[Dixon]

Both Nikki and Charley let their personal dislike of a fellow hm get the better of them during their times in the bb house. The very presence of Ash and Chan in thier houses ate them up inside, spoilt their time in the house and at times showed the very worst of their personalities.
Contrast their way of dealing with a hm they didn't like, to that of Imogen and Jennie, who, even though they had absolutely nothing in common with eachother, disliked eachother as much as Nikki did with Ash and Charley did with Chan, yet they never had so much had a cross word during their entire stay in the house.

On the one hand the Nikki and Charley's hatred of their 'enemies' gave the show some of it's hl's and this forum plenty to talk about, while the strong dislike between Imogen and Jennie was completely ignored as it never boiled over into anything worth talking about.
As we know 'rivalries' have palyed a major part in bb, so one probably has to say that it's better for the show to see hm's 'lose it' rather then just keep it all in and get along as best as possible as Imogen and Jennie did during bb7.
Having said that, Nikki and Charley's hatred was so OTT it spoilt parts of their series, so sometimes the best way is the Imogen and Jen way.

[wonkeydonkey]

I think Charley was just very spoilt and had the tolerance of an angry wasp. From the moment she bragged in her VT that she always had anything she wanted without having to work for it, it was obvious that she had been put in the house as the Mean Girl. From that point of view, she didn't disappoint. There was not way in this world she was going to get on with Chanelle - an insecure, moody teenage girl.

Nikki and Aisleyne was harder to predict. I get the impression that BB were never very interested in Aisleyne, who was put in late as a two dimensional 'ghetto' blonde. She and Nikki MIGHT have been friends - they had more in common than they had different. Only by the time Ash came in Nikki had already established her role as house princess and was damned if anyone else was going to encroach on her territory. It is always a risk for a latecomer that existing housemates will feel that a pointless intruder is muscling into THEIR game. Aisleyne could easily have ended up being Bekki 2nd. The good luck of being chosen for the HND gave her the vital extra weeks to establish herself in the house, and she blossomed during the weeks Nikki was out. It is true that she wilted like a cut celery stick when Nikki came back, but by then she had built a fan base.

[UglyDuckling40]

Originally Posted by Dixon

Both Nikki and Charley let their personal dislike of a fellow hm get the better of them during their times in the bb house. The very presence of Ash and Chan in thier houses ate them up inside, spoilt their time in the house and at times showed the very worst of their personalities.
Contrast their way of dealing with a hm they didn't like, to that of Imogen and Jennie, who, even though they had absolutely nothing in common with eachother, disliked eachother as much as Nikki did with Ash and Charley did with Chan, yet they never had so much had a cross word during their entire stay in the house.

On the one hand the Nikki and Charley's hatred of their 'enemies' gave the show some of it's hl's and this forum plenty to talk about, while the strong dislike between Imogen and Jennie was completely ignored as it never boiled over into anything worth talking about.
As we know 'rivalries' have palyed a major part in bb, so one probably has to say that it's better for the show to see hm's 'lose it' rather then just keep it all in and get along as best as possible as Imogen and Jennie did during bb7.
Having said that, Nikki and Charley's hatred was so OTT it spoilt parts of their series, so sometimes the best way is the Imogen and Jen way.

Was there a strong dislike between Imogen and Jennie during their stay in BB7?

They may not have been the best of friends but "strong dislike" is not the phrase I would use.

[meglosmurmurs]

I think it's to do with the girls personalities, and how they express themselves.
Charley and Nikki, aswell as Chanelle and Aisleyne, are all extroverted characters who are quick to react in contentious situations. Whereas Imogen and Jennie are more introverted and kept their feelings hidden for the most part.
I don't think they really disliked eachother though. They just didn't seem to think they had anything in common. When they spoke about eachother in the Diary Room it showed a feeling of indifference rather than dislike.

Having said that, Imogen was almost driven over the edge by her intense dislike of Richard.

