The ITV London Studios versus BBC Television Centre - Broadcasting

bob.cryer · 31-10-2009, 22:35

Which studio do you think have the best overall including size of studios, facilities, post production, location etc - BBC Television Centre or The ITV London Studios?

Also, any stories from workiing in either, past or present

richardwds · 31-10-2009, 22:46

Paul O'Grady has moaned about BBC TV Centre, which is interesting considering his show has been made at both studios.
Also if BBC TV Centre TC1 was such a great studio, why is the Graham Norton show made at the London Studios.

jeffersbnl · 31-10-2009, 23:02

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Originally Posted by richardwds

Paul O'Grady has moaned about BBC TV Centre, which is interesting considering his show has been made at both studios.
Also if BBC TV Centre TC1 was such a great studio, why is the Graham Norton show made at the London Studios.

You don't need TC1 for Graham Norton's show. His production company probably got a better deal from London Studios.

Charnham · 31-10-2009, 23:26

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Originally Posted by richardwds

Paul O'Grady has moaned about BBC TV Centre, which is interesting considering his show has been made at both studios.
Also if BBC TV Centre TC1 was such a great studio, why is the Graham Norton show made at the London Studios.

if London Studios is so great why is Harry Hills TV Burp filmed at BBC TV centre?

FMDJ · 31-10-2009, 23:52

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Originally Posted by Charnham

if London Studios is so great why is Harry Hills TV Burp filmed at BBC TV centre?

Which is better? there is only one way to find out!

Charnham · 31-10-2009, 23:55

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Originally Posted by FMDJ

Which is better? there is only one way to find out!

LOL lets be serious here, there are probaly both very good studios, and individual show choices are down to times, what space they need, and what is avabile.

ariusuk · 31-10-2009, 23:58

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Originally Posted by Charnham

if London Studios is so great why is Harry Hills TV Burp filmed at BBC TV centre?

Because it's made on Thursday?

I'm not sure TLS would have the capacity to film Harry Hill on top of everything else.

Already every Thursday, TLS is handling:
Graham Norton
Have I Got News For You
Loose Women
GMTV
This Morning
Al Jazeera
and every other week, Europa League Football for ITV4.

Charnham · 01-11-2009, 00:09

I actually dont think this is a BBC vs ITV thing, and shame on some people on this forum for trying to turn it into one.

mikw · 01-11-2009, 02:45

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Originally Posted by Charnham

I actually dont think this is a BBC vs ITV thing, and shame on some people on this forum for trying to turn it into one.

Indeed, it's just what's available at the time, and prices.

ftv · 01-11-2009, 08:13

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Originally Posted by Charnham

if London Studios is so great why is Harry Hills TV Burp filmed at BBC TV centre?

Titchmarsh and Golden Balls are also made for ITV at TC. I was not aware the London Studios had any HD capability while TC has four HD studios.

GeorgeS · 01-11-2009, 08:30

Its a big irrelevant now given that bigger shows such as DOI and The X Factor are made in other studios. Neither the BBC or ITVs facilities are big enough now to handle the biggest shiny floor shows.

GeorgeS · 01-11-2009, 08:32

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Originally Posted by Charnham

I actually dont think this is a BBC vs ITV thing, and shame on some people on this forum for trying to turn it into one.

I've often wondered do BBC exec's get to see the ITV shows being recorded in TC and vice versa? If there was something particularly sensational in the recording wouldn't that give them so inside info into what the competition is up to?

bob.cryer · 01-11-2009, 08:45

Both of the studios have their own unique atmosphere.

TLS just makes you think about all those classic weekend shows.

tc makes you think of comedy

PeterB · 01-11-2009, 08:46

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Originally Posted by GeorgeS

I've often wondered do BBC exec's get to see the ITV shows being recorded in TC and vice versa? If there was something particularly sensational in the recording wouldn't that give them so inside info into what the competition is up to?

Like what?

GeorgeS · 01-11-2009, 08:49

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Originally Posted by PeterB

Like what?

Like if the £1m question on Millionaire was answered correctly for the first time or similar

Rab C · 01-11-2009, 09:14

With regards making ITV shows in TVC, the first one if memory serves me right was 'Talking Telephone Numbers'.

This was a Celador production for Carlton and came from TC1 in Television Centre then live to ITV via BT Tower.

This later moved to Fountain at Wembley.

One thing the BBC made very clear was there would be no mention of the BBC in the credits.

A quick scan of the credits for vision mixer, camera supervisor and lighting director showed any TVC sourced programme if you knew the names to look out for.

There was a lot of fuss at the time from the management at TVC.

This was part of John Birts 'Producer's Choice' in the the early 90's where producers could choose their own facilities. Likewise one of the first programmes to come back the other way was 'What the papers say', made by Granada for BBC.

PeterB · 01-11-2009, 09:17

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Originally Posted by GeorgeS

Like if the £1m question on Millionaire was answered correctly for the first time or similar

Same applies to anywhere a programme is made - confidentiallity.

red16v · 01-11-2009, 10:00

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Originally Posted by Rab C

This was part of John Birts 'Producer's Choice' in the the early 90's where producers could choose their own facilities. Likewise one of the first programmes to come back the other way was 'What the papers say', made by Granada for BBC.

