STV Champions league v ITV? - Broadcasting

OnexOne · 04-11-2009, 20:02

Why has STV go there own crew for these champions league matches? Rob McLean presenting with terry butcher and then theres the commentry team of ian crocker and craig burley! no wonder stv havent got much money? why pay these guys when they can take the uk wide itv coverage of the champions league?

ariusuk · 04-11-2009, 20:48

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

Why has STV go there own crew for these champions league matches? Rob McLean presenting with terry butcher and then theres the commentry team of ian crocker and craig burley! no wonder stv havent got much money? why pay these guys when they can take the uk wide itv coverage of the champions league?

They think they can do it themselves cheaper.

krooney · 04-11-2009, 20:51

Hasn't STV had a big falling-out with ITV??

jenzie · 04-11-2009, 22:07

STV want to have SOME sort of presense on it, otherwise it would look like a complete embarresment .....

as the ONLY SODDING FEDERATION to NOT have their team represented by their OWN tv station!!!!

but thanks to ITV being jealous of stv even DARING to opt out of programming, they have done this to us!

JSemple3 · 04-11-2009, 22:18

Whole STV ITV situation is a complete farce unfortunately.

OnexOne · 04-11-2009, 22:36

i hate the stv presentation! it a joke!

carnoch04 · 05-11-2009, 00:19

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

Why has STV go there own crew for these champions league matches? Rob McLean presenting with terry butcher and then theres the commentry team of ian crocker and craig burley! no wonder stv havent got much money? why pay these guys when they can take the uk wide itv coverage of the champions league?

It's not an STV crew, it's contracted out. Crocker does SPL games for Sky and McLean does Saturday Score for BBC.

OnexOne · 05-11-2009, 10:33

it cant be contracted out! itv have there own team? why does stv need crocker and mclean? why dont they just take the itv feed!

The Wanderer · 05-11-2009, 10:40

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

it cant be contracted out! itv have there own team? why does stv need crocker and mclean? why dont they just take the itv feed!

It might be to have more of a Scottish influence in the coverage (this argument won't hold for the live game, but STV do a highlights show where I presume Rangers have been the featured game when playing on Wednesday)

It could also because of promotion issues, eg ITV advertised FA Cup coverage for this weekend which won't be on STV

As arius said, STV probably think they can produce a show cheaper than paying for the network coverage

crofter · 05-11-2009, 10:48

They probably signed "The A Team" up to commentate on the Scottish Champions - only to find out that they were not actually going to be showing any of their games ... so maybe they were under contract??

But you would think if they are taking pictures from ITV1 why not take the commentary and presentation team as well??

ALANM · 05-11-2009, 11:24

Leaving aside the issue of who provides the commentary and analysis, I can't understand why STV is bothering to show the Champions League at all...

Most of the Scottish football audience would've been tuned into Sky for the Rangers match (or watching in the pub) and ITV's coverage of the Liverpool match was already available fta via satellite and cable to viewers in Scotland.

STV would probably have attracted a bigger audience (and saved themselves a small fortune) by showing an old film instead

bbc4ever · 05-11-2009, 11:28

And yet, for not buying the rights to a competition featuring ZERO Scottish clubs and which is similarly available on Satelite and Cable, they get lambasted by people on here!

STV can't win.
For the record, I'm glad that there is at least some Scottish-centric coverage of the Champions League. Although Scotland must be the ONLY UEFA member present in the Group Stages to not get its club shown on free TV at all.

ALANM · 05-11-2009, 11:49

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Originally Posted by bbc4ever

...Scotland must be the ONLY UEFA member present in the Group Stages to not get its club shown on free TV at all.

I think the blame for this situation lies entirely with UEFA rather than ITV. They appear to have insisted that rights for Scottish and English clubs were bundled together, leaving Scottish viewers entirely at the mercy of the London based UK networks.

Andy Rimmer · 05-11-2009, 12:19

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Originally Posted by ALANM

I think the blame for this situation lies entirely with UEFA rather than ITV. They appear to have insisted that rights for Scottish and English clubs were bundled together, leaving Scottish viewers entirely at the mercy of the London based UK networks.

Well they do that because most channels here are UK wide channels rather than channels broadcasting solely to one country. STV has only recently decided to break from that but whether it suits them or not they are still part of a UK ITV network. So from UEFA's point of view for the past 17 years of the Champions League they have had no Scottish channels to sell to. Once they were all regional networks.

