The Dreadful Radio 2 Playlist - Again - Radio

johnpetters · 07-11-2009, 18:26

I see that after a few weeks where the duplication with Radio One reduced somewhat, we are back up to 31 percent with the current playlist!
Duplicates are:
Alesha Dixon - To Love Again
Cheryl Cole - Fight For This Love
Leona Lewis - Happy
Paolo Nutini - Pencil Full Of Lead
Mika - Rain
Pixie Lott - Cry Me Out
James Morrison - Get To You
Lily Allen- Who’d Have Known
Newton Faulkner- Over And Out

Not bad for a station that is SO DISTINCTIVE from everything else on the network.

Well done the Radio 2 Playlist committee for showing so much independence of view and such creative imagination.

This clearly reflects a mindset amongst the producers at Radio 2, who clearly think that music began in 1960, as eveidenced by the back peddling on the new Great British Songbook Board when it was pointed out that the Brits were composing top notch songs before Lennon and McCartney were born.

Mapperley Ridge · 07-11-2009, 18:37

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Originally Posted by johnpetters

Well done the Radio 2 Playlist committee for showing so much independence of view and such creative imagination.

This clearly reflects a mindset amongst the producers at Radio 2, who clearly think that music began in 1960, as eveidenced by the back peddling on the new Great British Songbook Board when it was pointed out that the Brits were composing top notch songs before Lennon and McCartney were born.

But you've neglected to note that the same list contains music clearly influenced from before that era

Jace Everett- Bad Things : Has its roots in blues

Ingrid Michaelson - Maybe : Distinctive country/folk feel

Susan Boyle - Wild Horses : If you're calling that a pop song you have a very strange view of the genre

There are also songs from Norah Jones and Roseanne Cash/

And how about this - name me one other conventional station that would play such a mix in the first place? By that I mean one already on the FM band or on DAB.

You see John, to use your academic phrase, we can all "evidence" a viewpoint by being selective with our arguments. Which is probably why yours fall down so often.

RikScot · 07-11-2009, 18:59

Here we go again

Martin Phillp · 07-11-2009, 19:02

Could it be sheer coincidence that the artists John mentions all have releases out in the near future? Alas more of a crossover with R1 this week.

Orthicon · 07-11-2009, 20:08

No mention of the Service Licence this time? Oh, wait... We're only at post 5.

johnpetters · 07-11-2009, 20:17

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Originally Posted by Mapperley Ridge

But you've neglected to note that the same list contains music clearly influenced from before that era

Evenin' Mapperley. You've missed the point. I made no comment on the style of the music, just the duplication, which is unjustifyable in my view, give what Tim Davie said on the Media show a while back. I didn't mention the word 'pop'. Susan Biyle is one of the artistes not on the Radio 1 list.

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Originally Posted by Mapperley Ridge

You see John, to use your academic phrase, we can all "evidence" a viewpoint by being selective with our arguments. Which is probably why yours fall down so often.

So it is fine as far as you are concerned that there is a 31 percent duplication? Wouldn't you prefer a total distinct playlist from the two state funded network stations which are designed to serve completely different audiences?

johnpetters · 07-11-2009, 20:18

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Originally Posted by Orthicon

No mention of the Service Licence this time? Oh, wait... We're only at post 5.

I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it!

johnpetters · 07-11-2009, 20:20

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Originally Posted by Martin Phillp

Could it be sheer coincidence that the artists John mentions all have releases out in the near future? Alas more of a crossover with R1 this week.

It did look like they were making an effort a few weeks ago, but we are back to the same situation as we were in before. I'm sure there are many more artistes with new releases than just those.

dynamoe88 · 08-11-2009, 00:03

Oh hi!

Radio 2 has 31% of the same songs as Radio 1?

Hmm, well that's conclusive proof that if nothing else this thread will be merged with the 'Radio 2.............'.

Happy eating munchers!

Steve Buck · 08-11-2009, 03:28

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Originally Posted by johnpetters

I see that after a few weeks where the duplication with Radio One reduced somewhat, we are back up to 31 percent with the current playlist!
Duplicates are:
Alesha Dixon - To Love Again
Cheryl Cole - Fight For This Love
Leona Lewis - Happy
Paolo Nutini - Pencil Full Of Lead
Mika - Rain
Pixie Lott - Cry Me Out
James Morrison - Get To You
Lily Allen- Who’d Have Known
Newton Faulkner- Over And Out

So what? Clearly these are all artists that will appeal to a very broad demographic. The fact that they're also on Radio 1 is entirely irrelevant.