[thenetworkbabe]

Originally Posted by UglyDuckling40

Was there a strong dislike between Imogen and Jennie during their stay in BB7?

They may not have been the best of friends but "strong dislike" is not the phrase I would use.

Somewhere in between probably. They just didn't like each other and interestingly that was reflected in Richard's attitude to them too - he couldn't stand Imogen and really liked Jennie. Imogen of course went closer to Ash at the same time as Jennie was getting away from her.

I don't see the comparison with Charley who was pretty exceptional or Nikki who was too. As wonkeydonkey said Nikki wanted to be princess Nikki and Ash wasn't going to give her that or anything else she needed and there's never been a HM who was as demanding from anyone trying to lead as Nikki.

Imogen and Jennie might have been a more interesting and dramatic story in the BB7s that might have been. Would Jennie and Glyn have got closer and what would Imogen do? Where would Jennie have stood, if the house divided between Sezer and Grace or Grace and Richard? They don't do much as it is because there's no story going on that requires them to do more and pick sides.

[Dixon]

Originally Posted by UglyDuckling40

Was there a strong dislike between Imogen and Jennie during their stay in BB7?

They may not have been the best of friends but "strong dislike" is not the phrase I would use.

Imogen, once said that Jennie's 'hygiene' turned her stomach and addmitted they had nothing whatsoever in coommon.
Jennie, was quite clearly very jealous of Imogen and Ash's ever increasing close friendship. She also said she had nothing in common with Ims, and didn't want to be friends with her.

[Dixon]

Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe

Would Jennie and Glyn have got closer and what would Imogen do?

What bussiness would it have been to Imogen if they had got closer Though she was his ''big sister'' i doubt very much she would have interfeared with any of Glyns relationships.
Anyway, if you want to go down that road, Jennie would have played been of little improtance to Glyn, had Grace, and in particular Lisa, stayed around.
As with Pete, Jennie was very much a substitute hm.

[MRS LAWSON]

I had forgotten all about Jennie

[thenetworkbabe]

Originally Posted by Dixon

What bussiness would it have been to Imogen if they had got closer Though she was his ''big sister'' i doubt very much she would have interfeared with any of Glyns relationships.
Anyway, if you want to go down that road, Jennie would have played been of little improtance to Glyn, had Grace, and in particular Lisa, stayed around.
As with Pete, Jennie was very much a substitute hm.

Potentially more than that as she wasn't the sort to float between sides and would have picked one.Which isn't clear and challenging either side would have given her a decent story. They should have put her in instead of Dawn or Bonnie neither of whom would possibly be of any interest for Glyn or George who both endd up alone.

[nagel84]

Originally Posted by meglosmurmurs

Whereas Imogen and Jennie are more introverted and kept their feelings hidden for the most part.
I don't think they really disliked eachother though. They just didn't seem to think they had anything in common. When they spoke about eachother in the Diary Room it showed a feeling of indifference rather than dislike.

That’s how I saw it and I wouldn’t describe the relationship between Jennie and Imogen in the house as even one of mild dislike never mind strong dislike. I think Imogen’s relationship with Jennie was much like hers with Pete, ie. they shared a lot of mutual friends but just didn’t click. Jennie even said as much and I think they may even have admitted it to each other. In that respect they were a bit like Sara and Rachel from BB9 who didn’t really connect either, but nevertheless harboured no animosity for each other.

I think a better example of someone who took a strong dislike to someone but didn’t allow it to fester within them would be Lisa with Aisleyne (or for that matter with Richard). Lisa had a rather black and white attitude to people at times. If she took a dislike to you that was it……..she really didn’t want to know and there seemed little way back. It was as if she just shut herself down to the person but even so she didn’t appear to dwell on it or bitch about the person at length to others. She just lived and let live for the most part.

An example would be the time Grace was bitching about Aisleyne and Lisa just happened to hear and asked “Who are you talking about?” When the reply was “Aisleyne”, Lisa just said “Oh her. She’s a boot!” That was it. She wasn’t interested in saying much more about her or partaking in any lengthy bitching session.

