FA Cup Rights (merged) - Broadcasting

tezza71 · 03-08-2009, 11:14

hi any news on setantas fa cup rights

linkinpark875 · 03-08-2009, 11:15

No but I hope Sky Sports win them.

DejaVoodoo · 03-08-2009, 11:20

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Originally Posted by linkinpark875

No but I hope Sky Sports win them.

Oh Linkin.

adam241 · 03-08-2009, 15:47

Just seen an advert for the community shield Man utd v Chelsea on sunday, featuring Chelsea's goal in the FA Cup final and Chelsea lifting the trophy. So they are allowed to show some of the coverage from the final even thoguh they do not have the rights.

tezza71 · 03-08-2009, 16:17

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Originally Posted by adam241

Just seen an advert for the community shield Man utd v Chelsea on sunday, featuring Chelsea's goal in the FA Cup final and Chelsea lifting the trophy. So they are allowed to show some of the coverage from the final even thoguh they do not have the rights.

sky have the rights for this match ,was announced last week

fallacy · 03-08-2009, 16:22

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Originally Posted by tezza71

sky have the rights for this match ,was announced last week

But they don't have the rights for the FA Cup, highlights included, which was the OP's point.

dsweetenham · 03-08-2009, 17:17

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Originally Posted by adam241

Just seen an advert for the community shield Man utd v Chelsea on sunday, featuring Chelsea's goal in the FA Cup final and Chelsea lifting the trophy. So they are allowed to show some of the coverage from the final even thoguh they do not have the rights.

I believe the Community Shield rights entitle SKY to X number of seconds of FA Cup footage for promotion etc.

adam241 · 03-08-2009, 17:26

thought so

linkinpark875 · 04-08-2009, 13:19

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Originally Posted by dsweetenham

I believe the Community Shield rights entitle SKY to X number of seconds of FA Cup footage for promotion etc.

That game will be on Sky Sports 2 on Sunday it seems.

Zac Quinn · 04-08-2009, 13:23

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Originally Posted by linkinpark875

That game will be on Sky Sports 2 on Sunday it seems.

Yes. It would be on Sky Sports 1 if there wasn't an ever so slightly higher-profile event this weekend...

linkinpark875 · 04-08-2009, 13:27

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Originally Posted by Zac Quinn

Yes. It would be on Sky Sports 1 if there wasn't an ever so slightly higher-profile event this weekend...

I won't be watching the Cricket.

tvphil · 06-08-2009, 10:50

I expect Sky and ESPN will battle it out for the available FA Cup rights.

I am sure the BBC will be desperate to get some access to the FA Cup back too though. So, perhaps we will end up with a 3 way split of the rights like the last time ITV had live rights in the late 90s??

Back then, ITV & Sky each had live games with highlights on BBC Match of the Day.

GeorgeS · 06-08-2009, 11:04

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Originally Posted by tvphil

I expect Sky and ESPN will battle it out for the available FA Cup rights.

I am sure the BBC will be desperate to get some access to the FA Cup back too though. So, perhaps we will end up with a 3 way split of the rights like the last time ITV had live rights in the late 90s??

Back then, ITV & Sky each had live games with highlights on BBC Match of the Day.

If the BBC get rights, ITV could possible sue as they were sold exclusive FTA rights

tvphil · 06-08-2009, 11:56

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Originally Posted by GeorgeS

If the BBC get rights, ITV could possible sue as they were sold exclusive FTA rights

Are you sure?

If that is true, couldn't ITV have sued Setanta for showing the FA Cup final FTA last season? Although this might have been a special case as it is a listed event and STV decided in their wisdom not to bother showing it.

Anyway, I imagine if the rights do end up getting carved up 3 ways similarly to how they were in the late 90s this would have to be with ITV agreement.

Steve Williams · 06-08-2009, 12:28

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Originally Posted by tvphil

If that is true, couldn't ITV have sued Setanta for showing the FA Cup final FTA last season? Although this might have been a special case as it is a listed event and STV decided in their wisdom not to bother showing it.

I think Setanta showing the Cup Final free to air wasn't a problem as a) it wasn't free on Freeview and b) they didn't promote it that heavily. And it got virtually no viewers anyway so the casual audience either didn't realise it was FTA, or saw no reason to choose Setanta's coverage.

