[fugitive]

i at least thought there would have been on an onscreen message for those less technically minded people, and for older people who may not understand maybe saying "BBC2 analogue had ceased broadcasting. ITV, C4 and Five will cease on2 December. If you havent switched to digital Tv please do so as soon as possible for more help ring 0845........"

[ResidentSD]

Originally Posted by The Wizard

According to my signal strength levels after I did my retune they are the same at it was before. I'm getting about 88% on BBC1 so nothing has changed yet. Maybe they will up the power after stage 2 in December. I'm hoping that channels like ITV2 will be in higher quality too. What's the point in having a HDTV when they are transmitting a highly compressed signal which pixelates all the time.

Unfortunately, the quality (or lack thereof) of channels like ITV2 is nothing to do with signal strength. It's down to how ITV have chosen to use the bandwidth on the multiplex, so the switchover won't make any difference to that I'm afraid.

[The Wizard]

Originally Posted by fugitive

i at least thought there would have been on an onscreen message for those less technically minded people, and for older people who may not understand maybe saying "BBC2 analogue had ceased broadcasting. ITV, C4 and Five will cease on2 December. If you havent switched to digital Tv please do so as soon as possible for more help ring 0845........"

There was on OSD last night saying we needed to retune but not today for some reason. I'm pulling in from Winter Hill from East Cheshire and have managed to pick up BBC NW without the extra Welsh channels. Perhaps it only affects people further west that might be picking up a signal from another transmitter.

[television2004]

Originally Posted by Triple-P

pmsl

you had a long tim to prepare for this, you only got your self to blame.

who the hell still watches analogue tv! just get a freeview box.

im at university halls and i get sky tv for free in the lounge! get with the times.

Everyone watches analogue TV its what you see! The analogue signal is converted to digital for transmission ( save on bandwidth).The digital box converts this digital signal to analogue so you can see it!

The digital mode we are being forced to use now is also an obsolete system so get with the times!

[The Wizard]

Originally Posted by ResidentSD

Unfortunately, the quality of channels like ITV2 is nothing to do with signal strength - it's down to how ITV have chosen to use the bandwidth on the multiplex, so the switchover won't make any difference to that I'm afraid.

Yes I realised that but wasn't the point in getting rid of analogue to free up more bandwith to allow for higher quality transmissions like the introduction of HD channels on freeview?

I thought that when all analogue channels are switched off they will make use of the newly available frequencies to increase bandwith and free up space on existing mux's for low quality (compressed) channels like ITV2 and make room for more multiplexes for channels like BBC HD and possibly a dedicated BBC Sports channel.

[ResidentSD]

Originally Posted by The Wizard

Yes I realised that but wasn't the point in getting rid of analogue to free up more bandwith to allow for higher quality transmissions like the introduction of HD channels on freeview?

I thought that when all analogue channels are switched off they will make use of the newly available frequencies to increase bandwith and free up space on existing mux's for low quality (compressed) channels like ITV2 and make room for more multiplexes for channels like BBC HD and possibly a dedicated BBC Sports channel.

Right now there are no plans to add any additional multiplexes to Freeview. The HD channels are only being added by taking up one of the existing multiplexes. Unfortunately, the low quality channels are here to stay (and with Aqiva advertising two new channel slots, the chances are more channels will broadcast at lower quality to fit them in unfortunately).

It's all quantity over quality unfortunately.

[Bill Clinton]

This is how BBC TWO analogue ended its Winter Hill life after broadcasting for over 40 years in analogue format.
It just went off literally like flicking a switch in the middle of something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYoAF3qw5NI

I'd like to make a suggestion that they make more of an occasion out of the switch off. My suggestion would be to make a small 20 minute documentary about the history of television and analogue with a look ahead to the future of TV and to air that only on the analogue channel in the final half hour before the switch off. This would be a great way to mark the point in broadcasting history.

[The Wizard]

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

This is how BBC TWO analogue ended its Winter Hill life after broadcasting for over 40 years in analogue format.
It just went off literally like flicking a switch in the middle of something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYoAF3qw5NI

I'd like to make a suggestion that they make more of an occasion out of the switch off. My suggestion would be to make a small 20 minute documentary about the history of television and analogue with a look ahead to the future of TV and to air that only on the analogue channel in the final half hour before the switch off. This would be a great way to mark the point in broadcasting history.

I agree. It just seemed like a total disregard didn't it? It does seem a bit of an insult to a channel that's given people decades of happy programming. OK I know it's not actually gone off air per say but I think they should have at least had an Ident saying something like

"BBC2 Has now moved to Freeview Channel 2. Thankyou for watching BBC2. Now please retune your digibox to continue watching this channel."

My dad thought there was a problem with his setup cos it just went off in the middle of of the news without any warning. He called me up to ask whether I was having the same problem so I told him about the retune.

For BBC1 i'd like to see exactly what you just said followed by the old fashioned BBC clock counting down with a voice over thanking everyone for watching BBC1 for all these years. "We'll see you tomorrow on digital," followed by a polite, "Goodnight, and don't forget to retune your your digital set top box." Cut to Ident which will be in place for about a day giving people time to retune their STB.

