Slapper channels could be gone from Freeview by early 2010 - Freeview

Ray Cathode · 03-11-2009, 14:02

Ofcon have released a regulatory statement and new consultation on Adult PRS services.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/cond...ticipationtv3/

It appears that they require the slapper channels to be in a segregated part of the EPG although not encrypted. It is currently not possible to segregate off any channels on Freeview although future receivers might be capable of doing this.

This means that if the current consultation becomes a final regulatory statement in early 2010, as usual with Ofcon consultations, then slapper channels would have to be removed from Freeview.

Obviously cable and $ky EPGs can be segregated so there would be no problem there. Not sure about FreeSat as there are no slapper channels on it yet. I presume that Ofcon disregard FTA satellite viewing.

The whole thing seems to be a way of getting the slapper channels off Freeview without closing them down completely. The usual Ofcon smoke and mirrors trick.

grahamrudkin · 03-11-2009, 14:21

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Originally Posted by Ray Cathode

Ofcon have released a regulatory statement and new consultation on Adult PRS services.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/cond...ticipationtv3/

It appears that they require the slapper channels to be in a segregated part of the EPG although not encrypted. It is currently not possible to segregate off any channels on Freeview although future receivers might be capable of doing this.

This means that if the current consultation becomes a final regulatory statement in early 2010, as usual with Ofcon consultations, then slapper channels would have to be removed from Freeview.

Obviously cable and $ky EPGs can be segregated so there would be no problem there. Not sure about FreeSat as there are no slapper channels on it yet. I presume that Ofcon disregard FTA satellite viewing.

The whole thing seems to be a way of getting the slapper channels off Freeview without closing them down completely. The usual Ofcon smoke and mirrors trick.

This can only be good news for consumers! If it does happen that is.

lstar337 · 03-11-2009, 14:25

I said they would go the way of the quiz channels.

mrdtv · 03-11-2009, 15:11

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Originally Posted by Ray Cathode

Ofcon have released a regulatory statement and new consultation on Adult PRS services.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/cond...ticipationtv3/

It appears that they require the slapper channels to be in a segregated part of the EPG although not encrypted. It is currently not possible to segregate off any channels on Freeview although future receivers might be capable of doing this.

This means that if the current consultation becomes a final regulatory statement in early 2010, as usual with Ofcon consultations, then slapper channels would have to be removed from Freeview.

Obviously cable and $ky EPGs can be segregated so there would be no problem there. Not sure about FreeSat as there are no slapper channels on it yet. I presume that Ofcon disregard FTA satellite viewing.

The whole thing seems to be a way of getting the slapper channels off Freeview without closing them down completely. The usual Ofcon smoke and mirrors trick.

I don't buy this: by then we will be moving into the 'purdah' situation before the General Election when no significant policy decisions are implemented. As Mr Cameron has said publicly Ofcom will not be 'recognisable' after the Election. And the Tories love free-market forces. Ofcon is a NuLab creation which will be closed down: deservedly so as it is a complete waste of taxpayers and industry licence fees which takes years to make any decisions. To hell with overpriced, overpaid and overweening quangos. Cuts, cuts, cuts please...

Charnham · 03-11-2009, 15:17

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Originally Posted by Ray Cathode

It appears that they require the slapper channels to be in a segregated part of the EPG although not encrypted.

sorry you are going to have to help me, how would this be achieved? beyond putting them all on 90+ of course

chris20 · 03-11-2009, 15:46

hope they all close down and channels can go back to being on longer hours or let slot out to news channels.

lstar337 · 03-11-2009, 15:49

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Originally Posted by Charnham

sorry you are going to have to help me, how would this be achieved?

It can't, hence why they will have to leave.

As Ray Cathode explained, it is a way of kicking them out without actually doing any kicking.

