[andrewisasecret]

By this i mean the male dressing as female transvestites and not the other way round (although i can't see it happening the other way round really lol).

Should they go in female or male? If they want to be women then they should go into female toilets. Women don't like men seeing them not at their best and in the toilets so thats why men aren't allowed in but surely if they're women on the inside and they are gay men on the outside, it shouldn't matter, should it?

[El Guapo]

Why do you need to know? Have you got something to tell us all?

[lucky74]

Most Transvestites are actually straight men. Transvestites just enjoy dressing in female clothing to some degree.

If you are talking about Transexuals who actually want to become women then yes of course they should use the female toilets.

[trickyvik]

A woman (who used to be a man) at my old work had a key for her own toilet

Seemed a bit off at the time, but I suppose it's awkward to go into the ladies and vice versa.

[liamhere]

Strange Question?????????????????

[Mr Doobeedoobee]

If on a night out they would surely go to the mens because the queue for the ladies would be quite large I would expect.

[Pr1s0n 13reak]

Originally Posted by ahpro

By this i mean the male dressing as female transvestites and not the other way round (although i can't see it happening the other way round really lol).

Should they go in female or male? If they want to be women then they should go into female toilets. Women don't like men seeing them not at their best and in the toilets so thats why men aren't allowed in but surely if they're women on the inside and they are gay men on the outside, it shouldn't matter, should it?

This is a tricky question actually. Also on a slightly related topic, for transsexuals - someone who has had a complete transition (operations and all) from one sex to another and are found guilty of a crime - do they go to a womens or mens prison?

Does anybody know?

[trickyvik]

Originally Posted by Pr1s0n 13reak

This is a tricky question actually. Also on a slightly related topic, for transsexuals - someone who has had a complete transition (operations and all) from one sex to another and are found guilty of a crime - do they go to a womens or mens prison?

Does anybody know?

Good question.......anyone?

Originally Posted by ahpro

(although i can't see it happening the other way round really lol).

Don't know about female to male transvestites but there are certainly transsexual men about.

Should they go in female or male? If they want to be women then they should go into female toilets.

If they are a transvestite then they should go in the male bathrooms. As mentioned before I understand that most transvestites are actually straight men.

If they are a transsexual woman (either pre or post-op) then they should go in the female bathrooms.

That's my opinion anyways.

[indianwells]

Originally Posted by trickyvik

Good question.......anyone?

I believe they would go to a womens prison, there was a bit of a debate on it on the radio a couple of weeks ago.

Originally Posted by trickyvik

Good question.......anyone?

I would assume that if the lady in question is a post-op transsexual woman that they would go to a women's prison. That's not a 100% fact though; I'm just assuming this would be the case.

Where's sarum when you need her?

[sarum]

Originally Posted by Pr1s0n 13reak

This is a tricky question actually. Also on a slightly related topic, for transsexuals - someone who has had a complete transition (operations and all) from one sex to another and are found guilty of a crime - do they go to a womens or mens prison?

Does anybody know?

In the UK, if the transsexual person has been granted a Gender Recognition Certificate, she (or he) is regarded as her (or his) 'new' gender for all legal purposes, and thus a transsexual woman would, on conviction, automatically go to a women's prison, and a transsexual man to a men's prison.
If she (or he) has completed transition, but doesn't have a GRC for whatever reason, technically she would be required to go to a men's prison (or he to a women's prison), although in practice this doesn't happen; the Courts tend to use common sense where the person is post-surgery.

It's a bit more of a nightmare for a transsexual person who hasn't had any surgery though.



(Edit; I'm right here, Bookends...sorry for keeping you waiting...)

[sarum]

Originally Posted by ahpro

By this i mean the male dressing as female transvestites and not the other way round (although i can't see it happening the other way round really lol).

Should they go in female or male? If they want to be women then they should go into female toilets. Women don't like men seeing them not at their best and in the toilets so thats why men aren't allowed in but surely if they're women on the inside and they are gay men on the outside, it shouldn't matter, should it?

This is the perennial question for trans people...which toilet do you, or should you, use?

The simple answer is, if you're presenting as female, whether you're transsexual or a transvestite, you should use the female toilets; if you're presenting as male, you use the male toilets.
This of course is complicated if you aren't sufficiently convincing in your presentation; if you don't 'pass', people can get quite upset, sometimes violently.

