The Clone Doctor: Cop Out Or Clever way For Tennant to Come Back? - Doctor Who and Torchwood

steven87gill · 02-11-2009, 20:42

Well, Initially I never liked the Clone Doctor idea, it's only since Tennant announced that he's going that it's started to make more sense
At the time i felt it was almost .exactly. same plot device that was used when they killed of Data and then brought in B4, it didn't matter that that it was Brent Spiner sitting there wearing white make up, looking like Data, speaking like Data, and acting like Data, The Data we knew and loved had just been blown to smitherines, that's the point, it isn't Data.

But by having B4 whistling at the end, it gave you a morsel of hope that maybe Data was in there, somewhere, that's maybe what needs to be done with the Clone Doctor when tennant goes, nothing concrete, just, something.

darthbibble · 02-11-2009, 20:56

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what needs to be done with the Clone Doctor when tennant goes, nothing concrete, just, something.

Use him as a blunt object to beat the people who think it means Tennant has an easy way back into the show.......

Seriously though

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The Clone Doctor and a certain Rose "Smith" are believed to have a brief cameo in the last episode

Black Guardian · 02-11-2009, 21:00

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Use him as a blunt object to beat the people who think it means Tennant has an easy way back into the show.......

Seriously though

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The Clone Doctor and a certain Rose "Smith" are believed to have a brief cameo in the last episode

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I thought the rumour was and going by pics taken on that location shoot The Doctor goes back in time to the Powell Estate as that is the only way he can get to see Rose in this universe.

personally I am hoping with Tennant going a line will be firmly drawn regarding Rose and this will be the last we see of her. imho her story is over and done with..there doesn't seem anything left to add, except perhaps to squeeze that last bit of sentimentality out of the audience.

Muttley76 · 02-11-2009, 21:03

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I thought the rumour was and going by pics taken on that location shoot The Doctor goes back in time to the Powell Estate as that is the only way he can get to see Rose in this universe.

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your correct, BG. It's more than a rumour they were seen filming a scene that was set the year before Rose met Nine on New years Eve.

steven87gill · 02-11-2009, 21:05

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your correct, BG. It's more than a rumour they were seen filming a scene that was set the year before Rose met Nine on New years Eve.

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He's talking a rumored scene between the clone doctor and rose in the other universe.

TEDR · 02-11-2009, 21:07

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I thought the rumour was and going by pics taken on that location shoot The Doctor goes back in time to the Powell Estate as that is the only way he can get to see Rose in this universe.

personally I am hoping with Tennant going a line will be firmly drawn regarding Rose and this will be the last we see of her. imho her story is over and done with..there doesn't seem anything left to add, except perhaps to squeeze that last bit of sentimentality out of the audience.

You wouldn't even accept a 60-year old Rose, having been gifted Gadget Mk 5, teaming up with some local youths to fight aliens for the purposes of children's television?

Black Guardian · 02-11-2009, 21:10

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You wouldn't even accept a 60-year old Rose, having been gifted Gadget Mk 5, teaming up with some local youths to fight aliens for the purposes of children's television?

only if Billie comes back and dons the prosthetic make up to age her 60 years.

Friz · 02-11-2009, 21:22

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A rumour says that the Doctor has problems with his regeneration, and needs to get all the energy he needs, which includes the "clone Doctor" as well as the "timelord" part of Donna's mind. Meaning Donna is now free to remember her adventures with the Doctor, and Rose is left Doctorless.

I know, I know, "why are you putting a rumour/theory in spoiler tags". If I didn't, and it became true, you'd all be yelling at me for spoiling the finale.

steven87gill · 02-11-2009, 21:38

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A rumour says that the Doctor has problems with his regeneration, and needs to get all the energy he needs, which includes the "clone Doctor" as well as the "timelord" part of Donna's mind. Meaning Donna is now free to remember her adventures with the Doctor, and Rose is left Doctorless.

I know, I know, "why are you putting a rumour/theory in spoiler tags". If I didn't, and it became true, you'd all be yelling at me for spoiling the finale.

Like i said at first I didn't like the idea of the Clone Doctor at all but have warmed to it over time and with DT announcing his departure.

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But it would seem a fairly pointless and cruel twist to kill the clone doctor off. Sort of like killing off trip in the final episode of ENT
Which is exactly why i think RTD might do it

Black Guardian · 02-11-2009, 21:38

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A rumour says that the Doctor has problems with his regeneration, and needs to get all the energy he needs, which includes the "clone Doctor" as well as the "timelord" part of Donna's mind. Meaning Donna is now free to remember her adventures with the Doctor, and Rose is left Doctorless.

