friends, you have NO idea what bb MANIPULATION can really be... - Big Brother

brazil_nuts · 29-06-2007, 20:40

In no way do I want to sound aggressive or cocky, but the cases you discuss here pale in comparison to the horror that is BBBrazil...let's see....

a. From bbb 3 on, ALL tasks have been clearly manipulated to favour a group or a HM. really, no kidding. We can go down EVERY task which decided Head of Household (we have that crap here, mixed with public voting to off HM's) and we will see blatant cases of manipulation.

b. the producer annually choose who the heroes and the villains will be. ALL HM's ,except the ones chosen in a very suspicious telephone draw ,are young (no one over 32 need to apply), beautiful (never do we get normal people, only model-types), and intellectually-challenged.

The producers invent nicknames and make little cartoons depicting the "evil" ones and constantly show them.

c. The highlight last only five to twenty minutes daily and they only show one or two of the HM's (usually the 'heroes' or the 'villains')

d. the presenter of the show talks to the HM's constantly and shows himself in the house. he gives opinions and suggests what HM's must do. he also constantly chastizes them if they don't act a certain way.

e. there is no respect for the chronological arrangements of events. they show events out of order, and they edit them crassly, just to "prove a point" to the audience.

f. the "heroes" are allowed to leave the house, talk to people, be applauded by the masses and then return to the house with all the knowledge gathered in the outside world...what a difference from Vanessa's Tommy-esque situation when twisting her ankle!

so, i believe the British Public has a much more fair game than we do here...

just my 2 pennies worth...

cheers,
chico

maddybee · 29-06-2007, 20:42

it is the same with BB australia. we dont know how lucky we r!

Meesta Marzipan · 29-06-2007, 20:56

Perhaps we should all switch to the BB USA style then. Don't get the public involved as they clearly don't know their arse from their elbow, let alone who's important for the series or not, and allow nominations talk as no HM ever gives a damn about the "no noms talk" rule anyway, nor will they ever do so in future.

mitacond · 29-06-2007, 20:59

For goodness sake this is a Reality TV programme and it is just fun. We love discussing the hms and our favs.

Alex91 · 29-06-2007, 21:07

The UK system sounds the best

But obviously, it would be

Denise · 29-06-2007, 21:08

Brazil_nuts, do you get live feed as well, or do you only get to see heavily edited highlights?

It does sound as if yours is too heavily manipulated and takes away the real game of it all.

Poochland · 29-06-2007, 21:11

So was your version set up under the remit of "reality" TV ?

brazil_nuts · 29-06-2007, 21:16

first of all, thanks for the swift replies...

I don't advocate going to the US format, much on the contrary...I wish the Brazilian programme was as wonderful as the British (which I am completely addicted to, even living here with the timezone thing...)...

I wish ours was as rigorous as yours in terms of game play and rules...BUT i would let them discuss nominations. It's a natural element of such a game, and making it taboo, in my opinion, takes a bit out of the "game" aspect, and never really makes it a "social experiment" because playing games and competing ARE parts of social life.

I regards to live feed, we have it too,,but.... (there is always a but, innit?)

a. players don't HAVE to wake up with alarms,,,and almost every bloody night they get parties...(BTW, they never have food tasks...they just get loads of food without working for it). The live feed are basically a whole day with idiots sleeping...and

b. cameras focusing only on the "heroes"...sometimes the "villains" and never the others

The last two, I bought. I felt sooooooo ripped off.

mind you, they don't do sound dips...they just switch the cam to other people talking...

cheers,
chico.

brazil_nuts · 29-06-2007, 21:17

POOCHLAND:

they DO dare sell it as reality tv...

willywonker · 29-06-2007, 21:19

Thanks for that and by the sounds of it ours is slowly going the same way

Poochland · 29-06-2007, 21:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by brazil_nuts

POOCHLAND:

they DO dare sell it as reality tv...

And do people fall for that? People do here

Sounds like the live feed is more watchable in Brazil (as long as you want to watch the people being filmed).

MelBlanc22 · 29-06-2007, 21:20

We always moan about ours but ours is brilliance in comparison!

Meesta Marzipan · 29-06-2007, 21:29

What are eviction crowds in Brazil like? Are they told to chant, and chant certain words? Are certain banners regularly confiscated?

fredthespider · 29-06-2007, 21:34

That's interesting to know. Shame we moan so much. The girl who plays Sky in 'neighbours' said the Austrailian version was very tame compared to ours on bblb too.

