EE: Do you think [SPOILER] is going to be leaving? - Soaps

Trovata · 08-11-2009, 01:22

Do you think that

spoiler:
Lucas

Is going to be leaving next year because of everything he has done, and commiting 2 murders and everything - leading him onto the path of destruction and too jail for justice to be served?

paddysu · 08-11-2009, 01:25

But trina was actually an accident though would probably be quite hard to prove that if he was found out in a few years time more likely to be charged ith concealing evidence.

I've not seen the last few weeks, or read spoilers, who else has he knocked off.

Sez_babe · 08-11-2009, 01:28

I'm not sure but I would guess they would leave in the near future - maybe a year or so? However, it depends on how this storyline plays out

Keeki · 08-11-2009, 03:11

After all he has done I don't see what other direction he could possibly go in other than the traditional bad-guy-is confronted-punished-and-exits-stage-left route.

Sez_babe · 08-11-2009, 03:35

Yeh I really don't see what else they could do.

missyalicia · 08-11-2009, 08:21

although exciting at the time, deep down the actor must be gutted cos we all know that soap villains rarely go unpunished, so committing murder is like signing his own death warrant.

glitta17 · 08-11-2009, 11:35

If you ask me they're trying to make Lucas in Tony of CS

Banimon! · 08-11-2009, 12:17

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Originally Posted by glitta17

If you ask me they're trying to make Lucas in Tony of CS

He'll never be as good as Tony! For one, not as good an actor, for two Tony has loads of dimensions to him and for three Tony's good looking and got a good story. Obviously my own personal opinion but to be honest Lucas' whole story line is just boring, even when Trina was dying in the shed I thought it was boring.

choc-a-bloc · 08-11-2009, 12:18

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Originally Posted by paddysu

But trina was actually an accident though would probably be quite hard to prove that if he was found out in a few years time more likely to be charged ith concealing evidence.

I've not seen the last few weeks, or read spoilers, who else has he knocked off.

spoiler:
He kills Owen at the end of the month, on his and Denise's wedding day.

choc-a-bloc · 08-11-2009, 12:27

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Originally Posted by glitta17

If you ask me they're trying to make Lucas in Tony of CS

I don't think they are. There are several key differences between the plots.

1. Tony arranged for Liam's murder, whilst Trina's death was a complete accident with Lucas covering up the death to rid himself of any involvement - a la Janine and Barry circa 2004.

2. The motivations. Tony's main reason was a burning jealousy that Carla loved another man, and that man had to be Liam - except now he's shown a deep regret for his actions. With Lucas, it seems that he believes that God is guiding him and that his actions are all justified - he genuinely thinks he has done what needed to be done for the better.

3. Tony hasn't physically killed anyone, aside from his unsuccessful attempt to strangle Jed Stone at Christmas. Lucas pushed Trina into the rake (by accident though), and

spoiler:
he kills Owen at the end of the month.

I also think the tone of both stories contrasts greatly. Corrie's taken Tony down a dark path but there's some good dark humour in it all as well, which I think has made it work, whereas Lucas' story is a lot more darker and sinister, particularly the religious aspect of it all.

cobis · 08-11-2009, 12:30

I can't see how he can stay, usually people have to be seen to be punished, although in saying that how many people has Phil Mitchell killed or had a part in their deaths and he is still around!

Banimon! · 08-11-2009, 12:35

choc-a-bloc, Tony doesn't regret killing Liam and I personally don't blame him, but he does feel guilty because he left Maria without a husband and baby Liam without a Dad.

amos_brearley · 08-11-2009, 13:05

I have to say I don't agree that Don Gilet is necessarily not as good an actor as Gray O' Brian. I Just think that Gray has been given far more range to portray in Corrie whereas Lucas is a bit of a cardboard cut out religious nutter. If anyone is watching the new 4th season of "Dexter", there are definite shades of a character from that in EE.

cobis · 08-11-2009, 13:23

I think Lucas is an interesting character because he is not using a religious facade to cover up murderous intentions, he actually does have a very strong faith but this other, violent side to his personality keeps breaking through.

I don't remember Denise mentioning a violent side to him when they were together, it seemed to be his drug addiction that split them up.

charmedend · 08-11-2009, 13:24

I don't understand how people keep on saying "oh but Lucas killing Trina was an accident" like he wouldn't be charged, of course he would!!! He didn't go out intending for her to die but as a result of his actions she ended up dead. Let's not forget that he DELIBERATELY injected her with drugs afterwards to cover up the fact that he pushed her onto the rake that killed her. Then there is the perverting the course of justice eliment and trying to make it look like it was Denise....

loco_loca · 08-11-2009, 15:27

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Originally Posted by charmedend

I don't understand how people keep on saying "oh but Lucas killing Trina was an accident" like he wouldn't be charged, of course he would!!! He didn't go out intending for her to die but as a result of his actions she ended up dead. Let's not forget that he DELIBERATELY injected her with drugs afterwards to cover up the fact that he pushed her onto the rake that killed her. Then there is the perverting the course of justice eliment and trying to make it look like it was Denise....

Actually if the Jury believed what actually happened ( the truth) he wouldn't be charged.

For murder he would need an intent to kill her or cause grievous bodily harm none of that was present.

For manslaughter, he'd have intended to apply unlawful force. Seeing as he pushed her back when she first assaulted him that would classify as self defence.

If he just went to the police straight away, tried to get her help etc. nothing would have happened. He made the situation serious by covering up her death.

ListedBuzz · 08-11-2009, 15:50

Of course, if Archie who hasn't killed someone has to leave for what he did, Lucas needs to be killed off.