Lisa didn’t get on with Aisleyne or Richard but didn’t allow it to dominate her stay in the house in any way. She just concentrated for the most part on those she got on with.

[wonkeydonkey]

Originally Posted by nagel84

Lisa didn’t get on with Aisleyne or Richard but didn’t allow it to dominate her stay in the house in any way. She just concentrated for the most part on those she got on with.

Interesting. And, to refer back to the OP, yes, that is the way to handle a dislike.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by Dixon

Imogen, once said that Jennie's 'hygiene' turned her stomach and addmitted they had nothing whatsoever in coommon.
Jennie, was quite clearly very jealous of Imogen and Ash's ever increasing close friendship. She also said she had nothing in common with Ims, and didn't want to be friends with her.

I don't think it was clear at all. I don't even think it was true.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey

I think Charley was just very spoilt and had the tolerance of an angry wasp. From the moment she bragged in her VT that she always had anything she wanted without having to work for it, it was obvious that she had been put in the house as the Mean Girl. From that point of view, she didn't disappoint. There was not way in this world she was going to get on with Chanelle - an insecure, moody teenage girl.

Nikki and Aisleyne was harder to predict. I get the impression that BB were never very interested in Aisleyne, who was put in late as a two dimensional 'ghetto' blonde. She and Nikki MIGHT have been friends - they had more in common than they had different. Only by the time Ash came in Nikki had already established her role as house princess and was damned if anyone else was going to encroach on her territory. It is always a risk for a latecomer that existing housemates will feel that a pointless intruder is muscling into THEIR game. Aisleyne could easily have ended up being Bekki 2nd. The good luck of being chosen for the HND gave her the vital extra weeks to establish herself in the house, and she blossomed during the weeks Nikki was out. It is true that she wilted like a cut celery stick when Nikki came back, but by then she had built a fan base.

It's interesting to see how the Aisleyne mythology continues to affect how people see BB7.

I think all of the following are at least questionable and are probably false:

• BB was never very interested in Aisleyne
• Aisleyne was put in as a two dimensional 'ghetto' blonde.
• Ash and Nikki might have been friends if Ash hadn't been a latecomer.
• Aisleyne could easily have ended up being Bekki 2nd. No, not with
  • Ash entering in week 2 instead of week 5.
  • No "judas kiss".
  • BB's punishment decisions and twists getting rid of Aisleyne's enemies.
  • Richard's desire for allies.
  • The HND.
• Ash blossomed during the weeks Nikki was out.
• Ash wilted like a cut celery stick when Nikki came back.
• By then Ash had built a fan base. (No, Ash had a fan base almost instantly as a perceived anti-"Plastic".)

It's also interesting that we're being asked to compare Nikki & Charley vs Imogen and Jennie, and not Aisleyne with anyone. And that Nikki was supposedly eaten up by Ash's "very presence", as if Aisleyne's behaviour had nothing to do with it.

[UglyDuckling40]

Originally Posted by Veri

It's interesting to see how the Aisleyne mythology continues to affect how people see BB7.

I think all of the following are at least questionable and are probably false:

• BB was never very interested in Aisleyne
• Aisleyne was put in as a two dimensional 'ghetto' blonde.
• Ash and Nikki might have been friends if Ash hadn't been a latecomer.
• Aisleyne could easily have ended up being Bekki 2nd. No, not with
  • Ash entering in week 2 instead of week 5.
  • No "judas kiss".
  • BB's punishment decisions and twists getting rid of Aisleyne's enemies.
  • Richard's desire for allies.
  • The HND.
• Ash blossomed during the weeks Nikki was out.
• Ash wilted like a cut celery stick when Nikki came back.
• By then Ash had built a fan base. (No, Ash had a fan base almost instantly as a perceived anti-"Plastic".)

It's also interesting that we're being asked to compare Nikki & Charley vs Imogen and Jennie, and not Aisleyne and anyone.