It would be a disservice to Radio 2's audience to deny them songs they might enjoy purely because they're also on Radio 1!

In reality - accoding to comparemyradio.com - Radio 2 shares only 6% of its music with Radio 1.

Peter the Great · 08-11-2009, 07:34

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Originally Posted by RikScot

Here we go again

Absolutely. Digital spy wouldn't Digital spy without johnpetters starting up a weekly let's slag off Radio 2 thread.

Oldvinyl · 08-11-2009, 08:00

There's a Playlist ?

frank james · 08-11-2009, 08:02

Despite being on loads of TV this week. I've noticed Sting isn't on the playlist and Radio 2 does seem to ignore a lot of the older artists in favour of music you can hear everywhere else.

jon craig · 08-11-2009, 13:12

John

During your early days posting on DS I respected your arguments and standpoint on Radio 2. I never agreed, but understood the point you were making.

That respect is rapidly disappearing due to a combination of your incessant, almost relentless posting, setting up multiple threads, just to tell us that your viewpoint this week is the same as your viewpoint last week, plus your complete inability to respond to some of the very sensible points made in counter to your arguments.

To me at least, you have almost become a charicature of the orignal John Petters - the Victor Meldrew of DS.

Do the BBC Trust look at these forums? No
Does Jeff Smith read these forums before his playlist committee meet? I doubt it.

I'm not sure now what you're trying to achieve.

To deal with your point - for many listeners Radio 2 is the natural progression for many 'growing out' of Radio 1. Some make the change earlier, others much later, but either way it is entirely logical that there is some overlap in the playlists. You don't wake up one morning suddenly hating everything Radio 1 plays, instead seeking sanctuary in Radio 2.

Steve Buck makes 2 points that are undeniable. Not every artist appeals to a distinct age group - artists like Alesha Dixon, backed up by her current popularity could appeal equally to 20 year olds and 50 year olds - it is entirely appropriate that crossover artists like her can appear on both stations playlists.

Finally, the playlist constitutes only a small part of Radio 2's output, and as Steve pointed out, only 6% of musical output overlaps across the two networks. Surely 6% is an acceptable level of overlap?

Murray Mint · 08-11-2009, 13:35

Here we go again. John Petters complaining about the Radio 2 playlist.

Why listen to Radio 2 if you dislike its playlist so much? Why not do us all a favour and listen to your precious Paul Barnes repetively on iPlayer? Problem solved.

No matter how much you persistently bellyache about Radio 2's daytime music policy, it will not make any difference whatsoever.

I'll say this - again - for your benefit John, because you haven't got a clue about Radio 2. Your campaign to change Radio 2's daytime music policy is ridiculous and pointless. Radio 2 will not change its daytime music policy all the while the station attracts an audience of over 13 million.

The recent RAJAR release said Radio 2's audience has increased. Therefore, Radio 2 is clearly doing something right.

Hayden · 08-11-2009, 13:37

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Originally Posted by Murray Mint

Here we go again. John Petters complaining about the Radio 2 playlist.

Why listen to Radio 2 if you dislike its playlist so much? Why not do us all a favour and listen to your precious Paul Barnes repetively on iPlayer? Problem solved.

No matter how much you persistently bellyache about Radio 2's daytime music policy, it will not make any difference whatsoever.

I'll say this - again - for your benefit John, because you haven't got a clue about Radio 2. Your campaign to change Radio 2's daytime music policy is ridiculous and pointless. Radio 2 will not change its daytime music policy all the while the station attracts an audience of over 13 million.

The recent RAJAR release said Radio 2's audience has increased. Therefore, Radio 2 is clearly doing something right.

You've got a cheek

Murray Mint · 08-11-2009, 13:40

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Originally Posted by Hayden

You've got a cheek

Maybe so! However, unlike John Petters, I haven't produced a video ranting about Radio 2, dressing up personal opinion as fact, then posted the video on YouTube!

If Bob Shennan has seen John's video on YouTube, I very much doubt he is bricking himself!

Newsbuff · 08-11-2009, 14:12

They've got me hooked. Whether it is on the playlist or not, Steve Wright played Glen Frey's 'You Belong to the City' after the news last Friday.
Radio 2 plays adult contemporary songs I haven't heard for years, or only when I've been in America. I think it's great, at least in the daytime.

RED KITE · 08-11-2009, 14:25

John I think you should give up listening to Radio 2 and listen to a station like this:

http://www.ourkindofmusic.co.uk/

BBC Radio 1, 3, 1 Xtra and Asian Network don't play the music I like either but it doesn't bother me. A music station will never be all things to all people no matter how hard you try.

