi economy and get the country up and running again.

Neither is the presence of Western oil companies in the region anything new (including in Iraq for that matter). So if not the oil companies, who do you expect to help get the Iraqi economy up and running again, given the sorry state of the place today? Who better than those evil oil companies, given that the whole Iraqi economy is based on oil?

I also don't see what's so sinister about Iraqi oil being traded in Dollars either, given that this is the international currency for oil trading anyway.

A most excellent post Eric, cutting through the hysterical and ill-informed propaganda that litters this forum.

I like the way Smeggpants spins the fact that the Jewish Paul Wolfowitz, who was once a member of the PNAC, is actually president of the 'Christian' PNAC neo-con project!

[Prince Monalulu]

Smeggypants, do us a favour, try a balanced post just stating the facts, then let the facts speak for themselves.

All this rantage is frankly boring and for myself just turns me off, just as bad as Matrix and Daft, have to pick through the post looking out for landmines.

No doubt, the Oil co's will be importing everything including staff instead of emloying Iraqi's.

As an aside I presume the Iraqi's were capable of getting the oil out of the ground without outside help/contractors before the Invasion.

[_pacman VKC]

Give the yanks a break, jesus, wars are not cheap and they got a 7 trillion debt to pay!!

[Channel Hopper]

Originally Posted by Mrs Werewolf

Real reason for war?

It was obvious from the begining that the need for cheap oil was behind it.

They could have got it from the same place as our mayor claims to have - Venezuela, somewhat conveniently on his Cuban pilgrimage, under the suggestion it is all for the good of the 2012 Olympic bid.

[Smeggypants]

Originally Posted by Trojan_Jockey

A most excellent post Eric, cutting through the hysterical and ill-informed propaganda that litters this forum.

Flat Eric simply spins it in the opposite to the way I have

I like the way Smeggpants spins the fact that the Jewish Paul Wolfowitz, who was once a member of the PNAC, is actually president of the 'Christian' PNAC neo-con project!

Yes and I make no apologies for the political slant on my posts. I don't try and hide my bias against the American Adminstration, so there's no need to feel celver for pointing it out

I dislike the Islamic side of thsi holy war too btw, so I'm not 100% one sided.

[Smeggypants]

Originally Posted by DerekP

Have you read it Smeggy?

As someone who works in the UK Oil Industry I'll be interested to hear your considered opinion as to just how this law enables all the things you mention in your first post?

Or is this just another "I hate America" thread ?

Firstly I don't hate America. I am half American myself and have some great friends in America.

What I do hate is the Christian Extremist and ZIonist sector of the US Establishment and it's agenda to turn America into a theoracy ( underwya already ) and it's military-indutrial-complex/Religious suppresive agenda in the middel east.

This forum is called 'Politics' . So please don't be suprised if people's posts are, ahem political.


Secondly it was a BBCnews24 report early this morning that said this new Iraqi Oil Law would enable the US Oil ginats to taek control of it. I lokedo n the BBC website but there seemed to be no web based isntance of the same report. So I did a search.

Of course if anyone is naive enough to believe that the US is not engineering the whole situation so they, as usual, get their hands upon the wealth of the country they have just blown up then bring on any reasons why.

Originally Posted by Smeggypants

Flat Eric simply spins it in the opposite to the way I have





Yes and I make no apologies for the political slant on my posts. I don't try and hide my bias against the American Adminstration, so there's no need to feel celver for pointing it out

I dislike the Islamic side of thsi holy war too btw, so I'm not 100% one sided.

So we can disregard any politic posts you make involving America and its current policies as you are a self confessed spin merchant for the anti-amercican position.

Some of us like to debate rather than posture on these forums

[TDHM]

"it's agenda to turn America into a theoracy"

Ok, tell us how...

"military-indutrial-complex/Religious suppresive agenda in the middel east."

Same here...

[Smeggypants]

Originally Posted by TDHM

"it's agenda to turn America into a theoracy"

Ok, tell us how...

"military-indutrial-complex/Religious suppresive agenda in the middle east."

Same here...

Are you really expecting me to churn out that total political history of America over the last 25 years?


