[sinbad22uk]

There are loads of people on here who heartlessly make fun and nasty comments about people who have lost a loved one like Daniel Evans from last year, or Andy Abraham for being a bin man and his mum dying.

However it really makes me laugh that alot of the same people feel sorry for Danyl and the "broken man" sob stories about him this last week.

I also hate the manipulation that Simon is doing over the other judges, twice now Louis has made comments about Danyl's likeability, then in the next show he says "We love Danyl" which does not ring true as sincere. I think Simon is telling them to lay off Danyl

Last night Dannii made a comment on Xtra Factor about it's sad when good singers are going home, and Simon immediately quipped "But the best singer is still in the competition- Danyl" Not one of the judges replied despite both Dannii and Cheryl slating his off key singing the previous night.

Smells of BS to me.

[bel110]

Originally Posted by sinbad22uk

There are loads of people on here who heartlessly make fun and nasty comments about people who have lost a loved one like Daniel Evans from last year, or Andy Abraham for being a bin man and his mum dying.

However it really makes me laugh that alot of the same people feel sorry for Danyl and the "broken man" sob stories about him this last week.

I also hate the manipulation that Simon is doing over the other judges, twice now Louis has made comments about Danyl's likeability, then in the next show he says "We love Danyl" which does not ring true as sincere. I think Simon is telling them to lay off Danyl

Last night Dannii made a comment on Xtra Factor about it's sad when good singers are going home, and Simon immediately quipped "But the best singer is still in the competition- Danyl" Not one of the judges replied despite both Dannii and Cheryl slating his off key singing the previous night.Smells of BS to me.

Yes that bit was ridiculous last night, you could see Dannii itching to reply to that with a 'best singer in who's opinion' type comment, but they've obviously all been told to firmly tow the official line where Danyl is concerned ...

And why is said 'best singer' still in the competition, because of the ridiculous sympathy campaign launched by Simon this week ....

[kaylah]

Entirely agree with you. How people can fall for all this is beyond me it was clearly an act this broken man stuff hes a Teacher of drams so is well capable of it. And for some reason Simon is hell bent on getting him to the final and Simon always gets his way, but I for one wont buy it.

I think he is dire cant stand anything about him.

[Chiggin]

All this broken man thing is having a real galvanising affect but in two different directions: some people are falling for it and getting behind him so are defending him energetically and voting like made for him and others are really turning off from him and want to see him gone.

Will it work as an overall strategy to keep him in/let him win? That's the question.

[Menk]

Originally Posted by kaylah

Entirely agree with you. How people can fall for all this is beyond me it was clearly an act this broken man stuff hes a Teacher of drams so is well capable of it. And for some reason Simon is hell bent on getting him to the final and Simon always gets his way, but I for one wont buy it.

I think he is dire cant stand anything about him.

I think it is quite understandable that Danyl was affected badly by his negative press - your post suggests that he was not affected, but just acted as though he was. And of course Simon wants him to get to the final! He's his act and he's the best singer!!

[Gotham]

I completely agree OP. I mean Rachel was in the bottom two three times. Just think about that, it must be a horrible feeling for an 18 year old to know that British public just don't care for you. She knows she can sing so what's the problem? It's a likeability contest, and she's not liked by the audience.

Is spite of this she always kept it together in the sing off, and IMO was the best singer of the past two weeks. For an 18 year old to bounce back like this shows astounding mental strength.

Then you have Danyl, who is "feeling lost" and has no confidence in himself. All because of ONE week where the public didn't vote for him. I find him to be self important, and I find the level to which Cowell is forcing him on us absolutely sickening.

[Menk]

Originally Posted by Chiggin

All this broken man thing is having a real galvanising affect but in two different directions: some people are falling for it and getting behind him so are defending him energetically and voting like made for him and others are really turning off from him and want to see him gone.

Will it work as an overall strategy to keep him in/let him win? That's the question.

The sympathy vote will only last for one week, as it did with Rachel.

[Winsome]

Originally Posted by Menk

I think it is quite understandable that Danyl was affected badly by his negative press - your post suggests that he was not affected, but just acted as though he was. And of course Simon wants him to get to the final! He's his act and he's the best singer!!