I know, I know, "why are you putting a rumour/theory in spoiler tags". If I didn't, and it became true, you'd all be yelling at me for spoiling the finale.

pmsl if that is true! the ultimate slap in the chops, though would feel a teeny bit sorry for the Rose/Clone Doctor who wanted the happy ending. with it being RTD though can't see him doing that to them. Moffat might seeing as he saw Rose as the clingy stalker type girlfriend that you couldn't shake off.

Friz · 02-11-2009, 21:58

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...as he saw Rose as the clingy stalker type girlfriend that you couldn't shake off.

Bloody hell. Imagine if Rose and Clone Doctor were to break up. What would Clone Doctor do then? Start a small business? Work for Parallel Torchwood? Move to Kent?

Actually, there's a spin off I'd like to see. Clone Doctor now single, alone and eventually committed into a mental asylum.

Black Guardian · 02-11-2009, 22:14

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Bloody hell. Imagine if Rose and Clone Doctor were to break up. What would Clone Doctor do then? Start a small business? Work for Parallel Torchwood? Move to Kent?

Actually, there's a spin off I'd like to see. Clone Doctor now single, alone and eventually committed into a mental asylum.

think Tennant has already covered that base with his part in Taking Over The Asylum.

JonJonB · 02-11-2009, 22:16

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But by having B4 whistling at the end, it gave you a morsel of hope that maybe Data was in there, somewhere, that's maybe what needs to be done with the Clone Doctor when tennant goes, nothing concrete, just, something.

But we don't need something to be "in there" with the Clone Doctor. Tennant might be going but he will still be "in" Matt Smith, it's still the same character as before. Clone+Rose should just be left alone IMO, they've had a happy ending and should be left at that.

Section8grl · 02-11-2009, 22:23

I don't think they will do anything with Clone Doctor. His creation was basically RTD's way of bringing closure to the Rose story.

steven87gill · 02-11-2009, 22:30

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pmsl if that is true! the ultimate slap in the chops, though would feel a teeny bit sorry for the Rose/Clone Doctor who wanted the happy ending. with it being RTD though can't see him doing that to them. Moffat might seeing as he saw Rose as the clingy stalker type girlfriend that you couldn't shake off.

I've read moffat's comments and it seemed more like a veiled critisism of the Rose-Clone Doctor ending in general really.

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But we don't need something to be "in there" with the Clone Doctor. Tennant might be going but he will still be "in" Matt Smith, it's still the same character as before.

OK, you've actually manage to change my mind here, you are absolutley right of course, story wise it's essentially the same character, the same 'consciousness' or 'spirit' just a different personality and body surrounding it.

JessicaL · 02-11-2009, 23:42

I hope we see 10.2 in Torchwood -hopefully with Jack ..seems a shame if David and John don't work together again ..

crazzyaz7 · 03-11-2009, 00:24

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I don't think they will do anything with Clone Doctor. His creation was basically RTD's way of bringing closure to the Rose story.

And because he wanted a three Doctor story...without actually having another two different Doctors...nothing to do with cop out with the regeneration, mainly because it seems more than obvious, in hindsight at least, that he used the regeneration as an excuse to create the Doctor.2 and DoctorDonna...what with the hand being shown a couple of times over thes eries, and the theme of cloning too...and nothing to do with Tennant returning either, as why would he return as a character that is half of what the Doctor is...he left the show to move on, not so he can come back as a clone.

dobsy · 03-11-2009, 00:29

As far as I recall, B4 from Nemesis was all CGI, that way Data or B4 won't age.

Someone had an idea once that 10.2 gets a vision of 10 regenerating and says to Rose "He's gone" or something like that. I like that rumour.

DJGM · 03-11-2009, 00:38

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Someone had an idea once that 10.2 gets a vision of 10 regenerating
and says to Rose "He's gone" or something like that. I like that rumour.

IIRC ... I think it was me. I'm sure someone is likely to dig out the post in question to confirm or deny it.

dobsy · 03-11-2009, 00:40

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IIRC ... I think it was me. I'm sure someone is likely to dig out the post in question to confirm or deny it.

I like your thinking.

Listentome · 03-11-2009, 15:20

David is leaving. He's got a new job in the USA and I hope and think he will go on to do much greater things than Doctor Who. As much as he loves the show, it is part of life to move on and things that were once important to us diminish. David might well not want to come back.

I've always liked the fact that Doctor Who draws a line under one era and moves on to the next. So like some other posters I would like DT's exit to be the end of Doc10, Rose etc for the foreseeable future. IMO if they do return it has to be for a great story and not some whimsical affair just to appease fans who don't want the programme to evolve.

tingramretro · 03-11-2009, 15:34

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David is leaving. He's got a new job in the USA and I hope and think he will go on to do much greater things than Doctor Who. As much as he loves the show, it is part of life to move on and things that were once important to us diminish. David might well not want to come back.