Maybe the situation should be changed now with scottish only rights being sold or them forcing ITV to allow STV to opt out but UEFA couldn't have forseen when the rights were sold that STV and ITV would have a dummy spitting contest.

linkinpark875 · 05-11-2009, 13:03

STV's coverage is much better. They use the same faces from the old Setanta Sports days.

I tend to watch on ITV HD for better picture though.

Simon Jackson · 05-11-2009, 13:43

It's still bizzare not to show Rangers though. Now we see the STV crew doing English teams' games. Does this even apply to the final?

linkinpark875 · 05-11-2009, 13:56

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Originally Posted by Simon Jackson

It's still bizzare not to show Rangers though. Now we see the STV crew doing English teams' games. Does this even apply to the final?

ITV won't touch it as it won't appeal to everybody. STV just buy pictures from ITV.

joebloggs90 · 05-11-2009, 14:31

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Originally Posted by ALANM

...Most of the Scottish football audience would've been tuned into Sky for the Rangers match (or watching in the pub) and ITV's coverage of the Liverpool match was already available fta via satellite and cable to viewers in Scotland...

For the record, I don't have Sky Sports as I can't justify the cost (nor am I a pub frequenter), and had no interest in the Liverpool game so my only option was to hang til half ten when STV were showing the Rangers game (I agree tho, STV's presentation is awful as are Butchers puns:-p).

I don't know if it is penny-pinching by STV, ITV in a huff, or the terrestial Champions League rights, but STV used to opt out of the live game featuring English teams and show a Scottish team if there was one playing on the same night.

Simon Jackson · 05-11-2009, 14:36

A simalar thing happed many years ago in 1996 in the days when only 1 English team (Man Utd on this occasion) played in the CL and Rangers who were the Scottish represtives had already been elimated early. So STV showed Man Utd's coverage when Rangers were still playing their last 2 games in their group and I remember there was a sea of angry Rangers fans outside STV's studios when they stopped showing Rangers as they were already elminated.

Man Utd lost in the semi-finals that season bTW

OnexOne · 05-11-2009, 16:25

wait a minute! im a football fan in general! and, am i the only one north of the border that might not be too bothered to watch rangers in the champions league? im quite happy with watching whoever itv go for whether it be english based or scottish based! i grew up watching english teams in europe, infact the majority of scottish kids had a english team as there 2nd team as a kid! so getting to see the liverpool's and man u's in europe was just the norm.

looking back to even the champs league qualifier between rangers and leeds 92/93 season, i took in ulster tv (itv nationwide coverage) at the time as opposed to stv's coverage which was amateurish then aswell as opposed to the great brian moore and ron atkinson on itv.

i would say the majority of fans north of the border were watching liverpool's meaningful match v lyon as opposed to gers v who is it again? ive forgot?

The Wanderer · 05-11-2009, 17:42

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

i would say the majority of fans north of the border were watching liverpool's meaningful match v lyon as opposed to gers v who is it again? ive forgot?

Unirea Urziceni. I can pronounce it too

ALANM · 05-11-2009, 19:06

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

im quite happy with watching whoever itv go for whether it be english based or scottish based...

Well I suppose that's your prerogative and no doubt there will be others here who'll agree with you. The problem is that if everyone in Scotland shared that point of view it wouldn't be long before all the tv money drained away and there wasn't any Scottish football left to watch.

There's nothing that our London based tv networks would like more than ditching Scottish football coverage altogether in order to extend the market for English teams north of the border; they'd get bigger audiences for matches which they already cover and could pocket the money currently spent buying rights to football in Scotland. The warning signs are already flashing and in the end the losers will be the Scottish clubs and those who support them.

OnexOne · 06-11-2009, 00:19

here's hoping, i cant stand watching boring scottish clubs! as for the spl? i dont know of anyone that has a good word to say about it! 2nd most boring league, the only one that beats it is the italian.

carnoch04 · 06-11-2009, 02:43

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

it cant be contracted out! itv have there own team? why does stv need crocker and mclean? why dont they just take the itv feed!

It was contracted out to Setanta last season.

fortythree · 06-11-2009, 11:44

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Originally Posted by OnexOne

here's hoping, i cant stand watching boring scottish clubs! as for the spl? i dont know of anyone that has a good word to say about it!

I enjoy Scottish football, so here's one person you've found! http://images.digitalspy.co.uk/forum/smilies/smile.gif

04-11-2009, 20:02	#1
OnexOne Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ayrshire Services: sky+ Posts: 2,020	STV Champions league v ITV? Why has STV go there own crew for these champions league matches? Rob McLean presenting with terry butcher and then theres the commentry team of ian crocker and craig burley! no wonder stv havent got much money? why pay these guys when they can take the uk wide itv coverage of the champions league?