But if you really are blind to how the Chrsistian Extremists have taken control of the Republican party and other key posts in the administration then this is a start

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

http://www.au.org/site/PageServer

..and wikipedia is also a good reference


And if you really are blind to the Military-Industrial Complex in America then you really haven't grasped the main fuel of the "Cold War" and now the "War on Terror"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar...strial_complex

MIC is a term coined by Eisenhower who warned about it.

from wikipedia...

"As pejorative terms, the "MIC" or the "iron triangle" refer to an institutionalised collusion among defense contractors (industry), The Pentagon (military), and the United States government (Congress, Executive branch), as a cartel that works against the public interest, and whose motivation is profiteering."


Apart from religious agenda in the Middle east the whole agenda as set out by PNAC is about war profit.

Some other links from the MIC page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_war_economy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century



Surely no one really thinks the Americans are there for charitable reasons do they?

[Smeggypants]

Originally Posted by DerekP

So we can disregard any politic posts you make involving America and its current policies as you are a self confessed spin merchant for the anti-amercican position.

Some of us like to debate rather than posture on these forums

What's wrong with opinion?

In any case I am simply telling what I believe America has done. I am adding ( Opinion ) that I Don't like it.

You're welcome to disregard my posts because of opinion but you'll miss out on the subtance which isn't a matter of opinion, It actually happens. I'm not 100% perfect on the facts, but I try and verify most of what I say.

And surely you have an opnion on whether a certain political event is good or not?

[Flat_Eric]

Originally Posted by Smeggypants

I dislike the Islamic side of thsi holy war too btw, so I'm not 100% one sided.

Really?

You could have fooled us!

So okay then, how about explaining to us - with similar zeal and enthusiasm - why you dislike the Islamists as well.

How about giving us some nice blue links to click on and treating us to one of your rambling treatises about the dangers of radical Islam and how it's threatening to take over the world?

Just one will do - then you can go back to your favourite subject of the Christian-Zionist-Extremist Military-Industrial New World Order Seventh Day Adventist New American Century Conspiracist Movement or whatever it is that you think that we should all be losing so much sleep over.


Oh and by the way: You STILL haven't explained just how this new law will result in Iraq's oil being "plundered". And please - no issue-fudging links to wikipedia. Point to the specific clauses of this legislation that you obligingly posted a link to this morning in your OP.

[Smeggypants]

Originally Posted by Flat_Eric

Really?

You could have fooled us!

So okay then, how about explaining to us - with similar zeal and enthusiasm - why you dislike the Islamists as well.

How about giving us some nice blue links to click on and treating us to one of your rambling treatises about the dangers of radical Islam and how it's threatening to take over the world?

Just one will do - then you can go back to your favourite subject of the Christian-Zionist-Extremist Military-Industrial New World Order Seventh Day Adventist New American Century Conspiracist Movement or whatever it is that you think that we should all be losing so much sleep over.

It's ironic that you are just as politically biased as I am in this forum isn't it. Which makes your smartarse reply above even less smartarse than it ever was



The following links are from my bookmarks and not just googled to please you.
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here ya go if you can stomach it

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm#video

( Warning! - Maybe offensive to those of a sensitive nature )

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Osama's Letter to america where calls for America to embrace Islam. ( presumably he wants the rest of the world to do so as well.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world...ticle_continue ( scroll to the right - page not formatted properly )


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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

And here's a great one taht gives lts of examples of why Islam is bad news.

For the record I dislike the ideologies of all abrahamic Organised Religions.


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And Eric, instead of just taking the urine, why don't you actually click on the NICE BLUE LINKS and learn something

[TDHM]

Originally Posted by Smeggypants

Are you really expecting me to churn out that total political history of America over the last 25 years?


But if you really are blind to how the Chrsistian Extremists have taken control of the Republican party and other key posts in the administration then this is a start

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

http://www.au.org/site/PageServer

..and wikipedia is also a good reference


And if you really are blind to the Military-Industrial Complex in America then you really haven't grasped the main fuel of the "Cold War" and now the "War on Terror"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar...strial_complex

MIC is a term coined by Eisenhower who warned about it.

from wikipedia...

"As pejorative terms, the "MIC" or the "iron triangle" refer to an institutionalised collusion among defense contractors (industry), The Pentagon (military), and the United States government (Congress, Executive branch), as a cartel that works against the public interest, and whose motivation is profiteering."