Sick Bullet · 08-11-2009, 16:04

I hope some how Lucas stays around hes become great to watch.

kwscott · 08-11-2009, 16:18

After what he has done he will never be able to stay around long term but I hope he continues to stay around for a while yet

kyri · 08-11-2009, 16:19

I hope he can stay around for a while yet. He's a great character and more screen time for Denise is always a bonus for me!

Stupid_Head · 08-11-2009, 17:13

I'd rather Owen stayed around but we all know that isn't happening!

samj_namesake · 08-11-2009, 19:58

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Originally Posted by Stupid_Head

I'd rather Owen stayed around but we all know that isn't happening!

This statement is my feeling as well

missyalicia · 08-11-2009, 20:37

thinking about it, Lucas did kill T because he sat outside and left her to die. Had he dialled 999 she may have lived, but he wanted her to die to get her out of the way. I suppose it could be described as passive murder.

Pete Callan · 08-11-2009, 20:38

I bet he'll end up in some kind of situation where he has to kill Denise or Chelsea because they find out, but he himself dies somehow.

08-11-2009, 01:22	#1
Trovata Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 323	EE: Do you think [SPOILER] is going to be leaving? Do you think that spoiler: Lucas Is going to be leaving next year because of everything he has done, and commiting 2 murders and everything - leading him onto the path of destruction and too jail for justice to be served?

08-11-2009, 01:25	#2
paddysu Forum Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Brighton Services: Freeview Posts: 4,771 Blog Entries: 57	But trina was actually an accident though would probably be quite hard to prove that if he was found out in a few years time more likely to be charged ith concealing evidence. I've not seen the last few weeks, or read spoilers, who else has he knocked off.

08-11-2009, 01:28	#3
Sez_babe Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 54,390	I'm not sure but I would guess they would leave in the near future - maybe a year or so? However, it depends on how this storyline plays out

08-11-2009, 03:11	#4
Keeki Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 74	After all he has done I don't see what other direction he could possibly go in other than the traditional bad-guy-is confronted-punished-and-exits-stage-left route.

08-11-2009, 03:35	#5
Sez_babe Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 54,390	Yeh I really don't see what else they could do.

08-11-2009, 08:21	#6
missyalicia Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 348	although exciting at the time, deep down the actor must be gutted cos we all know that soap villains rarely go unpunished, so committing murder is like signing his own death warrant.

08-11-2009, 11:35	#7
glitta17 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: 'EndersCorrieHollyoaks'Dales Services: FriendsDesperate HousewivesWaterlooRoadRoyleFamily Posts: 2,293	If you ask me they're trying to make Lucas in Tony of CS

08-11-2009, 12:30	#11
cobis Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,434	I can't see how he can stay, usually people have to be seen to be punished, although in saying that how many people has Phil Mitchell killed or had a part in their deaths and he is still around!

08-11-2009, 12:35	#12
Banimon! Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: hugging jack :) Services: to Glasvegas! The best band out there! Posts: 1,325	choc-a-bloc, Tony doesn't regret killing Liam and I personally don't blame him, but he does feel guilty because he left Maria without a husband and baby Liam without a Dad.

08-11-2009, 13:05	#13
amos_brearley Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Spain with Annie Services: Channel 4's a bit exotic for me Posts: 6,157	I have to say I don't agree that Don Gilet is necessarily not as good an actor as Gray O' Brian. I Just think that Gray has been given far more range to portray in Corrie whereas Lucas is a bit of a cardboard cut out religious nutter. If anyone is watching the new 4th season of "Dexter", there are definite shades of a character from that in EE.

08-11-2009, 13:23	#14
cobis Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,434	I think Lucas is an interesting character because he is not using a religious facade to cover up murderous intentions, he actually does have a very strong faith but this other, violent side to his personality keeps breaking through. I don't remember Denise mentioning a violent side to him when they were together, it seemed to be his drug addiction that split them up.

08-11-2009, 13:24	#15
charmedend Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 231	I don't understand how people keep on saying "oh but Lucas killing Trina was an accident" like he wouldn't be charged, of course he would!!! He didn't go out intending for her to die but as a result of his actions she ended up dead. Let's not forget that he DELIBERATELY injected her with drugs afterwards to cover up the fact that he pushed her onto the rake that killed her. Then there is the perverting the course of justice eliment and trying to make it look like it was Denise....

08-11-2009, 15:50	#17
ListedBuzz Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Great Britain Posts: 4,304	Of course, if Archie who hasn't killed someone has to leave for what he did, Lucas needs to be killed off.

08-11-2009, 16:04	#18
Sick Bullet Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chadderton Posts: 262	I hope some how Lucas stays around hes become great to watch.

08-11-2009, 16:18	#19
kwscott Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: At Home Services: Virgin Media Posts: 5,707	After what he has done he will never be able to stay around long term but I hope he continues to stay around for a while yet

08-11-2009, 16:19	#20
kyri Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Services: Team Walsh ~ John and Edward Posts: 20,217	I hope he can stay around for a while yet. He's a great character and more screen time for Denise is always a bonus for me!

08-11-2009, 17:13	#21
Stupid_Head Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 9,042	I'd rather Owen stayed around but we all know that isn't happening!

08-11-2009, 20:37	#23
missyalicia Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 348	thinking about it, Lucas did kill T because he sat outside and left her to die. Had he dialled 999 she may have lived, but he wanted her to die to get her out of the way. I suppose it could be described as passive murder.

08-11-2009, 20:38	#24
Pete Callan Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Cornwall Posts: 15,597	I bet he'll end up in some kind of situation where he has to kill Denise or Chelsea because they find out, but he himself dies somehow.