Let's be perfectly blunt about this, the first thing that Aisleyne did when she entered the BB House was to attach herself to the two favourites, Pete and Glyn (a trick that Jennie repeated weeks later). She made her loyalties obvious from day 1.

I suspect that she knew that Pete fancied her and, though she never felt the same, did enough flirting around Pete to keep him onside. The same with Glyn.

Of course, this did not go unnoticed by the other housemates. In particular, her flirting with Pete in front of Nikki is not going to go down to well with Nikki was it?

[Dixon]

Originally Posted by Veri

I don't think it was clear at all. I don't even think it was true.

When Imogen and Ash became almost joined at the hip, on at least two occassions Jennie became very moody towards Ash and moaned to her that she wasn't spending enough time with her and felt that she was being ignored.
Jennie even said to Ash that she thought that SHE was supposed to be her ''special friend''. I took that as meaning Ash should be closer to her than she was to Imogen.

[Dixon]

Originally Posted by nagel84

I think a better example of someone who took a strong dislike to someone but didn’t allow it to fester within them would be Lisa with Aisleyne (or for that matter with Richard). Lisa had a rather black and white attitude to people at times. If she took a dislike to you that was it……..she really didn’t want to know and there seemed little way back. It was as if she just shut herself down to the person but even so she didn’t appear to dwell on it or bitch about the person at length to others. She just lived and let live for the most part.

An example would be the time Grace was bitching about Aisleyne and Lisa just happened to hear and asked “Who are you talking about?” When the reply was “Aisleyne”, Lisa just said “Oh her. She’s a boot!” That was it. She wasn’t interested in saying much more about her or partaking in any lengthy bitching session.

Lisa didn’t get on with Aisleyne or Richard but didn’t allow it to dominate her stay in the house in any way. She just concentrated for the most part on those she got on with.

Excellent points about Lisa.
You're probably right that she was an even better example of how to deal with a hm you don't like, than Imogen or Jennie were.

[Dixon]

Originally Posted by Veri

And that Nikki was supposedly eaten up by Ash's "very presence", as if Aisleyne's behaviour had nothing to do with it.

So, exactly what did Ash do to Nikki to deserve such a level of dislike?
The ''little girl'' comment was the only thing that stung Nikki, and even that was just a throw away quip by Ash. I loved Nikki as a hm, but her dislike of Ash was way OTT and Ash's presence in the house did eat her up inside.

[Dixon]

Originally Posted by UglyDuckling40

Let's be perfectly blunt about this, the first thing that Aisleyne did when she entered the BB House was to attach herself to the two favourites

But it was hardly surprising she sided with the 'popular hm's' when you take into consideration she was being bitched about almost from the moment she walked into the house.
Anyway, as early as her second day in the house she was starting to spend time sunbathing with the other girls and grooming Imogen's hair etc, so she can't be accused of sucking up to just the popular hm's.

[meglosmurmurs]

Originally Posted by nagel84

I think a better example of someone who took a strong dislike to someone but didn’t allow it to fester within them would be Lisa with Aisleyne (or for that matter with Richard). Lisa had a rather black and white attitude to people at times. If she took a dislike to you that was it……..she really didn’t want to know and there seemed little way back. It was as if she just shut herself down to the person but even so she didn’t appear to dwell on it or bitch about the person at length to others. She just lived and let live for the most part.

An example would be the time Grace was bitching about Aisleyne and Lisa just happened to hear and asked “Who are you talking about?” When the reply was “Aisleyne”, Lisa just said “Oh her. She’s a boot!” That was it. She wasn’t interested in saying much more about her or partaking in any lengthy bitching session.

Lisa didn’t get on with Aisleyne or Richard but didn’t allow it to dominate her stay in the house in any way. She just concentrated for the most part on those she got on with.