Ray Cathode · 03-11-2009, 15:50

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Originally Posted by Charnham

sorry you are going to have to help me, how would this be achieved? beyond putting them all on 90+ of course

If you read the last part of the consultation you will understand. Ofcon reckons the channels need to be labelled as a group as well as being capable of being excluded from an EPG by user choice. They state that although there is a separate Freeview category from LCN93-99 for these channels, that alone would not meet the proposed new regulations. What is needed is a new EPG and/or platform that is capable of segregating channels. Not only that but a receiver base that supports it. Maybe a substantial penetration (ouch) of households owning such a device? Therefore slapper & psychic channels are unlikely to be on Freeview in the near future. I suspect the regulations were designed to achieve the cleaning up of Freeview, and were not made to protect the public whatever Ofcon says the reason was. It is too much of a fudge for me.

a516 · 03-11-2009, 15:57

Ofcom have had a good idea. Must be a blue moon

Charnham · 03-11-2009, 16:32

ok I think I got it now thanks.

hopefully this does happen.

rotty · 03-11-2009, 16:51

They (the slapper channel provders) may get round this by hiding behind an MHEG screen a-la TVX. I'm sure that creating an additional premium rate number to call to unlock the screen would be quite attractive to them.

Knowing how the NuLab quango regulators are oft happy to roll over in favour of big organisations instead of protecting the public/consumer interest (particularly if there are taxes to be had), then I can see a watered down version such as above happening.

Phil Owens · 03-11-2009, 17:23

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Originally Posted by rotty

They (the slapper channel provders) may get round this by hiding behind an MHEG screen a-la TVX. I'm sure that creating an additional premium rate number to call to unlock the screen would be quite attractive to them.

Knowing how the NuLab quango regulators are oft happy to roll over in favour of big organisations instead of protecting the public/consumer interest (particularly if there are taxes to be had), then I can see a watered down version such as above happening.

Trust someone to p!ss on our chips.

I hope you are wrong and Ray is right.

HughR · 03-11-2009, 17:41

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Originally Posted by rotty

They (the slapper channel provders) may get round this by hiding behind an MHEG screen a-la TVX. I'm sure that creating an additional premium rate number to call to unlock the screen would be quite attractive to them.

Knowing how the NuLab quango regulators are oft happy to roll over in favour of big organisations instead of protecting the public/consumer interest (particularly if there are taxes to be had), then I can see a watered down version such as above happening.

Or a sort of live T*ts Up TV

michael21 · 03-11-2009, 17:48

Hi Ray i have more good news http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...1140436&page=5 post 114

mad_dude · 03-11-2009, 17:59

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Or a sort of live T*ts Up TV

Looking at the content of some of these channels most of them are tits down TV

DAVE02 · 03-11-2009, 19:57

i dont think babestation or bangbabes well leave as i think they well jest stop using 09 numbers & us 0870 numbers in they place

russellelly · 03-11-2009, 20:58

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Originally Posted by DAVE02

i dont think babestation or bangbabes well leave as i think they well jest stop using 09 numbers & us 0870 numbers in they place

Then they make almost no money.

neon-lightning · 03-11-2009, 23:20

The new rules should also include the gambling channels along with the slapper and psychic channels.

Everything Goes · 03-11-2009, 23:24

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Originally Posted by neon-lightning

The new rules should also include the gambling channels along with the slapper and psychic channels.

The Psychic channels should have seen this coming

Caxton · 03-11-2009, 23:38

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Originally Posted by Everything Goes

The Psychic channels should have seen this coming

That has to be post of the month.

angustay · 03-11-2009, 23:52

The slapper channels generate income for some of the legit channels on freeview if they are removed or moved else where then the legit channels could decide to move away from Freeview if they can no longer make money from the slapper channels. After all Freeview a once great platform is still the most expensive EPG to get on some legit channels rely on the leasing of space to the slapper channels in order to help pay for their EPG slot. Take that away from them and they may leave.

chindley · 04-11-2009, 02:07

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Originally Posted by angustay

The slapper channels generate income for some of the legit channels on freeview if they are removed or moved else where then the legit channels could decide to move away from Freeview if they can no longer make money from the slapper channels. After all Freeview a once great platform is still the most expensive EPG to get on some legit channels rely on the leasing of space to the slapper channels in order to help pay for their EPG slot. Take that away from them and they may leave.