See, this is a problem for me. If he actually is so affected by adverse publicity, or comments made by Joe Public, then is he the stuff stars are made of? I am sure we have seen it time and again, where people in the public eye get adverse comments, general insults thrown at them. The ones who generally succeed are those that rise above them, it's a tough world out there. I think the younger ones in the competition understand this and try to get on with it.

[Menk]

Originally Posted by Gotham

I completely agree OP. I mean Rachel was in the bottom two three times. Just think about that, it must be a horrible feeling for an 18 year old to know that British public just don't care for you. She knows she can sing so what's the problem? It's a likeability contest, and she's not liked by the audience.

Is spite of this she always kept it together in the sing off, and IMO was the best singer of the past two weeks. For an 18 year old to bounce back like this shows astounding mental strength.

Then you have Danyl, who is "feeling lost" and has no confidence in himself. All because of ONE week where the public didn't vote for him. I find him to be self important, and I find the level to which Cowell is forcing him on us absolutely sickening.

I think it was more to do with the negative press.

[Gotham]

Originally Posted by Menk

I think it was more to do with the negative press.

The two things are inter-related, the public didn't vote for him because they were influenced by the negative press.

[Menk]

Originally Posted by Winsome

See, this is a problem for me. If he actually is so affected by adverse publicity, or comments made by Joe Public, then is he the stuff stars are made of? I am sure we have seen it time and again, where people in the public eye get adverse comments, general insults thrown at them. The ones who generally succeed are those that rise above them, it's a tough world out there. I think the younger ones in the competition understand this and try to get on with it.

Maybe you are right but you have to admit he's had a lot of negative press to contend with - he is really singled out and seems to be getting only negative publicity for no clear reason. Personally, I think he was encouraged to show his feelings (by Simon) because it does help in this game, as has been proven. But to suggest it was purely an act is going too far.

(I also believe that 99% of the time we have no idea how the famous deal with negative press - very badly I'd presume, but they are not on X factor, and there is no benefit in showing that it hurts them. Here, Danyl has benefitted - it's reality TV!)

[lisa1972]

it was not a sob story, he was affected badly, he never cried on stage and on xtra factor he stated that you couldnt blame the press as everybody gets it. He was upset on Sat as he couldnt hear his backing track, messed up the song and felt he had let people down. it isnt Danyls fault that Simon keeps going on about him, and even i thought shut up when he started going on again

[Menk]

Originally Posted by Gotham

The two things are inter-related, the public didn't vote for him because they were influenced by the negative press.

Yes I agree - that's why comparisons with Rachel are redundant because she only had to cope with not being particularly popular, not with a deluge of negative press.

[pickledgherkin]

Originally Posted by Gotham

I completely agree OP. I mean Rachel was in the bottom two three times. Just think about that, it must be a horrible feeling for an 18 year old to know that British public just don't care for you. She knows she can sing so what's the problem? It's a likeability contest, and she's not liked by the audience.

Is spite of this she always kept it together in the sing off, and IMO was the best singer of the past two weeks. For an 18 year old to bounce back like this shows astounding mental strength.

Then you have Danyl, who is "feeling lost" and has no confidence in himself. All because of ONE week where the public didn't vote for him. I find him to be self important, and I find the level to which Cowell is forcing him on us absolutely sickening.

Rachel didn't do too badly really, considering how many contestants were there at the start. It boils down not so much to the fact that she was not liked as others were liked more.

She is only 18. She has a good voice, is very sweet and I hope she does well.

I do agree about Cowell manipulation, etc. I think he is even pleased about J&E though obviously wouldn't admit it publicly.

[oathy]

expect another 'broken man' story next week no doubt..

some of the comments made about him have been really nasty..but like all singers the best way to answer people is through song..thats something he failed to do saturday night.

its all very well breaking down on stage singing out of tune etc..those type of comments are part of the job...so god help him if he won.

[Tiron]

IMO, Danyl was only in the bottom two last week because lots of people, myself included assumed he was safe and either didn't cast enough votes or didn't even vote at all.

We his fans have learnt our lessons. No more complacency. Danyl will not be in the bottom two again.

[lisa1972]

he didnt sing out of tune as he was a broken man, he couldnt hear the baacking track as his intro had been changed watch the VT on the X factor site. Whether you believe that or not is up to you, he had been told to understate it so many times on this forum and it would have worked if things had gone well, he broke down off stage not due to the press, due to the song going wrong

[Satnavvy]

I feel sorry for him because his mum has to travel all the way up from Kent every Saturday and Sunday.......