[DVDfever]

Originally Posted by Triple-P

pmsl

As per the posting tips, "please don't use 'txt spk'".

you had a long tim to prepare for this, you only got your self to blame.

And I'm not saying I haven't in the majority of cases, but I didn't know until this major change came that it would affect the Nokia boxes, so there's no need to be so rude.

who the hell still watches analogue tv! just get a freeview box.

I'm not saying I use it in all rooms where there's a TV but on occasion it can be helpful for a variety of reasons.

im at university halls and i get sky tv for free in the lounge! get with the times.

Well, lucky you. When I was at Uni we didn't even have an internet connection in our own rooms, but at least we weren't so offhand to others.

We also started sentences with capital letters.

[PeterB]

Originally Posted by Bill Clinton

This is how BBC TWO analogue ended its Winter Hill life after broadcasting for over 40 years in analogue format.
It just went off literally like flicking a switch in the middle of something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYoAF3qw5NI

I'd like to make a suggestion that they make more of an occasion out of the switch off. My suggestion would be to make a small 20 minute documentary about the history of television and analogue with a look ahead to the future of TV and to air that only on the analogue channel in the final half hour before the switch off. This would be a great way to mark the point in broadcasting history.

You make it sound like Winter Hill is the only main transmitter to be switched off. It's all over the UK, some already, some in the future.

[DVDfever]

Originally Posted by mossy2103

Congratulations. As ever, the master of the over-statement. At least you have found something else to complain about - even though this switchoff has been well-publicised to quite a few years, and with you being so keenly interested in all things TV and broadcasting, I'm surprised that this has taken you by surprise in that your old (there is a clue there) Nokia box has now ceased to be serviceable. Was it the NIT issue perhaps?

NIT? I presume this is something to do with the mode of broadcasting for those channels it can no longer receive?

I've got a query to ask you as you may know the answer to this. I've got a 14" 4:3 CRT TV in the kitchen which is obviously analogue-only. For some reason it's been able to pick up the RF signal from one of my Nokia boxes, even though the box is upstairs and not directly above the kitchen. The TV also can't pick up the other Nokia box even when it was in the same place.

Anyway, Nokia box aside, I don't have a wired aerial in the kitchen (where the TV is in the kitchen would involve the lead coming round the house and back through the kitchen across my worktop and looking bloody horrible as a result so I'd like to avoid that if I can) but a while ago I tried hooking up my Digihome Freeview box (which has survived the retune today) to it with its own TV aerial and it couldn't get any of the Freeview channels.

I then bought a £15 indoor aerial that's supposed to be suitable for digital TV and that made no difference, so I took that back,

My question is - once DSO is complete in my area, or at least now with the BBC channels that have changed broadcasting mode today, will the signals be strong enough to work with a £15 indoor aerial? Ta.

[stevieg_8707]

Originally Posted by DVDfever

My question is - once DSO is complete in my area, or at least now with the BBC channels that have changed broadcasting mode today, will the signals be strong enough to work with a £15 indoor aerial? Ta.

I guess it all depends on your own set up, but to give you an idea, I use a One For All amplified indoor aerial that I paid £30 for sometime ago, I always have it on full power and picks up all channels with a bit of freezing here and there. Since I've retuned this morning, on the new High powered BBC MUX I've been able to turn the power down by about half on it whilst the picture is still there and no freezing.

I had to retune another STB today that uses an indoor aerial that varies and doesn't pick up all channels, I retuned with that and it picked up the High power BBC MUX with no problems at all, prior to today I couldn't get the BBC channels on it.

[DVDfever]

Originally Posted by stevieg_8707

I guess it all depends on your own set up, but to give you an idea, I use a One For All amplified indoor aerial that I paid £30 for sometime ago, I always have it on full power and picks up all channels with a bit of freezing here and there.

Do you know the model number, please? I saw a few from them on Amazon so want to make sure I'm getting the right one. Ta.

[Rossall]

Originally Posted by DVDfever

Welcome to Third World Britain.

With better reception and more channels. Someone better call Oxfam.

[mossy2103]

Originally Posted by The Wizard

I agree. It just seemed like a total disregard didn't it? It does seem a bit of an insult to a channel that's given people decades of happy programming. OK I know it's not actually gone off air per say but I think they should have at least had an Ident saying something like

"BBC2 Has now moved to Freeview Channel 2. Thankyou for watching BBC2. Now please retune your digibox to continue watching this channel."

My dad thought there was a problem with his setup cos it just went off in the middle of of the news without any warning. He called me up to ask whether I was having the same problem so I told him about the retune.

For BBC1 i'd like to see exactly what you just said followed by the old fashioned BBC clock counting down with a voice over thanking everyone for watching BBC1 for all these years. "We'll see you tomorrow on digital," followed by a polite, "Goodnight, and don't forget to retune your your digital set top box." Cut to Ident which will be in place for about a day giving people time to retune their STB.

Get a grip guys - it's not as if BBC2 went off the air and "ceased to be".

[mossy2103]

Originally Posted by DVDfever

NIT? I presume this is something to do with the mode of broadcasting for those channels it can no longer receive?

