The PUBLIC spoke - this was DEMOCRACY in action - The X Factor

Hackjaw · 08-11-2009, 21:53

Why all the anger at Simon? It was a show that the public decides, and they obviously thought Lucie was the worst and inferior to the mighty JEDWARD.

He's not trying to protect "his" acts, there is no such thing, thats just a little gimmick for the show, ultimately he makes money out of them whoever they "belong" to.

The PUBLIC vote was adhered to and democracy meant that Lucie - the least popular contestant this week - got the boot. No ifs, no buts, you can't moan and cry and pretend to be "boycotting" the show just because you are anti-democracy.

WelshNige · 08-11-2009, 21:55

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Originally Posted by Hackjaw

Why all the anger at Simon? It was a show that the public decides, and they obviously thought Lucie was the worst and inferior to the mighty JEDWARD.

He's not trying to protect "his" acts, there is no such thing, thats just a little gimmick for the show, ultimately he makes money out of them whoever they "belong" to.

The PUBLIC vote was adhered to and democracy meant that Lucie - the least popular contestant this week - got the boot. No ifs, no buts, you can't moan and cry and pretend to be "boycotting" the show just because you are anti-democracy.

The public decide who are the bottom two, the judges are SUPPOSED to then decide who stays/goes based on who gives the best/worst performance in the sing off.

Tonight's sham shows just what a crock that is....

Jaymitch1 · 08-11-2009, 21:56

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Originally Posted by WelshNige

The public decide who are the bottom two, the judges are SUPPOSED to then decide who stays/goes based on who gives the best/worst performance in the sing off.

Tonight's sham shows just what a crock that is....

EXACTLY. alot of people still dont grasp this fact, whats the point in the sing-off, if it always boils down to the public vote in the end anyway!?

Helbore · 08-11-2009, 21:57

Democracy involves only allowing one vote per individual over the age of 18.

So clearly, this vote has NOTHING to do with democracy - and it never has.

Hackjaw · 08-11-2009, 21:58

A sham would be people spending all that money on voting, only for their voting money to be disregarded in favour of one man's decision. The popular vote was in JEDWARD's favour, and they were the rightful winners.

Democracy is a beuatiful thing!

neelia · 08-11-2009, 21:58

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Originally Posted by Helbore

Democracy involves only allowing one vote per individual over the age of 18.

So clearly, this vote has NOTHING to do with democracy - and it never has.

Well quite (although it doesn't need to be 18)

solitaire1 · 08-11-2009, 21:58

YES!!!! Too right!!!

WelshNige · 08-11-2009, 21:59

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Originally Posted by Hackjaw

A sham would be people spending all that money on voting, only for their voting money to be disregarded in favour of one man's decision. The popular vote was in JEDWARD's favour, and they were the rightful winners.

Democracy is a beuatiful thing!

So what happened to democracy when in previous series the judges saved the act who were bottom of the public vote??

Mykey38 · 08-11-2009, 22:00

The public voted on the performances from Saturday night and not the two performances in the sing-off so your point is mute really isnt it

red_outlaw · 08-11-2009, 22:00

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Originally Posted by Hackjaw

Why all the anger at Simon? It was a show that the public decides, and they obviously thought Lucie was the worst and inferior to the mighty JEDWARD.

He's not trying to protect "his" acts, there is no such thing, thats just a little gimmick for the show, ultimately he makes money out of them whoever they "belong" to.

The PUBLIC vote was adhered to and democracy meant that Lucie - the least popular contestant this week - got the boot. No ifs, no buts, you can't moan and cry and pretend to be "boycotting" the show just because you are anti-democracy.

I think you'll find the public weren't given a chance to vote on the sing-off. The public vote was based on Saturday night. If this isn't going to be judged then why bother with one at all?

caz789 · 08-11-2009, 22:01

It's not a democracy, it's a rigged election. With an insane megalomaniac in power.

Rooftopcowboy · 08-11-2009, 22:03

got it in one o/p she came bottom and was evicted

that is more fair than the lowest act being kept in by the judges

viksy66 · 08-11-2009, 22:03

This is ridiculous!

There's 4 judges, 2 will always vote to save their own acts - which will leavel it 1-1. The other two judges will quite often not agree, causing it to go to deadlock! It's not necessarily a fix, the judges just have different opinions! Look how different all of our opinions are! Deal with it!