Meesta Marzipan · 29-06-2007, 21:39

I thought I read somewhere about Australian BB deducting the prize fund everytime someone sang a commercial song in the house....... is that true????

brazil_nuts · 29-06-2007, 21:41

there are no crowds....what they do is to invite family members of the two (only two are ever up for eviction -- one nominated by HoH and the other by inside voting) for the eviction night.

there is no conflict, no chanting apart from "hooray, XXXX will win" sort-of-thing... when there aren't any available family members or flying them would be really expensive, they just hire some hungry mobs and tell them to cheer randomly...booing is totally prohibited.

can you lot see why i have tried out for YOUR programme via the internet?

cheers,
chico

Denise · 29-06-2007, 21:42

In the Brazilian BB, do they make it difficult for the housemates like ours and mess with their heads to cause reaction, or are they mainly left to just do their own thing?

luckyeight · 29-06-2007, 21:44

Thanks OP for very interesting post/thread.

Poochland · 29-06-2007, 21:47

Yes thanks Chico.

have you ever seen our early BBs? It might put our moaning into perspective?

brazil_nuts · 29-06-2007, 21:54

(eight) thank you for the kind feedback...

(denise)... nothing...nothing at all...no tasks, no weird mind-f***s, no secret missions,,,nothing nothing nothing...

the only time you see anything a bit more challenging is when you have the competition for HoH, albeit most of them are lucky draws (yuck!).

they rig the competition so blatantly it's shocking.
I'll give you a few examples...

when all of the GBP (general brazilian public) was endeared by the 'poverty' stories of Mara in bbb6, some HM's decided she was playing the poor card and wanted her to face eviction. Guess what BB does? they make the HoH task one in which HM's had to carry buckets of water on their heads for X hours.... (detail: she was a "clothes-washer" .. do you have this job in the UK?.. and carrying buckets on her head was second-nature).......

the other times are "resistance" tasks where they have to sit still or press a button for ages, etc. Mysteriously, it seems, all of the 'villain' buttons always work perfectly while the "heroes" never seem to .... so, when Diego, in bbb7, failed miserably to keep his light on, it was the machine's fault and he was allowed to return THREE hours after the rest of the competitors had started... needless to say, he won HoH and was allowed to save his "girlfriend" in the house...

etc. etc. etc.

I WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN BBUK 9 !!!! ahahahhahahaha

(i would definitely become a "villain" in bbb 9 ahahahah)

cheers,
chico

29-06-2007, 20:40	#1
brazil_nuts Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 135	friends, you have NO idea what bb MANIPULATION can really be... In no way do I want to sound aggressive or cocky, but the cases you discuss here pale in comparison to the horror that is BBBrazil...let's see.... a. From bbb 3 on, ALL tasks have been clearly manipulated to favour a group or a HM. really, no kidding. We can go down EVERY task which decided Head of Household (we have that crap here, mixed with public voting to off HM's) and we will see blatant cases of manipulation. b. the producer annually choose who the heroes and the villains will be. ALL HM's ,except the ones chosen in a very suspicious telephone draw ,are young (no one over 32 need to apply), beautiful (never do we get normal people, only model-types), and intellectually-challenged. The producers invent nicknames and make little cartoons depicting the "evil" ones and constantly show them. c. The highlight last only five to twenty minutes daily and they only show one or two of the HM's (usually the 'heroes' or the 'villains') d. the presenter of the show talks to the HM's constantly and shows himself in the house. he gives opinions and suggests what HM's must do. he also constantly chastizes them if they don't act a certain way. e. there is no respect for the chronological arrangements of events. they show events out of order, and they edit them crassly, just to "prove a point" to the audience. f. the "heroes" are allowed to leave the house, talk to people, be applauded by the masses and then return to the house with all the knowledge gathered in the outside world...what a difference from Vanessa's Tommy-esque situation when twisting her ankle! so, i believe the British Public has a much more fair game than we do here... just my 2 pennies worth... cheers, chico

29-06-2007, 21:16	#8
brazil_nuts Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 135	commenting on comments... first of all, thanks for the swift replies... I don't advocate going to the US format, much on the contrary...I wish the Brazilian programme was as wonderful as the British (which I am completely addicted to, even living here with the timezone thing...)... I wish ours was as rigorous as yours in terms of game play and rules...BUT i would let them discuss nominations. It's a natural element of such a game, and making it taboo, in my opinion, takes a bit out of the "game" aspect, and never really makes it a "social experiment" because playing games and competing ARE parts of social life. I regards to live feed, we have it too,,but.... (there is always a but, innit?) a. players don't HAVE to wake up with alarms,,,and almost every bloody night they get parties...(BTW, they never have food tasks...they just get loads of food without working for it). The live feed are basically a whole day with idiots sleeping...and b. cameras focusing only on the "heroes"...sometimes the "villains" and never the others The last two, I bought. I felt sooooooo ripped off. mind you, they don't do sound dips...they just switch the cam to other people talking... cheers, chico.