Murray Mint · 08-11-2009, 14:28

John's vision of how Radio 2 should sound is twenty years out of date.

mbessex · 08-11-2009, 14:42

[quote=jon craig;36529159]

Steve Buck makes 2 points that are undeniable. Not every artist appeals to a distinct age group - artists like Alesha Dixon, backed up by her current popularity could appeal equally to 20 year olds and 50 year olds -QUOTE]

She did Friday night is music night last December and was by far the most popular singer with the audience - average age I'd guess at mid 60's!!!

Mapperley Ridge · 08-11-2009, 15:47

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Originally Posted by johnpetters

Evenin' Mapperley. You've missed the point. I made no comment on the style of the music, just the duplication, which is unjustifyable in my view, give what Tim Davie said on the Media show a while back. I didn't mention the word 'pop'. Susan Biyle is one of the artistes not on the Radio 1 list.

So it is fine as far as you are concerned that there is a 31 percent duplication? Wouldn't you prefer a total distinct playlist from the two state funded network stations which are designed to serve completely different audiences?

Please remind those posters not familiar with it - what did Tim Davie say and how did he back up your argument?

My own point was to "evidence" (I'll continue to use your words so you can be in no doubt what I mean) the fact that 69 per cent - the vast majority - are not duplicates.

As others have rightly pointed out, Radio 1 and 2 have wide crossover appeal, especially for the audience in the 29-39 age group. It is entirely sensible, therefore, to have a platlist that also crosses the boundaries.

As for your claim that you made no comment the style, you're clearly having a senior moment because in the OP you said

This clearly reflects a mindset amongst the producers at Radio 2, who clearly think that music began in 1960, as eveidenced by the back peddling on the new Great British Songbook Board when it was pointed out that the Brits were composing top notch songs before Lennon and McCartney were born

If that's not a reference to style, please tell me what is?

I'll say this for the last time - because I agree, your threads are becoming a kind of OCD for you - Radio 2 does not exist in isolation, but as a family of stations and content provided by the BBC.

Just one final thing - did the Trust respond to your letter - the one you sent to the response you've still not published on here?

Mapperley Ridge · 08-11-2009, 15:51

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Originally Posted by Martin Phillp

Could it be sheer coincidence that the artists John mentions all have releases out in the near future?

Good point. Radio 2 must play a certain percentage of new releases, and before anything is considered for the playlist it must be commercially available. We're also approaching Christmas, so it's entirely understandable why so many "big name" artists are releasing singles that appeal to a wide demographic, and hence ending up on both playlists.

Ramsay Ladders · 08-11-2009, 16:30

Do the playlists of Radio 1 and 2 need to be completley unique anyway? I am in my 40's but still love some new music but couldn't stomach more than 30 minutes of Radio 1

To say all over 40's just want to hear music from the 50's and 60's is ridiculous.

Hullboy · 08-11-2009, 17:38

You may wish to take time to read Ken Bruce's excellent autobiog Tracks of my years.

In it (page 152) he talks about the criticism received about the cross-over of music between R1 and R2...when he took over from Wogan on the breakfast show in the 80s.

The unsaid premise being R1 is playing "older" music not R2 playing the younger stuff.

Plus ca change....

07-11-2009, 18:26	#1
johnpetters Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 438	The Dreadful Radio 2 Playlist - Again I see that after a few weeks where the duplication with Radio One reduced somewhat, we are back up to 31 percent with the current playlist! Duplicates are: Alesha Dixon - To Love Again Cheryl Cole - Fight For This Love Leona Lewis - Happy Paolo Nutini - Pencil Full Of Lead Mika - Rain Pixie Lott - Cry Me Out James Morrison - Get To You Lily Allen- Who’d Have Known Newton Faulkner- Over And Out Not bad for a station that is SO DISTINCTIVE from everything else on the network. Well done the Radio 2 Playlist committee for showing so much independence of view and such creative imagination. This clearly reflects a mindset amongst the producers at Radio 2, who clearly think that music began in 1960, as eveidenced by the back peddling on the new Great British Songbook Board when it was pointed out that the Brits were composing top notch songs before Lennon and McCartney were born.

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RikScot Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 253	Here we go again

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Martin Phillp Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London Services: Freeview (Sharp TU-R160H) and DAB Posts: 10,905	Could it be sheer coincidence that the artists John mentions all have releases out in the near future? Alas more of a crossover with R1 this week.

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Orthicon Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 593	No mention of the Service Licence this time? Oh, wait... We're only at post 5.

