penalty form- need help - Advice

zebrafish · 07-11-2009, 23:04

Hi

I have received a letter from speeding, 323mph, over 3mph. I don't know what to do with the form. I filled in with my name and address.

The problem is I lost my driving licence last week. But I have got counterpart form with me. My licence is on the way, I have got 28 days notice issue date (4/11/09).

They need driving licence, it said, if your licence unavailable, i have to contact the camera processing unit.

I cannot use the phone cos I'm deaf. I can't find emails anywhere at all, even on the safecam.com don't use email at all.

I also don't understand about Speed choice workshop, do I have to attend or not?

I am really stressed at the moment and panicking. I'm so confused. :-(

Thanks

DaisyBumbleroot · 07-11-2009, 23:08

your new license should be with you in 28 days id imagine. you could send in the paper counterpart and if they need your plastic bit then they will contact ou, this might give you some stalling time...

speed choice - if its what i think it is (go on a speed awareness course and you dont get points?), its up to you to choose points on your license or take the course

Hypnodisc · 07-11-2009, 23:12

323mph

I assume that was a typo

Chugalug · 07-11-2009, 23:12

323mph? Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze

zebrafish · 07-11-2009, 23:14

Thank for reply quickly.

On the form said, both part if it is a DVLA card and counterpart licence. I'm not sure what that means.

I think I'll send it to them anyway.

zebrafish · 07-11-2009, 23:15

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Originally Posted by Chugalug

323mph? Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze

OOOooooop!! Sorry! It's 33mph

Sigurd · 07-11-2009, 23:17

Zebrafish, if this is the Safecam organisation you refer to, you can contact them by email using the form on this page:

http://www.safecam.org.uk/cpu_contact/

Edit: Unfortunately, though, if you've been given a fixed penalty, that page doesn't seem to apply:

http://www.safecam.org.uk/contact_us/fixed_penalty.aspx

You could send them a letter, though.

Sigurd · 07-11-2009, 23:23

Zebrafish, is this the form you've been sent?

http://www.safecam.org.uk/general_in...ents/WHITE.pdf

zebrafish · 07-11-2009, 23:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sigurd

Zebrafish, is this the form you've been sent?

http://www.safecam.org.uk/general_in...ents/WHITE.pdf

Yeah I did received that.

Sigurd · 07-11-2009, 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by zebrafish

Yeah I did received that.

And have you been offered a fixed penalty?

zebrafish · 07-11-2009, 23:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sigurd

And have you been offered a fixed penalty?

Yes, they gave me fixed penalty of £60.

Sigurd · 07-11-2009, 23:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by zebrafish

Yes, they gave me fixed penalty of £60.

It looks reasonably straightforward then. You need to fill in page 3 of the document and you can forget about the rest of it.

However, as you say, the form says that if your licence is lost you must contact the Camera Processing Unit office before applying for the fixed penalty, so I guess you'd better write them a brief letter explaining the situation. You say that you have the paper part of your licence (the counterpart) and it may be that's what they want anyway so that they can show the penalty points on it.

Don't worry; it's a nuisance but not the end of the world!

PS: I'm assuming you agree that you were the driver and that you're accepting the penalty. Maybe you aren't, though?

Jason JAG Law · 08-11-2009, 08:05

The Association of Chief Police Officers have a speeding penalty formula guidance, set out below. I would suggest that as you were only 3 mph over the limit you should ask why they were not following their own Association's guidance. Assuming, that is, you were caught by speed camera. What follows is extracted from www.speedlimit.org.uk:

These guidelines set out the minimum figures at which a Fixed Penalty Notice and a Court Summons would normally be considered appropriate for a speeding offence, if there are no other aggravating circumstances. The minimum figure for a FPN is the posted limit + 10% + 2 mph. These figures are shown in the table below:

The ACPO Speed Enforcement Guidelines
Speed Limit (mph) Fixed Penalty Summons
20 25 35
30 35 50
40 46 66
50 57 76
60 68 86
70 79 96

The full details can be found on the ACPO website.

Bear in mind that exceeding a speed limit by any amount whatsoever is an absolute offence, and a police officer is fully entitled to charge a driver for doing, say, 31 in a 30 limit outside a school at closing time, or in a busy High Street.

However, since a speed camera or Talivan is unable to make any judgment as to aggravating circumstances, automated FPNs issued by these means should not normally fall below the Fixed Penalty level set by the formula. In the past, many Gatsos had thresholds set much higher - in the Metropolitan Police area they were originally set at 43 mph in 30 limits - but in recent years most have been brought down to the minimum ACPO figures. However, I have yet to see a case where someone has received an FPN from a camera or Talivan for a speed below these guidelines - although obviously this can be done by a police officer in person.