04-11-2009, 20:51	#3
krooney Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: County Down Services: Talk Talk, Telefis Eireann, TV3, Freeview, ESPN, DAB/Internet Radio, PS3 Posts: 355	Hasn't STV had a big falling-out with ITV??

04-11-2009, 22:07	#4
jenzie Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: one very messy room :0 Services: VM M-Broadband - sky digital 2mix Posts: 7,806	STV want to have SOME sort of presense on it, otherwise it would look like a complete embarresment ..... as the ONLY SODDING FEDERATION to NOT have their team represented by their OWN tv station!!!! but thanks to ITV being jealous of stv even DARING to opt out of programming, they have done this to us!

04-11-2009, 22:18	#5
JSemple3 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,239	Whole STV ITV situation is a complete farce unfortunately.

04-11-2009, 22:36	#6
OnexOne Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ayrshire Services: sky+ Posts: 2,020	i hate the stv presentation! it a joke!

05-11-2009, 10:33	#8
OnexOne Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ayrshire Services: sky+ Posts: 2,020	it cant be contracted out! itv have there own team? why does stv need crocker and mclean? why dont they just take the itv feed!

05-11-2009, 10:48	#10
crofter Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 104	They probably signed "The A Team" up to commentate on the Scottish Champions - only to find out that they were not actually going to be showing any of their games ... so maybe they were under contract?? But you would think if they are taking pictures from ITV1 why not take the commentary and presentation team as well??

05-11-2009, 11:24	#11
ALANM Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Reading Services: Freeview, VM 10mb Broadband, V+ XL Posts: 1,613	Leaving aside the issue of who provides the commentary and analysis, I can't understand why STV is bothering to show the Champions League at all... Most of the Scottish football audience would've been tuned into Sky for the Rangers match (or watching in the pub) and ITV's coverage of the Liverpool match was already available fta via satellite and cable to viewers in Scotland. STV would probably have attracted a bigger audience (and saved themselves a small fortune) by showing an old film instead

05-11-2009, 11:28	#12
bbc4ever Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 705	And yet, for not buying the rights to a competition featuring ZERO Scottish clubs and which is similarly available on Satelite and Cable, they get lambasted by people on here! STV can't win. For the record, I'm glad that there is at least some Scottish-centric coverage of the Champions League. Although Scotland must be the ONLY UEFA member present in the Group Stages to not get its club shown on free TV at all.

05-11-2009, 13:03	#15
linkinpark875 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 8,529	STV's coverage is much better. They use the same faces from the old Setanta Sports days. I tend to watch on ITV HD for better picture though.

05-11-2009, 13:43	#16
Simon Jackson Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Posts: 7,219	It's still bizzare not to show Rangers though. Now we see the STV crew doing English teams' games. Does this even apply to the final?

05-11-2009, 14:36	#19
Simon Jackson Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Posts: 7,219	A simalar thing happed many years ago in 1996 in the days when only 1 English team (Man Utd on this occasion) played in the CL and Rangers who were the Scottish represtives had already been elimated early. So STV showed Man Utd's coverage when Rangers were still playing their last 2 games in their group and I remember there was a sea of angry Rangers fans outside STV's studios when they stopped showing Rangers as they were already elminated. Man Utd lost in the semi-finals that season bTW

05-11-2009, 16:25	#20
OnexOne Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ayrshire Services: sky+ Posts: 2,020	wait a minute! im a football fan in general! and, am i the only one north of the border that might not be too bothered to watch rangers in the champions league? im quite happy with watching whoever itv go for whether it be english based or scottish based! i grew up watching english teams in europe, infact the majority of scottish kids had a english team as there 2nd team as a kid! so getting to see the liverpool's and man u's in europe was just the norm. looking back to even the champs league qualifier between rangers and leeds 92/93 season, i took in ulster tv (itv nationwide coverage) at the time as opposed to stv's coverage which was amateurish then aswell as opposed to the great brian moore and ron atkinson on itv. i would say the majority of fans north of the border were watching liverpool's meaningful match v lyon as opposed to gers v who is it again? ive forgot?

06-11-2009, 00:19	#23
OnexOne Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ayrshire Services: sky+ Posts: 2,020	here's hoping, i cant stand watching boring scottish clubs! as for the spl? i dont know of anyone that has a good word to say about it! 2nd most boring league, the only one that beats it is the italian.