Hmm, I'm not sure Lisa was as easy-going as that.
She was my favourite housemate for the first week or so, but I gradually went off her due to her sheer bitterness towards Richard, and then Aisleyne.
Whenever Grace or Nikki slagged them off, Lisa seemed to be one of the main contributors, almost like it was a release for her. She allowed her angerness to fester and would explode at certain times. Like after Grace's eviction, arguing with Richard and Aisleyne and then throwing the bike across the room. Also, she was always moody whenever she was slightly annoyed at Richard taking over the house, like refusing to have dinner and going off in a huff.
I remember when she told Grace that Aisleyne and Lea were talking about her when she could see them doing something infront of the mirror outside, and also telling Sam that Lea thought she was an arselicker. Lisa always seemed to cause extra ill-feeling and paranoia to spill over in the house.

I just remember that my opinion on Lisa changed dramatically throughout her 5 week stay in the house.
First two weeks - loved her
Week 3 and 4 - slightly annoyed by her but she was still a good character.
Week 5 - couldn't stand her anymore, and helped vote her out.

I remember voting her out because she was always complaining to Glyn that everyone in the house was in love with Aisleyne, and even Imogen expressed to Aisleyne that Lisa was always slagging her off. So much that Imogen had to just roll her eyes and change the subject if she could.

That's my memory of Lisa anyway. In my mind, her bitterness is what led to her demise.

[UglyDuckling40]

Originally Posted by Dixon

So, exactly what did Ash do to Nikki to deserve such a level of dislike?
The ''little girl'' comment was the only thing that stung Nikki, and even that was just a throw away quip by Ash. I loved Nikki as a hm, but her dislike of Ash was way OTT and Ash's presence in the house did eat her up inside.

So the fact that a couple of nights after leaving the HND, Aisleyne was flirting and seleping with Pete in his bed in front of Nikki had nothing to do with Nikki's ill feeling towards Pete.

Lets not forget the incident mentioned above. Just beforehand she spoke to Glyn in the bedroom and told him that she was going to wind Nikki up on purpose. The 'little girl' incident was a bit more than a throwaway line.

[BroxIV]

I wonder if you remember the conversations in which Nikki constantly bitched to somebody, Jayne?, and was continually taking off her microphone. Not only was her venom directed towards Ash and her closeness to Pete but also to newcomer Jennie who she accused of "dancing around, that's my thing." and made far more vitriolic statements about the youngster. Basically the disturbed Nikki hated anyone else receiving attention.

Jennie's falling out with Ash, although they kept sleeping in the same bed, was partly to do with Jennie's confused feelings about Pete. Jennie felt worried about how her boyfriend would feel about her behaviour and Ash being fairly forthright did not tell her what she wanted to hear. I do agree that Ash's friendship with Imo left Jennie feeling a bit isolated.

Nikki, who used to work with Grace, initially hated her partly over her first target George, who Grace was not even interested in. I don't think she turned to Pete until Ash started getting friendly with him. Ash certainly did play Nikki, but remember Grace was determined to get Ash out and formed ana alliance with Lisa to get Ash out with the support of Nikki, who had mellowed towards Grace, and Lea, although hardly a fan of Grace, was given a tough time by the ghetto queen. Imogen was involved in the conversations but didn't really want anything to do with the plotting. Jennie and Imo didn't like each other but it just wasn't an Imo's character to make a big deal of it and besides she knew Jennie had quite a temper. Imo's big row was with Richard who she just didn't get.

[bluegroper]

Originally Posted by Dixon

So, exactly what did Ash do to Nikki to deserve such a level of dislike?
The ''little girl'' comment was the only thing that stung Nikki, and even that was just a throw away quip by Ash. I loved Nikki as a hm, but her dislike of Ash was way OTT and Ash's presence in the house did eat her up inside.

After Ash's come back from the house next door Nikki found herself to be threatened and intimidated by her.

