[Alrightmate]

They really appear to have thought that the girls would be fighting tooth and claw over Ziggy didn't they?

In all their voice overs and intros they took it as a given that the women would be desperate for men and would practically be fighting over the first man that came along.

Just watching Davina giggling and giving us her smug looks at every mention of this twist was arrogance beyond belief.

They really seem to think that people are that simple and even with all their experts and psychologists and whatnot at hand they genuinely think that the HMs are going to go along with their rather crude plan.

Stick a load of females in on their own. Fair enough. The women get anxious and wonder why there's no men put in. Fair enough.
But they really thought that after a couple of days that the women are going to be sex mad and be desperate to shag the first man on sight?

Why did they think that when just by looking at previous BBs it takes a bit of time for people to get to know each other and pair off.
That's just so incredibly naive and arrogant of them to think that the people would be so simple that they would behave like lab rats.

In previous BBs there was more competition for sexual attention earlier on due to everything being pretty much more or less natural (given the circumstances).
Girls meet boys, boys meet girls, they decide who they like and who they fancy. And that's something that happens from the off without all this twisting crap from the start.

As far as I can see the women were wanting men to come in because they felt a bit weird and disoriented because they didn't expect things to start like this and male company would have felt more comfortable and natural because of what they were expecting.

So BB send in what appears so blatantly to be a stereotype who they believe will obviously, naturally, without a doubt sweep all the women off their feet.

So do all the women want to shag him? Are they all fighting over him?

Not to mention it's assumed that Ziggy will shag anything that moves. Maybe he will. But so far his interest is quite limited, as you'd probably expect due to the fact that it's just one man who will naturally not fancy everybody.

Then to cap it all off BB suddenly try to force the issue by putting everybody under pressure by making the announcement that Ziggy will choose the nominees for eviction.
Did BB seriously expect that these 'simple' people would all try to get off with him to save their skin?
Was this supposed to really get the girls to fancy him more? I mean genuinely fancy him?

Talk about a passion killer.
Suddenly the girls feel under pressure because it feels as though they're being forced to do 'sexy stuff' in a very artificial contrived way.
And it can't be that much fun for Ziggy either who's probably under so much pressure he can hardly get it up.

Was this 'twist' really ever going to work?
Does anybody genuinely feel that it acheived the desired effect?

To me it all felt like one big waste of time.
Putting a 'twist' right at the start was just ridiculous because nobody knew each other and they all needed to familiarise themselves with each other and their surroundings.
There was no dynamic to 'twist' in the first place.

How can you 'twist' something that isn't even there to 'twist' in the first place?

This felt like yet another example of Big Brother interfering too much and getting in the way as opposed to letting people just get on with it and letting human behaviour take it's natural course.
You can't force people to get off with each other in the pushy impatient manner that BB just steamed in with.
It was every bit as ill thought through as anytime they introduce a double bed for some task or something and the two housemates involved are suddenly aware of what BB want them to do.

Ziggy appears to fancy Chanelle a bit, none of the women appear to be that bothered about pairing off with Ziggy.
I think BB expected a big fight over Ziggy between some of the females. I expect that they had the psych show all planned out with a script already written to discuss alpha females, and who 'owns' Ziggy, and marking their territory with piss or something,...but it all seems to be a complete anti-climax really.

What happens next? Well I guess the only thing that's left to do is let the males housemates in as planned.
So I ask myself, "Why the hell didn't they just do this in the first place and get things moving right from the start?"
All this faffing about has done nothing but just wasted time doing something which they may as well have done from day one anyway.

To be honest this is not only another embarrassing cockup to add to BB's ever growing catalogue of supreme balls ups, but it's probably the worst because it was hyped up as something seriously major and flagged up right at the very start.
It might have worked, it was just about possible, but BB always reckon that they can somehow do 'twists' and make them work.
As usual BB executed their 'twist' with the subtlety of a sledghammer and royally ballsed up yet another 'twist'

So I guess we now have to wait for the next stage which is to let the rest of the males in.....like they should have done on day one.
It's a bit of a wasted first week really because the time it would need for the proper dynamics between males and females to form is happening a week later than the actual start date. So we'll have to wait for a while to see what bonds and friendships form over the following week or so and this previous week may as well have not been squandered on some stupid cacky attempt at some big twist.

I don't know what BB expected would really happen with this twist, but I think most people just wanted it to get started properly. Any pairings off or romances will have probably began to show signs of developing right about now anyway, as would natural rivalries or jealousies, and all the twist has really done is delay this by about a week or so.

[Late Romantic]

Yes, I agree BB thought just that.

Also agree that the noms twist made all a bit awkward.

[Toasty]

There was a fight, Channelle won. It was just very very subtle, as most girl fights are.