But if the Cup Final was on the BBC, ITV's audience for the final would collapse because it'd be available to every viewer in Britain, unlike Setanta, and the casual audience would no doubt choose their coverage over ITV's. So ITV would be massively against that. The only alternative is for the Beeb to get some rights but not allow them to show the final live, but I don't think that'd be a deal many broadcasters would be happy with.

tvphil · 06-08-2009, 12:29

I don't think that it has been announced anywhere whether ITV has taken up its first refusal for the (ex-Setanta)England friendlies either. My guess is that this will be sorted out together with the outcome of the FA Cup deal.

mikey1980 · 06-08-2009, 12:37

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Originally Posted by GeorgeS

If the BBC get rights, ITV could possible sue as they were sold exclusive FTA rights

There's already plenty of good football available FTA, so ideally, the best thing would be for Setanta's rights to go to either Sky or ESPN. I'd have thought ESPN would be the favourites to get it - and they need it more than Sky do. The sticking point is the cost. ESPN are far less inclined to throw money around than Setanta were, and will be determined to get a cut-price deal.

tvphil · 06-08-2009, 12:50

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Originally Posted by Steve Williams

But if the Cup Final was on the BBC, ITV's audience for the final would collapse because it'd be available to every viewer in Britain, unlike Setanta, and the casual audience would no doubt choose their coverage over ITV's. So ITV would be massively against that. The only alternative is for the Beeb to get some rights but not allow them to show the final live, but I don't think that'd be a deal many broadcasters would be happy with.

Yes there is no way ITV would agree to go head-to-head against the BBC for LIVE coverage of the FA Cup final.

That is not to say they would necessarily be against the BBC showing highlights or even perhaps a small number of live games in earlier rounds. This would probably save ITV some money, which they may want to do to offset the additional cost of the ex-Setanta England friendlies??

All pure speculation of course, and we will have to wait and see what happpens.

The Wanderer · 06-08-2009, 13:48

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Originally Posted by tvphil

I don't think that it has been announced anywhere whether ITV has taken up its first refusal for the (ex-Setanta)England friendlies either. My guess is that this will be sorted out together with the outcome of the FA Cup deal.

They're showing a game in September against either Slovenia or Slovakia (I ALWAYS get the two mixed up) which would have been on Setanta

Source was an article on the ITV website. If anyone wants the link to it, I'll try and look.

tvphil · 06-08-2009, 14:15

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Originally Posted by The Wanderer

They're showing a game in September against either Slovenia or Slovakia (I ALWAYS get the two mixed up) which would have been on Setanta

Source was an article on the ITV website. If anyone wants the link to it, I'll try and look.

I could not find that on itv.com.

According to http://www.live-footballontv.com/liv...all-on-tv.html it is still to be decided.

Sat 5th Sep England V Slovenia International Friendly TBC TBC

ITV alreaady have rights to the highlights of course.

England did beat Slovakia 4 - 0 back in March which was live on ITV.

tiny_tim · 06-08-2009, 14:23

I would be surprised if these rights ended up anywhere other than ESPN.

It would be a nice luxury for Sky if they got them back but it probably wouldn't result in more than a handful of extra subscriptions. ESPN's need is surely greater, it's just a question of how much they're prepared to pay. Ultimately the FA surely won't risk having the rights go unsold, devaluing the competition?

The Wanderer · 06-08-2009, 18:08

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Originally Posted by tvphil

I could not find that on itv.com.

According to http://www.live-footballontv.com/liv...all-on-tv.html it is still to be decided.

Sat 5th Sep England V Slovenia International Friendly TBC TBC

ITV alreaady have rights to the highlights of course.

England did beat Slovakia 4 - 0 back in March which was live on ITV.

http://www.itv.com/sport/football/ne...450359612.html

"With friendlies against Holland and Slovakia in August and September picked up by ITV at £2million-a-game as agreed in the original contract"

Although England play Slovenia in September. I didn't write that article!

eljmayes · 06-08-2009, 23:42

Sky may play hardball if they know that ESPN don't want the rights bidding high enough to be reasonable (way above what the BBC could afford) but not paying a fortune.