Apart from religious agenda in the Middle east the whole agenda as set out by PNAC is about war profit.

Some other links from the MIC page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_war_economy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...erican_Century



Surely no one really thinks the Americans are there for charitable reasons do they?

Yawn. So basically, you can't tell me how America is turning into a Theoracy and how Christian Extremeist are going to overturn the US constitution.

And basically you can't tell me how exactly the Military-inducatrial complex is benefiting from long drawn out conflicts in Iraq and Afganhistan.

Stop posting generic links Smeggy pants and start laying out your views properly. Its not a big thing to ask. And if I hear anything more about a defnuct think tank, I think I'm going to scream.

So which paper released by PNAC advocates 'war profit;.

Don't send me to wikipedia... actually tell me...

[Flat_Eric]

Smeg - I challenged, you rose to it, on this occasion I doff my hat.

[Smeggypants]

Originally Posted by TDHM

Yawn. So basically, you can't tell me how America is turning into a Theoracy and how Christian Extremeist are going to overturn the US constitution.

And basically you can't tell me how exactly the Military-inducatrial complex is benefiting from long drawn out conflicts in Iraq and Afganhistan.

Stop posting generic links Smeggy pants and start laying out your views properly. Its not a big thing to ask. And if I hear anything more about a defnuct think tank, I think I'm going to scream.

So which paper released by PNAC advocates 'war profit;.

Don't send me to wikipedia... actually tell me...

NO.

You and others are calling me out. Then put your facts where your mouth is. it's upto you to tell me how it's all NONSENSE.

Trojan Jockey has being telling me how the Christian Extremist and zionist Element in the US Adminstration is all nonsense for weeks. Yet he'll never tell me why it's all nonsense. becuase he can't.

I've posted loads of links. And no they're not generic links TDHM. How the fvck is a site dedicated to the theocractical movement in America generic? It's full of information about it.

here's the link again

http://www.theocracywatch.org/

If you want the reasons go and read it. I'm NOT gonna copy and paste a bunch of stuff here just because you can't be bothered to click the links.

Or is it that you really aren't interested and simply being antagonistic? If you really are interested then go and do the research like I am doing. I've given you links to start you off.

If you want proper Adult debate then give an opposing view with real substance, and not just say it's nonsense.

[TDHM]

Its a genertic link! You're expecting me to trawl through a website to prove your case... And sorry but thats not how it works.

I'll prove my case by posting and supporting with evidence.

You just chuck websites about.

So yeah you tell me. You PROVE your point. Actually spend some time on your posts and your arguments. You can always tell the people who don;t value their opinions and arguments that high, because they can never spend any time on them.

I've asked you a question. How has the defense indursty done well out of Iraq and Afghanistan? They've done a bit poorly, as with the majority of their pork barrell, expensive procurement projects have been slashed, canceled and delayed. So tell me, how the Defense industry is doing particularly well out of Low intensity warfare?

[Smeggypants]

Originally Posted by TDHM

Its a genertic link! You're expecting me to trawl through a website to prove your case... And sorry but thats not how it works.

I'll prove my case by posting and supporting with evidence.

You just chuck websites about.

So yeah you tell me. You PROVE your point. Actually spend some time on your posts and your arguments. You can always tell the people who don;t value their opinions and arguments that high, because they can never spend any time on them.

Indeed, so go on then. And no it's not a generic link.

I've asked you a question. How has the defense indursty done well out of Iraq and Afghanistan? They've done a bit poorly, as with the majority of their pork barrell, expensive procurement projects have been slashed, canceled and delayed. So tell me, how the Defense industry is doing particularly well out of Low intensity warfare?

It's a simple case of using up munitions and having to replace them. At the anerican tax payers expense of course. Oh and the upgrading of military installations prior to invading Iraq. And the same prior to invading Iran. and so on

You don't think all this military activity and development of technolgies to continue a global miliatary dominance is done for no profit do you?

Anyone who denies the existence of the American Military Industrial Complex is really being naive IMO.

And what abut the rebuilding of the countries they've flattened? Surely youv'e heard of Halliburton?