You're confused. 'What the papers say' was a direct BBC commission to ITV to produce a programme for the BBC.

'Talking telephone numbers' was an independent (Celador) production commissioned by ITV from an independent producer who just happened to choose the BBC for its production facilities. The two circumstances are not the same at all.

red16v · 01-11-2009, 10:01

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Originally Posted by ftv

Titchmarsh and Golden Balls are also made for ITV at TC. I was not aware the London Studios had any HD capability while TC has four HD studios.

The London Studios has a very large production studio fully equipped for HD, with another one due to be completed over the new year.

ftv · 01-11-2009, 11:35

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Originally Posted by Rab C

With regards making ITV shows in TVC, the first one if memory serves me right was 'Talking Telephone Numbers'.

This was a Celador production for Carlton and came from TC1 in Television Centre then live to ITV via BT Tower.

This later moved to Fountain at Wembley.

One thing the BBC made very clear was there would be no mention of the BBC in the credits.

A quick scan of the credits for vision mixer, camera supervisor and lighting director showed any TVC sourced programme if you knew the names to look out for.

There was a lot of fuss at the time from the management at TVC.

This was part of John Birts 'Producer's Choice' in the the early 90's where producers could choose their own facilities. Likewise one of the first programmes to come back the other way was 'What the papers say', made by Granada for BBC.

Titchmarsh and Golden Balls both mention BBC Studios in their credits. Worth pointing out the BBC also makes programmes for STV at Pacific Quay in Glasgow and will have huge studio capacity when Salford comes on line in 2011.

derek500 · 01-11-2009, 12:16

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Originally Posted by red16v

The London Studios has a very large production studio fully equipped for HD, with another one due to be completed over the new year.

Has there been any HD shows made there?

The last Sky HD show made there, that I'm aware of, was Don't Forget the Lyrics, but that was done as an OB.

ariusuk · 01-11-2009, 12:34

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Originally Posted by derek500

Has there been any HD shows made there?

The last Sky HD show made there, that I'm aware of, was Don't Forget the Lyrics, but that was done as an OB.

That was over a year ago, before the new HDVTR area was built.

richardwds · 01-11-2009, 12:45

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Originally Posted by jeffersbnl

You don't need TC1 for Graham Norton's show. His production company probably got a better deal from London Studios.

Yes, but the observant may have noticed that The BBC Graham Norton show moved into the largest studio at TLS, so perhaps BBC TVC TC1 or 2 may have been considered.

ariusuk · 01-11-2009, 12:52

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Originally Posted by richardwds

Yes, but the observant may have noticed that The BBC Graham Norton show moved into the largest studio at TLS, so perhaps BBC TVC TC1 or 2 may have been considered.

But are they using studio 1 at TLS because they need the space or because the other studios were already full?

chunkc · 01-11-2009, 13:08

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Originally Posted by Charnham

LOL lets be serious here, there are probaly both very good studios, and individual show choices are down to times, what space they need, and what is avabile.

I think price might enter into it as well.

On a purely aesthetic note I believe TVC is a more beautiful building than TLS.
Pity the BBC seems hell bent on knocking it into the ground.

31-10-2009, 22:35	#1
bob.cryer Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 467	The ITV London Studios versus BBC Television Centre Which studio do you think have the best overall including size of studios, facilities, post production, location etc - BBC Television Centre or The ITV London Studios? Also, any stories from workiing in either, past or present

31-10-2009, 22:46	#2
richardwds Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 166	Paul O'Grady has moaned about BBC TV Centre, which is interesting considering his show has been made at both studios. Also if BBC TV Centre TC1 was such a great studio, why is the Graham Norton show made at the London Studios.

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Charnham Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: nr Peterborough, England Services: regenerating into wamdue Posts: 15,716	I actually dont think this is a BBC vs ITV thing, and shame on some people on this forum for trying to turn it into one.

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GeorgeS Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Services: NTL, BT Broadband Posts: 7,538	Its a big irrelevant now given that bigger shows such as DOI and The X Factor are made in other studios. Neither the BBC or ITVs facilities are big enough now to handle the biggest shiny floor shows.

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bob.cryer Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 467	Both of the studios have their own unique atmosphere. TLS just makes you think about all those classic weekend shows. tc makes you think of comedy

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Rab C Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kingdom of Fife, Scotland Services: Sky HD, Sky Broadband Max (16MBit), DAB Posts: 2,179	With regards making ITV shows in TVC, the first one if memory serves me right was 'Talking Telephone Numbers'. This was a Celador production for Carlton and came from TC1 in Television Centre then live to ITV via BT Tower. This later moved to Fountain at Wembley. One thing the BBC made very clear was there would be no mention of the BBC in the credits. A quick scan of the credits for vision mixer, camera supervisor and lighting director showed any TVC sourced programme if you knew the names to look out for. There was a lot of fuss at the time from the management at TVC. This was part of John Birts 'Producer's Choice' in the the early 90's where producers could choose their own facilities. Likewise one of the first programmes to come back the other way was 'What the papers say', made by Granada for BBC.