Network Information Table, where the operators had to split the existing Network Table to allow for more channels to be accomodated. A number of older boxes could not cope with this change and would cease to work once retuned, a problem commonly referred to as the split NIT problem:

http://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/R...topped-working

I've got a query to ask you as you may know the answer to this. I've got a 14" 4:3 CRT TV in the kitchen which is obviously analogue-only. For some reason it's been able to pick up the RF signal from one of my Nokia boxes, even though the box is upstairs and not directly above the kitchen. The TV also can't pick up the other Nokia box even when it was in the same place.

Anyway, Nokia box aside, I don't have a wired aerial in the kitchen (where the TV is in the kitchen would involve the lead coming round the house and back through the kitchen across my worktop and looking bloody horrible as a result so I'd like to avoid that if I can) but a while ago I tried hooking up my Digihome Freeview box (which has survived the retune today) to it with its own TV aerial and it couldn't get any of the Freeview channels.

I then bought a £15 indoor aerial that's supposed to be suitable for digital TV and that made no difference, so I took that back,

My question is - once DSO is complete in my area, or at least now with the BBC channels that have changed broadcasting mode today, will the signals be strong enough to work with a £15 indoor aerial? Ta.

I cannot give a definitive answer (as each area is going to be a bit different, and internal reception conditions will also vary), but once DSO is complete, the power of the muxes will be increased, so there is a better chance of indoor reception.

Your RF reception from an unconnected Nokia box sounds like some sort of bad RF screening allowing that box's RF to be received on the TV downstairs (I think anyway).

[stevieg_8707]

Originally Posted by DVDfever

Do you know the model number, please? I saw a few from them on Amazon so want to make sure I'm getting the right one. Ta.

SV9365 R00, I got mine from Argos about 18 months ago, it does the job well and hopefully it should be all a-ok after switchover.

[DVDfever]

Originally Posted by mossy2103

Get a grip guys - it's not as if BBC2 went off the air and "ceased to be".

You can't deny it's a definitive moment in broadcasting and deserved more respect than it received by cutting that bloke off mid-senten...

[mossy2103]

Originally Posted by DVDfever

You can't deny it's a definitive moment in broadcasting and deserved more respect than it received by cutting that bloke off mid-senten...

Not if you habitually view on DTT nowadays and never switch to analogue! In that respect, you would not have been aware of it at all. In truth, I wonder how many people would have been at all interested anyway?

[DVDfever]

Originally Posted by mossy2103

Network Information Table, where the operators had to split the existing Network Table to allow for more channels to be accomodated. A number of older boxes could not cope with this change and would cease to work once retuned, a problem commonly referred to as the split NIT problem:

http://www.freeview.co.uk/freeview/R...topped-working

Ta for the link. I like this scientific study (not):
"The majority of homes will be totally unaffected as this only affects people who bought some of the early models of digital Freeview products (0.1% of Freeview boxes)."

0.1%? Given that my Nokia's been working for 10 years and more recent ones seem to die after 2 years, I think I can see which ones were better-built!

I cannot give a definitive answer (as each area is going to be a bit different, and internal reception conditions will also vary), but once DSO is complete, the power of the muxes will be increased, so there is a better chance of indoor reception.

Your RF reception from an unconnected Nokia box sounds like some sort of bad RF screening allowing that box's RF to be received on the TV downstairs (I think anyway).

Now that's the kind of manufacturing cock-up I like!

[PeterB]

Originally Posted by DVDfever

You can't deny it's a definitive moment in broadcasting and deserved more respect than it received by cutting that bloke off mid-senten...

Only in your area.

[Digifriendly]

Originally Posted by VirginMediaPhil

Strange, after re-tuning my equipment today, BBC One Wales and BBC Two Wales appeared on channels 898 and 899. (I'm in the Granada region).

What I meant was that BBC2 England digitally has no regional variations - it is the one channel throughout England unlike its analogue counterpart which was regionalised. Fact that you can pick up BBC2W in England as has been pointed out is due to stronger digital signals being picked up from Wales which is a different matter altogether.

[MODTL]

I am still on analogue in my room and now all I get is BBC 1, ITV 1, S4C, Channel 4 and five.
Will have to watch Top Gear on my DVB-T USB tuner or on iPlayer.

Roll on Christmas and a new digital TV.q

[stevieg_8707]

Originally Posted by MODTL

I am still on analogue in my room and now all I get is BBC 1, ITV 1, S4C, Channel 4 and five.
Will have to watch Top Gear on my DVB-T USB tuner or on iPlayer.

Roll on Christmas and a new digital TV.q

Presuming you're watching from Moel-Y Parc or Llandonna you'll lose BBC1, ITV1, S4C and Five before Christmas, probably before the end of this month.

But once they're switched off the DTT signal should improve greatly on your USB tuner.

[womer_uk]

Originally Posted by dids858

What will the BBC do now they wont be able to show the Superleague show on certain weeks on BBC2 analogue.

No doubt they will axe it.

The BBC has promised that as from next seasons Super League season, The Super League Show will be broadcast on BBC 1 in the north on a sunday afternoon