Helbore · 08-11-2009, 22:03

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Originally Posted by neelia

Well quite (although it doesn't need to be 18)

True, it doesn't have to be 18 - but the "18 and over" rule we use in this country's democracy is supposed to be to make sure that votes are cast only be people old enough to make informed decisions (obviously it doesn't always work like that in reality, though!!!)

The thing is - in X Factor land - Lucie could have had one vote each from 1000 people and Jedward received 1001 votes from one person and she would get sent home. That sort of voting system is about as far from democracy as it gets and how anyone can claim that X Factor is "democracy in action" is laughable.

I knew the extra time provide by a 24 hour voting period would result in a horribly skewed vote this year and I feel this is exactly what we are seeing.

Democracy is a beautiful thing - but it has nothing to do with the X Factor phone vote!

Hackjaw · 08-11-2009, 22:04

Lets face it, JEDWARD are a unique act with lots of charisma and all the publicity. Lucie is just another pretty-but-plain girl with an average nasal voice and nothing outstanding about her. If it had gone to the public vote and JEDWARD were gone there wouldnt be this level of outrage - it is hypocrisy of the highest order.

it is the judges right to take it to deadlock, everything Simon did was within the rules and has been done many times before.

People tend to be very inconsistent with their "outrage". Its panto people, who cares who stays or goes, lets face it theyre all pretty crap this year - just enjoy the show, manufactured contraversy and all. Next week the ratings will be through the roof!

shackfan · 08-11-2009, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Helbore

Democracy involves only allowing one vote per individual over the age of 18.

So clearly, this vote has NOTHING to do with democracy - and it never has.

But how do you ensure EVERYONE votes? I am gutted , but I never vote and never will. The voters aree not a true representation of how we would ALL vote, unfortunately.

riff · 08-11-2009, 22:04

The reason Lucie was bottom was because people thought she was safe the same as Danyl's case.

Real democracy would be a vote off between Jedward and Lucie.

Lucie would walk it

puppetangel · 08-11-2009, 22:05

Democracy can fail on an epic scale : George W and JEdward

Snozzcumber · 08-11-2009, 22:05

In the words of the great emperor Marcus Aurelius:

"The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject."

Hackjaw · 08-11-2009, 22:06

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Originally Posted by riff

The reason Lucie was bottom was because people thought she was safe the same as Danyl's case.

Real democracy would be a vote off between Jedward and Lucie.

Lucie would walk it

Make all the assumptions you like, the cold hard facts are that Lucie got less votes than JEDWARD and therefore she got the boot - JUSTICE was served.

WelshNige · 08-11-2009, 22:07

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Originally Posted by viksy66

This is ridiculous!

There's 4 judges, 2 will always vote to save their own acts - which will leavel it 1-1. The other two judges will quite often not agree, causing it to go to deadlock! It's not necessarily a fix, the judges just have different opinions! Look how different all of our opinions are! Deal with it!

If it was a genuine difference of opinion then no one would complain, the FACT is that Cheryl once and Simon twice have sent it to deadlock because they coudn't be arsed to make a decision based on what they'd just heard and went to the cop out of deadlock instead....

neelia · 08-11-2009, 22:07

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Originally Posted by Helbore

True, it doesn't have to be 18 - but the "18 and over" rule we use in this country's democracy is supposed to be to make sure that votes are cast only be people old enough to make informed decisions (obviously it doesn't always work like that in reality, though!!!)

The thing is - in X Factor land - Lucie could have had one vote each from 1000 people and Jedward received 1001 votes from one person and she would get sent home. That sort of voting system is about as far from democracy as it gets and how anyone can claim that X Factor is "democracy in action" is laughable.

I knew the extra time provide by a 24 hour voting period would result in a horribly skewed vote this year and I feel this is exactly what we are seeing.

Democracy is a beautiful thing - but it has nothing to do with the X Factor phone vote!

I know. I have used almost the same example to explain the results of multi voting on her before. But beware some people get very upset about it if you dare imply that winning doesn't mean most popular.

clauski · 08-11-2009, 22:07

The public didn't vote for this. If you could canvass a public vote now 90% would say it's the wrong decision. Maybe the public thought Lloyd should go but couldn't be bothered to waste money on a phone call. Or maybe one of many other scenarios. At the end of the day only certain people actually vote, for certain reasons and it's not all about singing.

twin · 08-11-2009, 22:07

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Originally Posted by Hackjaw

Why all the anger at Simon? It was a show that the public decides, and they obviously thought Lucie was the worst and inferior to the mighty JEDWARD.

He's not trying to protect "his" acts, there is no such thing, thats just a little gimmick for the show, ultimately he makes money out of them whoever they "belong" to.