Given that most car speedometers overread by up to 10%, if you drive past a speed camera at up to an indicated 5 mph above the posted limit, you will normally be OK. On the motorway, an indicated 80 mph should not cause any problems.

07-11-2009, 23:04	#1
zebrafish Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 118	penalty form- need help Hi I have received a letter from speeding, 323mph, over 3mph. I don't know what to do with the form. I filled in with my name and address. The problem is I lost my driving licence last week. But I have got counterpart form with me. My licence is on the way, I have got 28 days notice issue date (4/11/09). They need driving licence, it said, if your licence unavailable, i have to contact the camera processing unit. I cannot use the phone cos I'm deaf. I can't find emails anywhere at all, even on the safecam.com don't use email at all. I also don't understand about Speed choice workshop, do I have to attend or not? I am really stressed at the moment and panicking. I'm so confused. :-( Thanks

07-11-2009, 23:08	#2
DaisyBumbleroot Forum Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Derby, UK Services: sky for tv, 02 for phone, virgin for internet Posts: 13,813	your new license should be with you in 28 days id imagine. you could send in the paper counterpart and if they need your plastic bit then they will contact ou, this might give you some stalling time... speed choice - if its what i think it is (go on a speed awareness course and you dont get points?), its up to you to choose points on your license or take the course

07-11-2009, 23:12	#3
Hypnodisc Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Gender: Male Location: Commuter Belt, West of London Services: Sky+ & Sky internet (Base). Resident Forum Benefits expert and defender! Posts: 4,283	323mph I assume that was a typo

07-11-2009, 23:12	#4
Chugalug Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Leicestershire Services: Freeview, NTL Cable Broadband Posts: 307	323mph? Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze

07-11-2009, 23:14	#5
zebrafish Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 118	Thank for reply quickly. On the form said, both part if it is a DVLA card and counterpart licence. I'm not sure what that means. I think I'll send it to them anyway.

07-11-2009, 23:17	#7
Sigurd Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Male Location: Galloway Posts: 13,348	Zebrafish, if this is the Safecam organisation you refer to, you can contact them by email using the form on this page: http://www.safecam.org.uk/cpu_contact/ Edit: Unfortunately, though, if you've been given a fixed penalty, that page doesn't seem to apply: http://www.safecam.org.uk/contact_us/fixed_penalty.aspx You could send them a letter, though.

07-11-2009, 23:23	#8
Sigurd Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Gender: Male Location: Galloway Posts: 13,348	Zebrafish, is this the form you've been sent? http://www.safecam.org.uk/general_in...ents/WHITE.pdf

08-11-2009, 08:05	#13
Jason JAG Law Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 20	The Association of Chief Police Officers have a speeding penalty formula guidance, set out below. I would suggest that as you were only 3 mph over the limit you should ask why they were not following their own Association's guidance. Assuming, that is, you were caught by speed camera. What follows is extracted from www.speedlimit.org.uk: These guidelines set out the minimum figures at which a Fixed Penalty Notice and a Court Summons would normally be considered appropriate for a speeding offence, if there are no other aggravating circumstances. The minimum figure for a FPN is the posted limit + 10% + 2 mph. These figures are shown in the table below: The ACPO Speed Enforcement Guidelines Speed Limit (mph) Fixed Penalty Summons 20 25 35 30 35 50 40 46 66 50 57 76 60 68 86 70 79 96 The full details can be found on the ACPO website. Bear in mind that exceeding a speed limit by any amount whatsoever is an absolute offence, and a police officer is fully entitled to charge a driver for doing, say, 31 in a 30 limit outside a school at closing time, or in a busy High Street. However, since a speed camera or Talivan is unable to make any judgment as to aggravating circumstances, automated FPNs issued by these means should not normally fall below the Fixed Penalty level set by the formula. In the past, many Gatsos had thresholds set much higher - in the Metropolitan Police area they were originally set at 43 mph in 30 limits - but in recent years most have been brought down to the minimum ACPO figures. However, I have yet to see a case where someone has received an FPN from a camera or Talivan for a speed below these guidelines - although obviously this can be done by a police officer in person. Given that most car speedometers overread by up to 10%, if you drive past a speed camera at up to an indicated 5 mph above the posted limit, you will normally be OK. On the motorway, an indicated 80 mph should not cause any problems.