[Early Doors]

Originally Posted by sinbad22uk

There are loads of people on here who heartlessly make fun and nasty comments about people who have lost a loved one like Daniel Evans from last year, or Andy Abraham for being a bin man and his mum dying.

However it really makes me laugh that alot of the same people feel sorry for Danyl and the "broken man" sob stories about him this last week.

I also hate the manipulation that Simon is doing over the other judges, twice now Louis has made comments about Danyl's likeability, then in the next show he says "We love Danyl" which does not ring true as sincere. I think Simon is telling them to lay off Danyl

Last night Dannii made a comment on Xtra Factor about it's sad when good singers are going home, and Simon immediately quipped "But the best singer is still in the competition- Danyl" Not one of the judges replied despite both Dannii and Cheryl slating his off key singing the previous night.

Smells of BS to me.

I totally agree with your first paragraph. I've noticed those same people too and it's shameful.

Danyl could come out and sing like Elvis and next week and it will make very little difference for all the votes that that comment from Simon will have cost him.

[mrsh1807]

Frankly what with all the negative press and very mixed opinions about Danyl, I really don't see how he can win. If he does win he's unlikely to be very successful because there are not enough people supporting him - look at Rachel, she had to go for the same reasons. It will be very interesting watching over the next few weeks, to see where he is in the voting etc......

[Andybear]

Originally Posted by Gotham

The two things are inter-related, the public didn't vote for him because they were influenced by the negative press.

I disagree. I don't read the papers and couldn't care less what was said about him in the press. I didn't vote for him because I don't think he's a good singer/performer.

[lovecat86]

In my opinion, Simon is setting Danyl up a cropper.

On Saturday's Xtra Factor, he mentioned that he thinks people vote for the twins to annoy him so you can't expect me to believe that he doesn't realise by being so over the top about a guy who couldn't even sing his song on Saturday night, that he doesn't realise this guy is going to lose favour with the public.

[lovecat86]

Originally Posted by Early Doors

Danyl could come out and sing like Elvis and next week and it will make very little difference for all the votes that that comment from Simon will have cost him.

He could come out and sing like Leona and he wouldn't get anywhere near as many votes after that comment.

Simon is an absolute cad. I've never noticed in previous years. It's disgusting. I think all the rumours that he favours Olly are bang on - hell, he even said Olly when he meant Lloyd last night. An act he later saved from the chop.

EDIT: I don't like Leona and realise Elvis is in a different league, but I assume that the majority of XF fans love her as she won the show

[lovecat86]

Originally Posted by mrsh1807

Frankly what with all the negative press and very mixed opinions about Danyl, I really don't see how he can win. If he does win he's unlikely to be very successful because there are not enough people supporting him - look at Rachel, she had to go for the same reasons. It will be very interesting watching over the next few weeks, to see where he is in the voting etc......

I agree with the fact he can't win.

I don't agree with the bold writing. He has loads of supporters on FB and Twitter alike, and topped the Yahoo poll easily. I don't think the extent of his unpopularity on here is imitated anywhere else really, although I could be wrong. Open to having links to pages that say otherwise I think he was in the bottom two because his fans were complacent (largely due to Simon's overpraising), in fact some fans posted on his FB that they hadn't voted because they assumed he was safe but made sure they had this week. Low and behold, he wasn't in the bottom two. I think he has a strong fanbase but I also think it's at maximum capacity. I can't see him gaining any fans after all this rubbish from the press/Simon/Danyl himself. That's why he won't win.

[stars at night]

Originally Posted by Winsome

See, this is a problem for me. If he actually is so affected by adverse publicity, or comments made by Joe Public, then is he the stuff stars are made of? I am sure we have seen it time and again, where people in the public eye get adverse comments, general insults thrown at them. The ones who generally succeed are those that rise above them, it's a tough world out there. I think the younger ones in the competition understand this and try to get on with it.

Yes but can we please remember he's new to all this? He entered a singing competition for goodness' sake - it's not like he's been around for years after releasing loads of albums. It must be very difficult to make the transition from normal life to Xfactor world even without all the negative press he's been getting. Also, the younger ones like the twins haven't been getting attacks on their personalities they way Danyl has. People have been focusing their comments about Jedward on their lack of vocal ability. BIG difference.