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dynamoe88 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,770	Oh hi! Radio 2 has 31% of the same songs as Radio 1? Hmm, well that's conclusive proof that if nothing else this thread will be merged with the 'Radio 2.............'. Happy eating munchers!

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Oldvinyl Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Savoie Services: 80cm Dish. ADSL BB. WinXP Media Centre. Posts: 284	There's a Playlist ?

08-11-2009, 08:02	#13
frank james Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 865	Despite being on loads of TV this week. I've noticed Sting isn't on the playlist and Radio 2 does seem to ignore a lot of the older artists in favour of music you can hear everywhere else.

08-11-2009, 13:12	#14
jon craig Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 161	John During your early days posting on DS I respected your arguments and standpoint on Radio 2. I never agreed, but understood the point you were making. That respect is rapidly disappearing due to a combination of your incessant, almost relentless posting, setting up multiple threads, just to tell us that your viewpoint this week is the same as your viewpoint last week, plus your complete inability to respond to some of the very sensible points made in counter to your arguments. To me at least, you have almost become a charicature of the orignal John Petters - the Victor Meldrew of DS. Do the BBC Trust look at these forums? No Does Jeff Smith read these forums before his playlist committee meet? I doubt it. I'm not sure now what you're trying to achieve. To deal with your point - for many listeners Radio 2 is the natural progression for many 'growing out' of Radio 1. Some make the change earlier, others much later, but either way it is entirely logical that there is some overlap in the playlists. You don't wake up one morning suddenly hating everything Radio 1 plays, instead seeking sanctuary in Radio 2. Steve Buck makes 2 points that are undeniable. Not every artist appeals to a distinct age group - artists like Alesha Dixon, backed up by her current popularity could appeal equally to 20 year olds and 50 year olds - it is entirely appropriate that crossover artists like her can appear on both stations playlists. Finally, the playlist constitutes only a small part of Radio 2's output, and as Steve pointed out, only 6% of musical output overlaps across the two networks. Surely 6% is an acceptable level of overlap?

08-11-2009, 13:35	#15
Murray Mint Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,952	Here we go again. John Petters complaining about the Radio 2 playlist. Why listen to Radio 2 if you dislike its playlist so much? Why not do us all a favour and listen to your precious Paul Barnes repetively on iPlayer? Problem solved. No matter how much you persistently bellyache about Radio 2's daytime music policy, it will not make any difference whatsoever. I'll say this - again - for your benefit John, because you haven't got a clue about Radio 2. Your campaign to change Radio 2's daytime music policy is ridiculous and pointless. Radio 2 will not change its daytime music policy all the while the station attracts an audience of over 13 million. The recent RAJAR release said Radio 2's audience has increased. Therefore, Radio 2 is clearly doing something right.

08-11-2009, 14:12	#18
Newsbuff Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,554	They've got me hooked. Whether it is on the playlist or not, Steve Wright played Glen Frey's 'You Belong to the City' after the news last Friday. Radio 2 plays adult contemporary songs I haven't heard for years, or only when I've been in America. I think it's great, at least in the daytime.

08-11-2009, 14:25	#19
RED KITE Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 488	John I think you should give up listening to Radio 2 and listen to a station like this: http://www.ourkindofmusic.co.uk/ BBC Radio 1, 3, 1 Xtra and Asian Network don't play the music I like either but it doesn't bother me. A music station will never be all things to all people no matter how hard you try.

08-11-2009, 14:28	#20
Murray Mint Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,952	John's vision of how Radio 2 should sound is twenty years out of date.

08-11-2009, 14:42	#21
mbessex Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,505	[quote=jon craig;36529159] Steve Buck makes 2 points that are undeniable. Not every artist appeals to a distinct age group - artists like Alesha Dixon, backed up by her current popularity could appeal equally to 20 year olds and 50 year olds -QUOTE] She did Friday night is music night last December and was by far the most popular singer with the audience - average age I'd guess at mid 60's!!!

08-11-2009, 16:30	#24
Ramsay Ladders Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 793	Do the playlists of Radio 1 and 2 need to be completley unique anyway? I am in my 40's but still love some new music but couldn't stomach more than 30 minutes of Radio 1 To say all over 40's just want to hear music from the 50's and 60's is ridiculous.

08-11-2009, 17:38	#25
Hullboy Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hull Posts: 2,383	You may wish to take time to read Ken Bruce's excellent autobiog Tracks of my years. In it (page 152) he talks about the criticism received about the cross-over of music between R1 and R2...when he took over from Wogan on the breakfast show in the 80s. The unsaid premise being R1 is playing "older" music not R2 playing the younger stuff. Plus ca change....