[ShellyD]

Great post & agree totally

[shellby]

Originally Posted by Toasty

There was a fight, Channelle won. It was just very very subtle, as most girl fights are.

I agree, there has been tension there...thinking of emiluy and charley in particular. if chanelle and ziggy DO pair up - emily and charley's nose will be put out of joint the most.

Emily made a point on her date yesterday of asking for a flower from the vase in the dining...what did she do when she got the aforementioned flower? Pranced around the garden singing I've got a flower...leaving all the other girls thinking that ziggy had offered it. Very cunning... but unfortunately for emily, chanelle seems to be the object of his desire.

[Alrightmate]

Originally Posted by Toasty

There was a fight, Channelle won. It was just very very subtle, as most girl fights are.

It must have been so subtle that the viewers didn't notice it.

The big 'twist' that they hyped up and hoped would draw in the crowds to watch the show was one that was so subtle it was almost invisible.
Big crowd puller that is.

[MsParfum]

Very well thought out post! Makes good sense to me.

[spiralx]

Good post Alrightmate, Davina was certainly bigging this whole thing up, and it's turned out to be pretty tame. Which I don't personally mind, it's suited the tone so far. Ziggy is definitely more canny than his VT or past would indicate at first glance.

[tnny]

I agree somewhat, in that Big Brother this year are so blatantly trying to cause tension. Before they would always be a little more subtle.

[Apple_Crumble]

Most of the female housemates are lukewarm towards him. The only one who really likes him - is clearly Chanelle.

[BMLisa]

Remember BB7.

That was far more inteeresting watching the girls and boys fight over eachother, and the girls having a discussion to dish out the men, with Nikki being "given" George!

It was genius to see the pecking order, with Grace getting first dibs on Mikey, but her and Imogen regularly seen with both Mikey and Sezer early on.

I would have preferred another situation like this where there is too much choice and nobody knows who they want yet!

[kyri]

Davina bigs everything up, that's why i can't stand her. She makes viewers feel like babies IMO.

The twist was rubbish, as was the whole "girl housemates" concept.

First time in Big Brother history...any guesses as to why?

[cherry o]

It might have helped if they had put in less of a "sap" and more of a man. These overly well dressed, vain and washed types are generally not that popular with 18/34 girls / women.

[bingbong]

I think Charley wants to shag him.

The OP pretty well sums up what is wrong with BB8 thus far. The producers now seem obsessed with gimmicks, as if the perfectly good idea of putting strangers into a house to live in close proximity for three months under constant scrutiny from dozens of cameras isn't enough.

The original premise of Big Brother is a great idea which Endemol seem to go out of their way to spoil every year, when just leaving them alone to develop naturally would almost certainly result in the best viewing.

[spiralx]

Originally Posted by bingbong

I think Charley wants to shag him.

No, Charley wants to do anything that will get her in the papers.

What she doesn't realise is that she already is for being such a cow

[Late Romantic]

Originally Posted by Alrightmate

It must have been so subtle that the viewers didn't notice it.

The big 'twist' that they hyped up and hoped would draw in the crowds to watch the show was one that was so subtle it was almost invisible.
Big crowd puller that is.

BB also seemed to think the odd house layout - oven over here, sink way over there, and so on - would irritate and annoy, yet the housemates adapted easily.

I do enjoy the all-female house and Ziggy seems ok, like the subtleties an' so on.

But's hardly a running start for the series.

[RacerWelsh]

We ain't had the nominations for evictions yet......

[Rinkystink]

Ziggy just wasn't attractive enough to woo the women in there. He has something about him....but I think he's an acquired taste!

He's bored the shit out of me so far.

[The_abbott]

Once two (or more) are up then the sh@gging will come!

[backdoor_uk]

Originally Posted by Alrightmate

They really appear to have thought that the girls would be fighting tooth and claw over Ziggy didn't they?

They may have hoped for some tension but I doubt that after only 3 days they expected any full blow warfare or that this was their main reason for putting Ziggy in. I suspect they were more interested in how he would cope and the general shift in group dynamic, which has been interesting to watch

- Chris

[armorium]

quite a few of the female HMs are more interested in the wrap party, magazine deals and future careers

[The_abbott]

I think they have all let Chanelle have him.

[ArtyAttack]

Originally Posted by Rinkystink

He's bored the shit out of me so far.

He doesnt seem to have much about him yet I am guessing that the producers will start focusing the show around the 'burgeoning romance' between him and Channelle in the absence of little else happening. What a pity that he is so boring.

I think Roberto from BB6 would have been great as the lone man in the house. He had the major of advantage of not just being a good looking fella, but he also cooked.

Then again, imagine Science being in Ziggy's place