29-06-2007, 21:41	#16
brazil_nuts Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 135	meesta marzipan: there are no crowds....what they do is to invite family members of the two (only two are ever up for eviction -- one nominated by HoH and the other by inside voting) for the eviction night. there is no conflict, no chanting apart from "hooray, XXXX will win" sort-of-thing... when there aren't any available family members or flying them would be really expensive, they just hire some hungry mobs and tell them to cheer randomly...booing is totally prohibited. can you lot see why i have tried out for YOUR programme via the internet? cheers, chico

29-06-2007, 21:54	#20
brazil_nuts Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 135	Denise, and eight... (eight) thank you for the kind feedback... (denise)... nothing...nothing at all...no tasks, no weird mind-f***s, no secret missions,,,nothing nothing nothing... the only time you see anything a bit more challenging is when you have the competition for HoH, albeit most of them are lucky draws (yuck!). they rig the competition so blatantly it's shocking. I'll give you a few examples... when all of the GBP (general brazilian public) was endeared by the 'poverty' stories of Mara in bbb6, some HM's decided she was playing the poor card and wanted her to face eviction. Guess what BB does? they make the HoH task one in which HM's had to carry buckets of water on their heads for X hours.... (detail: she was a "clothes-washer" .. do you have this job in the UK?.. and carrying buckets on her head was second-nature)....... the other times are "resistance" tasks where they have to sit still or press a button for ages, etc. Mysteriously, it seems, all of the 'villain' buttons always work perfectly while the "heroes" never seem to .... so, when Diego, in bbb7, failed miserably to keep his light on, it was the machine's fault and he was allowed to return THREE hours after the rest of the competitors had started... needless to say, he won HoH and was allowed to save his "girlfriend" in the house... etc. etc. etc. I WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN BBUK 9 !!!! ahahahhahahaha (i would definitely become a "villain" in bbb 9 ahahahah) cheers, chico

29-06-2007, 20:42	#2
maddybee Banned User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 277	it is the same with BB australia. we dont know how lucky we r!

29-06-2007, 20:56	#3
Meesta Marzipan Banned User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,357	Perhaps we should all switch to the BB USA style then. Don't get the public involved as they clearly don't know their arse from their elbow, let alone who's important for the series or not, and allow nominations talk as no HM ever gives a damn about the "no noms talk" rule anyway, nor will they ever do so in future.

29-06-2007, 20:59	#4
mitacond Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 54,559	For goodness sake this is a Reality TV programme and it is just fun. We love discussing the hms and our favs.

29-06-2007, 21:07	#5
Alex91 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Blackpool! , UK Posts: 7,933	The UK system sounds the best But obviously, it would be

29-06-2007, 21:08	#6
Denise Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hampshire Posts: 5,462	Brazil_nuts, do you get live feed as well, or do you only get to see heavily edited highlights? It does sound as if yours is too heavily manipulated and takes away the real game of it all.

29-06-2007, 21:11	#7
Poochland Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Services: Sky HD Posts: 4,462	So was your version set up under the remit of "reality" TV ?

29-06-2007, 21:17	#9
brazil_nuts Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 135	POOCHLAND: they DO dare sell it as reality tv...

29-06-2007, 21:19	#10
willywonker Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 10,337	Thanks for that and by the sounds of it ours is slowly going the same way

29-06-2007, 21:20	#12
MelBlanc22 Banned User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: London Services: Team Charley Posts: 3,248	We always moan about ours but ours is brilliance in comparison!

29-06-2007, 21:29	#13
Meesta Marzipan Banned User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,357	What are eviction crowds in Brazil like? Are they told to chant, and chant certain words? Are certain banners regularly confiscated?

29-06-2007, 21:34	#14
fredthespider Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 276	That's interesting to know. Shame we moan so much. The girl who plays Sky in 'neighbours' said the Austrailian version was very tame compared to ours on bblb too.

29-06-2007, 21:39	#15
Meesta Marzipan Banned User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,357	I thought I read somewhere about Australian BB deducting the prize fund everytime someone sang a commercial song in the house....... is that true????

29-06-2007, 21:42	#17
Denise Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hampshire Posts: 5,462	In the Brazilian BB, do they make it difficult for the housemates like ours and mess with their heads to cause reaction, or are they mainly left to just do their own thing?

29-06-2007, 21:44	#18
luckyeight Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 925	Thanks OP for very interesting post/thread.

29-06-2007, 21:47	#19
Poochland Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Services: Sky HD Posts: 4,462	Yes thanks Chico. have you ever seen our early BBs? It might put our moaning into perspective?