I've always liked the fact that Doctor Who draws a line under one era and moves on to the next. So like some other posters I would like DT's exit to be the end of Doc10, Rose etc for the foreseeable future. IMO if they do return it has to be for a great story and not some whimsical affair just to appease fans who don't want the programme to evolve.

Well said (though I'm not sure there is much 'greater' than Doctor Who). I've personally lived through seven changes of Doctor so far (though admittedly I barely remember Pertwee) and I'm baffled by the hysteria surrounding Tennant's departure and the fans who seem to be needing to cling to the belief that he'll return. Tom Baker was the Doctor for seven years, and was arguably far more of an iconic figure than Tennant, but we didn't have this kind of overreaction when he left.

themightyruth · 03-11-2009, 16:29

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You wouldn't even accept a 60-year old Rose, having been gifted Gadget Mk 5, teaming up with some local youths to fight aliens for the purposes of children's television?

Off topic I know, but, this post made me see how old Elizabeth Sladen was, I can't believe shes 61.

jimbo_bob · 03-11-2009, 17:30

Personally I would like a total clean sheet and never see Rose or Doctor 10.2 again. I've said this before, but I think what would REALLY be cool is if:

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Doctor 10.2 not only feels 10's regeneration, but actually starts dying as well. Doctor 10 turns into doctor 11 and Doctor 10.2 dies in Roses arms - sorted.

I know the spoiler police will berate me for putting that in spoilers. That's fine.

Black Guardian · 03-11-2009, 17:35

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Originally Posted by jimbo_bob

Personally I would like a total clean sheet and never see Rose or Doctor 10.2 again. I've said this before, but I think what would REALLY be cool is if:

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Doctor 10.2 not only feels 10's regeneration, but actually starts dying as well. Doctor 10 turns into doctor 11 and Doctor 10.2 dies in Roses arms - sorted.

I know the spoiler police will berate me for putting that in spoilers. That's fine.

love that scenario too but not sure if RTD would go that far. we would more than likely get the mushy slushy ending instead. bleugh!

02-11-2009, 20:42	#1
steven87gill Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 198	The Clone Doctor: Cop Out Or Clever way For Tennant to Come Back? Well, Initially I never liked the Clone Doctor idea, it's only since Tennant announced that he's going that it's started to make more sense At the time i felt it was almost .exactly. same plot device that was used when they killed of Data and then brought in B4, it didn't matter that that it was Brent Spiner sitting there wearing white make up, looking like Data, speaking like Data, and acting like Data, The Data we knew and loved had just been blown to smitherines, that's the point, it isn't Data. But by having B4 whistling at the end, it gave you a morsel of hope that maybe Data was in there, somewhere, that's maybe what needs to be done with the Clone Doctor when tennant goes, nothing concrete, just, something.

02-11-2009, 21:22	#8
Friz Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 56	spoiler: A rumour says that the Doctor has problems with his regeneration, and needs to get all the energy he needs, which includes the "clone Doctor" as well as the "timelord" part of Donna's mind. Meaning Donna is now free to remember her adventures with the Doctor, and Rose is left Doctorless. I know, I know, "why are you putting a rumour/theory in spoiler tags". If I didn't, and it became true, you'd all be yelling at me for spoiling the finale.

03-11-2009, 17:30	#24
jimbo_bob Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,114	Personally I would like a total clean sheet and never see Rose or Doctor 10.2 again. I've said this before, but I think what would REALLY be cool is if: spoiler: Doctor 10.2 not only feels 10's regeneration, but actually starts dying as well. Doctor 10 turns into doctor 11 and Doctor 10.2 dies in Roses arms - sorted. I know the spoiler police will berate me for putting that in spoilers. That's fine.

02-11-2009, 22:23	#14
Section8grl Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Middlesbrough Posts: 555	I don't think they will do anything with Clone Doctor. His creation was basically RTD's way of bringing closure to the Rose story.

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JessicaL Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 2,861	I hope we see 10.2 in Torchwood -hopefully with Jack ..seems a shame if David and John don't work together again ..

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dobsy Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ulster Services: Sky+ & Multiroom, BT Total Broadband & Talk, BT Fon, N95 8gb Posts: 973	As far as I recall, B4 from Nemesis was all CGI, that way Data or B4 won't age. Someone had an idea once that 10.2 gets a vision of 10 regenerating and says to Rose "He's gone" or something like that. I like that rumour.

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Listentome Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,298	David is leaving. He's got a new job in the USA and I hope and think he will go on to do much greater things than Doctor Who. As much as he loves the show, it is part of life to move on and things that were once important to us diminish. David might well not want to come back. I've always liked the fact that Doctor Who draws a line under one era and moves on to the next. So like some other posters I would like DT's exit to be the end of Doc10, Rose etc for the foreseeable future. IMO if they do return it has to be for a great story and not some whimsical affair just to appease fans who don't want the programme to evolve.