The FA would be sensible to allow Sky/ESPN/BBC to bid for just two games per round as Sky seem to be showing Championship games on Fridays now, and from next year perhaps Monday night Premier League coverage. ESPN have commitments across the weekend as well so it would be tricky to schedule three games per weekend. The BBC could bid for the rights (I think) but again three games a weekend would be difficult to schedule- plus ITV would be miffed at paying massively over the odds for pretty much the same rights.

tvphil · 07-08-2009, 07:32

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Originally Posted by The Wanderer

http://www.itv.com/sport/football/ne...450359612.html

"With friendlies against Holland and Slovakia in August and September picked up by ITV at £2million-a-game as agreed in the original contract"

Although England play Slovenia in September. I didn't write that article!

Thankyou. £2m for an England friendly seems very expensive.

tiny_tim · 07-08-2009, 08:46

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Originally Posted by eljmayes

The FA would be sensible to allow Sky/ESPN/BBC to bid for just two games per round as Sky seem to be showing Championship games on Fridays now, and from next year perhaps Monday night Premier League coverage. ESPN have commitments across the weekend as well so it would be tricky to schedule three games per weekend. The BBC could bid for the rights (I think) but again three games a weekend would be difficult to schedule- plus ITV would be miffed at paying massively over the odds for pretty much the same rights.

The BBC can't bid for the rights. ITV have exclusive FTA rights.

However, having two matches each on ITV, Sky and ESPN could be a possibility. Sky could then have in-vision reporters on Gillette Soccer Saturday and highlights on Goals on Sunday, both greatly missed last season. But would all three show the final??

03-08-2009, 11:14	#1
tezza71 Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 246	FA Cup Rights (merged) hi any news on setantas fa cup rights

06-08-2009, 12:29	#16
tvphil Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 170	I don't think that it has been announced anywhere whether ITV has taken up its first refusal for the (ex-Setanta)England friendlies either. My guess is that this will be sorted out together with the outcome of the FA Cup deal. Last edited by tvphil : 06-08-2009 at 12:29. Reason: added clarification - Setanta

03-08-2009, 11:15	#2
linkinpark875 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,525	No but I hope Sky Sports win them.

03-08-2009, 15:47	#4
adam241 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manchester Services: Sky+HD, Sky Sports and Movies + 4 mix, MUTV, ESPN Posts: 168	Just seen an advert for the community shield Man utd v Chelsea on sunday, featuring Chelsea's goal in the FA Cup final and Chelsea lifting the trophy. So they are allowed to show some of the coverage from the final even thoguh they do not have the rights.

03-08-2009, 17:26	#8
adam241 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Manchester Services: Sky+HD, Sky Sports and Movies + 4 mix, MUTV, ESPN Posts: 168	thought so

06-08-2009, 10:50	#12
tvphil Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 170	I expect Sky and ESPN will battle it out for the available FA Cup rights. I am sure the BBC will be desperate to get some access to the FA Cup back too though. So, perhaps we will end up with a 3 way split of the rights like the last time ITV had live rights in the late 90s?? Back then, ITV & Sky each had live games with highlights on BBC Match of the Day.

06-08-2009, 14:23	#21
tiny_tim Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Services: Sky+, Sky broadband Posts: 857	I would be surprised if these rights ended up anywhere other than ESPN. It would be a nice luxury for Sky if they got them back but it probably wouldn't result in more than a handful of extra subscriptions. ESPN's need is surely greater, it's just a question of how much they're prepared to pay. Ultimately the FA surely won't risk having the rights go unsold, devaluing the competition?

06-08-2009, 23:42	#23
eljmayes Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 250	Sky may play hardball if they know that ESPN don't want the rights bidding high enough to be reasonable (way above what the BBC could afford) but not paying a fortune. The FA would be sensible to allow Sky/ESPN/BBC to bid for just two games per round as Sky seem to be showing Championship games on Fridays now, and from next year perhaps Monday night Premier League coverage. ESPN have commitments across the weekend as well so it would be tricky to schedule three games per weekend. The BBC could bid for the rights (I think) but again three games a weekend would be difficult to schedule- plus ITV would be miffed at paying massively over the odds for pretty much the same rights.