The PUBLIC vote was adhered to and democracy meant that Lucie - the least popular contestant this week - got the boot. No ifs, no buts, you can't moan and cry and pretend to be "boycotting" the show just because you are anti-democracy.

Because he slagged off Jedward each week, and then when he had the chance to get rid of them, he didn't. He didn't stand by his own words, that is what I don't like, not that Lucy has gone and they are still there. Simon has lost a lot of fans, because he normally speaks a lot of sense.

Flamethrower100 · 08-11-2009, 22:08

not a fare vote as, anyone can vote, children inclueded for whatever reason. As many times as they like.

08-11-2009, 21:53	#1
Hackjaw Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Planet Ahmed Posts: 1,469	The PUBLIC spoke - this was DEMOCRACY in action Why all the anger at Simon? It was a show that the public decides, and they obviously thought Lucie was the worst and inferior to the mighty JEDWARD. He's not trying to protect "his" acts, there is no such thing, thats just a little gimmick for the show, ultimately he makes money out of them whoever they "belong" to. The PUBLIC vote was adhered to and democracy meant that Lucie - the least popular contestant this week - got the boot. No ifs, no buts, you can't moan and cry and pretend to be "boycotting" the show just because you are anti-democracy.

08-11-2009, 21:57	#4
Helbore Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,541	Democracy involves only allowing one vote per individual over the age of 18. So clearly, this vote has NOTHING to do with democracy - and it never has.

08-11-2009, 21:58	#5
Hackjaw Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Planet Ahmed Posts: 1,469	A sham would be people spending all that money on voting, only for their voting money to be disregarded in favour of one man's decision. The popular vote was in JEDWARD's favour, and they were the rightful winners. Democracy is a beuatiful thing!

08-11-2009, 21:58	#7
solitaire1 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: ♥Team Dunno Yet♥ Services: ♣Oh any - as long as it pays well♣ Posts: 5,969	YES!!!! Too right!!!

08-11-2009, 22:00	#9
Mykey38 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 797	The public voted on the performances from Saturday night and not the two performances in the sing-off so your point is mute really isnt it

08-11-2009, 22:01	#11
caz789 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,636	It's not a democracy, it's a rigged election. With an insane megalomaniac in power.

08-11-2009, 22:03	#12
Rooftopcowboy Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2,935	got it in one o/p she came bottom and was evicted that is more fair than the lowest act being kept in by the judges

08-11-2009, 22:03	#13
viksy66 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 115	This is ridiculous! There's 4 judges, 2 will always vote to save their own acts - which will leavel it 1-1. The other two judges will quite often not agree, causing it to go to deadlock! It's not necessarily a fix, the judges just have different opinions! Look how different all of our opinions are! Deal with it!

08-11-2009, 22:04	#15
Hackjaw Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Planet Ahmed Posts: 1,469	Lets face it, JEDWARD are a unique act with lots of charisma and all the publicity. Lucie is just another pretty-but-plain girl with an average nasal voice and nothing outstanding about her. If it had gone to the public vote and JEDWARD were gone there wouldnt be this level of outrage - it is hypocrisy of the highest order. it is the judges right to take it to deadlock, everything Simon did was within the rules and has been done many times before. People tend to be very inconsistent with their "outrage". Its panto people, who cares who stays or goes, lets face it theyre all pretty crap this year - just enjoy the show, manufactured contraversy and all. Next week the ratings will be through the roof!

08-11-2009, 22:04	#17
riff Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,254	The reason Lucie was bottom was because people thought she was safe the same as Danyl's case. Real democracy would be a vote off between Jedward and Lucie. Lucie would walk it

08-11-2009, 22:05	#18
puppetangel Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,000	Democracy can fail on an epic scale : George W and JEdward

08-11-2009, 22:05	#19
Snozzcumber Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Gender: Female Location: Bath Haus of GaGa Posts: 517	In the words of the great emperor Marcus Aurelius: "The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them know anything about the subject."

08-11-2009, 22:07	#23
clauski Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 52	The public didn't vote for this. If you could canvass a public vote now 90% would say it's the wrong decision. Maybe the public thought Lloyd should go but couldn't be bothered to waste money on a phone call. Or maybe one of many other scenarios. At the end of the day only certain people actually vote, for certain reasons and it's not all about singing.

08-11-2009, 22:08	#25
Flamethrower100 Forum Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,529	not a fare vote as, anyone can vote, children inclueded for whatever reason. As many times as they like.