The week leading up to that explains it. Ash did antagonise Nikki and even said in the bedroom she was going out to stir Nikki up. She went out to the garden and made gestures and comments to Nikki that eventually led to the "know your self little girl if you are talking about me, little girl". But I think Nikki's immitation of Ash was a lot better

Anyway Nikki had an underlying problem with her past anorexia and she explains it in her book "Dying to be thin". She felt out of control when she was told she couldn't exercise any more, because of her swollen feet, that diaryroom scene was never shown. So I think Aisleyne wasn't the major problem with Nikki when she returned to the house.

Nikki felt threatened by not being in control and not being able to exercise, not just Aisleyne returning to the house who she also felt threatened by the week before. Anyway after post bb success by both girls I don't think Nikki feels threatened by Aisleyne any more.

[bluntbob]

Originally Posted by Dixon

So, exactly what did Ash do to Nikki to deserve such a level of dislike?
The ''little girl'' comment was the only thing that stung Nikki, and even that was just a throw away quip by Ash. I loved Nikki as a hm, but her dislike of Ash was way OTT and Ash's presence in the house did eat her up inside.

What Aislyne did was start the fued in the first place. There was no fued originally. If you remember correctly Aisleyne prior to entering the HND was obssessed with 'exposing' Nikki as a fake.! That as well as her heavy handed protection of pete. The "know yourself" line wasn't a 'throw-away' quip either. She pre-planned to wind up Nikki moments before hand, and not in a friendly way either. She told Pete right before the incident that she was going to tell Nikki she was "f*cking boring" and was going to do so when Nikki started telling her little stories because her stories (according to Ash) were "f*cking boring". Then as promised she went out and while Nikki was talking to the others Ash started doing yawning actions and saying "boring" everytime Nikki tried to finish what she was saying. In fact the 'little girl' comment was at the tail end of things. Aisleyne had been going on for quite a while telling the other HMs that Nikki was fake and despite the others saying she was just quirky Ash was convinced she was fake and should be exposed as fake.
That's how the fued started, and when Ash was put up for eviction (to the HND) she kicked up a sh*t storm with Lea and Nikki taking most of the flack! So by the the time Ash left (the first time) there was no love lost between the two.
When Aisleyne returned with a complete personality change Nikki's paranoia went into overdrive.
...and Ash snogging the face off Pete during spin the bottle and then giggling all night in bed with him while Nikki watched in the bed opposite did nothing to curb Nikki's mistrust issues with Ash either and Jayne's little chats made things 100 times worse as well!

There were childish actions played out by both HMs but at the same time there was a beggining, middle and end to the fued and I think a lot of people's memories are failing them in regards to Aisleyne's role in it.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by Dixon

When Imogen and Ash became almost joined at the hip, on at least two occassions Jennie became very moody towards Ash and moaned to her that she wasn't spending enough time with her and felt that she was being ignored.
Jennie even said to Ash that she thought that SHE was supposed to be her ''special friend''. I took that as meaning Ash should be closer to her than she was to Imogen.

Sure, you took it. But what we actually have is that during a period of time when Imogen and Ash were close, Jennie occasionally became moody towards Ash etc for whatever unknown reason.

[Veri]

Originally Posted by Dixon

But it was hardly surprising she sided with the 'popular hm's' when you take into consideration she was being bitched about almost from the moment she walked into the house.
Anyway, as early as her second day in the house she was starting to spend time sunbathing with the other girls and grooming Imogen's hair etc, so she can't be accused of sucking up to just the popular hm's.

Sure, Ash tried to manipulate pretty much everyone, and often succeeded.

Originally Posted by Dixon

So, exactly what did Ash do to Nikki to deserve such a level of dislike?
The ''little girl'' comment was the only thing that stung Nikki, and even that was just a throw away quip by Ash. I loved Nikki as a hm, but her dislike of Ash was way OTT and Ash's presence in the house did eat her up inside.

You've added "deserved". Who knows what is, ultimately, deserved? But see bluntbob's post.

Of course, in the Aisleyne mythology, all she ever did to Nikki was call her "boring" (your post's focus on "little girl" is a minor variation), thus neatly keeping everything else out of view.