Very true. Once again big companies and corporations are getting revenue out of porn (yes I know the slapper channels are not strictly porn!) & adult services. Only this time instead of Disney or AOL (both are well documented btw, Google will reveal all) its now TV channels we all know in the UK. Good to see the trend continuing.

NEWLINEtv · 04-11-2009, 08:38

fantastic news, finally the slapper channels to be gone

yay!

roddydogs · 04-11-2009, 09:05

Whats a slapper channel?

lstar337 · 04-11-2009, 09:37

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Originally Posted by roddydogs

Whats a slapper channel?

They are the ones with a girl on a sofa chatting to people on the phone.

03-11-2009, 14:02	#1
Ray Cathode Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Guildford / Crystal Palace Services: Freeview; TUTV; FreeSat HD; FTA satellite; DAB; FM; DAT45+MRD; Log Periodic Posts: 7,369	Slapper channels could be gone from Freeview by early 2010 Ofcon have released a regulatory statement and new consultation on Adult PRS services. http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/cond...ticipationtv3/ It appears that they require the slapper channels to be in a segregated part of the EPG although not encrypted. It is currently not possible to segregate off any channels on Freeview although future receivers might be capable of doing this. This means that if the current consultation becomes a final regulatory statement in early 2010, as usual with Ofcon consultations, then slapper channels would have to be removed from Freeview. Obviously cable and $ky EPGs can be segregated so there would be no problem there. Not sure about FreeSat as there are no slapper channels on it yet. I presume that Ofcon disregard FTA satellite viewing. The whole thing seems to be a way of getting the slapper channels off Freeview without closing them down completely. The usual Ofcon smoke and mirrors trick.

03-11-2009, 14:25	#3
lstar337 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Somersets Mighty Mendip Tx! Services: Toshiba 32WLT66, Anytime DTR, FTV DSAT, Custom Media Server, ADSL24 BB Posts: 7,736	I said they would go the way of the quiz channels.

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chris20 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Services: freeview/setanta with freesat and virgin mobile Posts: 3,254	hope they all close down and channels can go back to being on longer hours or let slot out to news channels.

03-11-2009, 15:57	#9
a516 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: East Midlands Services: Freeview \| DAB \| O2 Broadband Posts: 545	Ofcom have had a good idea. Must be a blue moon

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Charnham Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: nr Peterborough, England Services: regenerating into wamdue Posts: 15,727	ok I think I got it now thanks. hopefully this does happen.

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rotty Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sunny Sand Bay Services: Wharfedale TU500DTR, TuTV, Panasonic DMR-HS2 DVD Recorder, Demon ADSL Posts: 624	They (the slapper channel provders) may get round this by hiding behind an MHEG screen a-la TVX. I'm sure that creating an additional premium rate number to call to unlock the screen would be quite attractive to them. Knowing how the NuLab quango regulators are oft happy to roll over in favour of big organisations instead of protecting the public/consumer interest (particularly if there are taxes to be had), then I can see a watered down version such as above happening.

03-11-2009, 17:48	#14
michael21 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,281	Hi Ray i have more good news http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...1140436&page=5 post 114

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DAVE02 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sandwich kent, Dover SC TX Services: Sky +HD, Orange Broadband Max off-net , DEll Dimension 3000 with 1.25GB Posts: 739	i dont think babestation or bangbabes well leave as i think they well jest stop using 09 numbers & us 0870 numbers in they place

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neon-lightning Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Lanarkshire, Scotland Services: Freeview (Blackhill Tx), Sky+HD, Sky Multiroom, Windows 7 Media Center Posts: 25	The new rules should also include the gambling channels along with the slapper and psychic channels.

03-11-2009, 23:52	#21
angustay Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 543	The slapper channels generate income for some of the legit channels on freeview if they are removed or moved else where then the legit channels could decide to move away from Freeview if they can no longer make money from the slapper channels. After all Freeview a once great platform is still the most expensive EPG to get on some legit channels rely on the leasing of space to the slapper channels in order to help pay for their EPG slot. Take that away from them and they may leave.

04-11-2009, 08:38	#23
NEWLINEtv Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,054	fantastic news, finally the slapper channels to be gone yay!

04-11-2009, 09:05	#24
roddydogs Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,229	Whats a slapper channel?