If anyone objects, the safe thing to do is to apologise and leave; it's really not worth provoking someone by pointing out that legally, anyone can use any public toilet, regardless of gender, sex, or sexuality.

Many transsexual people (and some transvestites) use disabled facilities in public, to avoid this issue (I have a RADAR/NKS key myself, although I don't really need it anymore ).
Disabled toilets are considered gender-neutral (You can still get abuse though, when a clearly able-bodied person waltzes out of a disabled loo in front of a waiting wheelchair-user, for instance...)

Originally Posted by sarum

(Edit; I'm right here, Bookends...sorry for keeping you waiting...)

No apologies necessary. That was pretty quick!

I might have to apologise to you though. Although I think I may have just about managed to correct my heinous spelling mistake before you spotted it. On both posts as well... *cringe*

[sarum]

Originally Posted by Bookends

No apologies necessary. That was pretty quick!

I might have to apologise to you though. Although I think I may have just about managed to correct my heinous spelling mistake before you spotted it. On both posts as well... *cringe*

I don't bite, you know...and I'm learning to control my pedantic tendencies...

And I'm usually quicker than that...I didn't manage to spot, and reply to, the OP for a whole 35 minutes...

[stud u like]

I use the ladies. Much cleaner and more presentable than the gents.

Originally Posted by sarum

I don't bite, you know...and I'm learning to control my pedantic tendencies...

Never thought you did for a second.

...but I've heard about how a certain spelling error has you sitting firmly on your hands and I didn't want to be responsible for any dislocated fingers or anything. Good to hear you've got it under control though.

Originally Posted by stud u like

I use the ladies. Much cleaner and more presentable than the gents.

Don't blame you. I've heard some horror stories about the gents' loos.

I did inadvertantly wander into the gents down my local pub on one memorable occasion... I was in no fit state to check out the decor at the time though. There was quite a queue outside by the time my cousin managed to actually get me to understand I was in the wrong one and escort me back out though.

The bar staff still remind me about that almost 7 years later.

[sarum]

Originally Posted by Bookends

Never thought you did for a second.

...but I've heard about how a certain spelling error has you sitting firmly on your hands and I didn't want to be responsible for any dislocated fingers or anything. Good to hear you've got it under control though.

LOL...It does still make me twitch, but I'm working on it...

[trickyvik]

Originally Posted by sarum

In the UK, if the transsexual person has been granted a Gender Recognition Certificate, she (or he) is regarded as her (or his) 'new' gender for all legal purposes, and thus a transsexual woman would, on conviction, automatically go to a women's prison, and a transsexual man to a men's prison.
If she (or he) has completed transition, but doesn't have a GRC for whatever reason, technically she would be required to go to a men's prison (or he to a women's prison), although in practice this doesn't happen; the Courts tend to use common sense where the person is post-surgery.

It's a bit more of a nightmare for a transsexual person who hasn't had any surgery though.



(Edit; I'm right here, Bookends...sorry for keeping you waiting...)

I'm pretty sure this girl had her surgery, it was because she worked there as a man and people were uncomfortable with it, I felt it was a bit insulting to her myself.

[sarum]

Originally Posted by trickyvik

I'm pretty sure this girl had her surgery, it was because she worked there as a man and people were uncomfortable with it, I felt it was a bit insulting to her myself.

Some people do get a little uncomfortable; there were one or two at my workplace who weren't very happy about me being in 'their' space at first.

It's not uncommon for a transperson to use separate/disabled toilet facilities for a while at the start of transition;it's a question of discretion and resolving other people's discomfort.

It should always be with her (or his) agreement though, and it shouldn't be regarded as a permanent arrangement.

[Fibber McGee]

Originally Posted by ahpro

By this i mean the male dressing as female transvestites...

A male dressed as a female transvestite would be wearing mens' clothing, no? In fact, I am dressed as a female transvestite at this very moment.

[chris chow]

Which toilet should you use? The nearest probably!

[andrewisasecret]

Originally Posted by Fibber McGee

A male dressed as a female transvestite would be wearing mens' clothing, no? In fact, I am dressed as a female transvestite at this very moment.

Thats why i said that, otherwise i would end up looking like an idiot. I also almost put "female women" at one point aswell.

[simonmoore]

If out in pub or social place why not the disabled one? They are always cleaner than most others any way LOL