[Truegho]

I am still speechless with disgust at Lucie being booted off the X Factor tonight. I really felt for the poor girl, and I think it was quite disgusting - and very upsetting - the way Simon Cowell did not save her. I just cannot understand him at all. He is supposed to hate the twins, and yet tonight, when he had a golden opportunity to boot them out, he fails to do so and forces it to deadlock. Don't get me wrong, I do love the entertainment factor that the twins have injected into the show, but I just feel that based on the strength of vocals, Lucie should have gone through. She has a wonderful voice, and what is really annoying is that there a still one a two very poor singers still left in the competition who should have gone.

If the show is going to continue along this sorry vein - with good singers being booted off just because the judges refuse to make a final make-or-break decision - then I am afraid I shall be turning off the X Factor for good.

After tonight's sorry spectacle, a lot of people have said that the show is going downhill fast, and I certainly agree with them!

Shame on you, Simon Cowell and Co., for letting such a great singer as Lucie be booted off the show. I still can't get over it.

[BlocFFC]

She wasn't that good. She would never have won and has no uniqueness to have carved out a career.

Simon saved the show tonight by getting rid of her and keeping Jedward in.

[LiveLoveDANCE]

simon said he would vote judging on the final performances! he lied! he just wants to make he most money possible!

[FantasticMrFox]

Originally Posted by LiveLoveDANCE

simon said he would vote judging on the final performances! he lied! he just wants to make he most money possible!

Maybe Simon actually enjoyed John and Edward's performance more. I know I did. Did they sing better then Lucie? Of course not. But I'd rather have them for another week then listen to Luciie who I find bland and boring. I'm not saying I'm right but maybe Simon felt that way too.

[BlocParty]

I never looked forward to Lucie...

There's only so far a good voice can take you if that's all you're bringing to the table.

[Truegho]

I just don't get your comments at all. What the heck do you mean by saying there's only so far you can take a good voice?? I can roll off COUNTLESS instances of artists going FAR with good voices (e.g. Elvis, Shirley Bassey, Beatles etc. etc.).

If it's looks you mean as an essential additional attribute, then Lucie DID have that attribute, as well as the good voice.

Anyway, at the end of the day, to win a singing contest, you need to have a GOOD voice. Period. It is no good voting for good looks if the artist lacks the vocal ability to match the visual appeal. For example, many females may have voted for Lloyd - who should have gone tonight (even Cowell said this himself) - purely on the strength of handsome blonde boyish looks. But it's no good if the vocals aren't up to standard.

As I have said, the show has become a total farce, and is fast losing all credibility for a lot of people.

Simon, beware - you may soon begin to see a sudden dramatic slump in your viewing figures if your show continues to dispose of contestants in this Ten Little Indians-like dramatic - and extremely upsetting and controversial - fashion.

Originally Posted by BlocParty

I never looked forward to Lucie...

There's only so far a good voice can take you if that's all you're bringing to the table.

[BlocParty]

[quote=Truegho;36548216]I just don't get your comments at all. What the heck do you mean by saying there's only so far you can take a good voice?? I can roll off COUNTLESS instances of artists going FAR with good voices (e.g. Elvis, Shirley Bassey, Beatles etc. etc.).

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You lost me when you started comparing the situation to Elvis, Shirley Bassey and The Beatles...

[Truegho]

And YOU'VE lost ME. You don't seem to understand my point.



[quote=BlocParty;36548274]

Originally Posted by Truegho

I just don't get your comments at all. What the heck do you mean by saying there's only so far you can take a good voice?? I can roll off COUNTLESS instances of artists going FAR with good voices (e.g. Elvis, Shirley Bassey, Beatles etc. etc.).

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You lost me when you started comparing the situation to Elvis, Shirley Bassey and The Beatles...

[muppeteer]

I am in minority here as I was happy with Simon's decision.

I liked Lucie, but at the end of the days the twins entertain me more and that's that.

[Indigo_19]

I wonder how many of these people that are devestated Luice went actually voted for her. She came last in the voting end of.

[Kimmoiserie]

[quote=Truegho;36565360]And YOU'VE lost ME. You don't seem to understand my point.






You have a point?

[Heavenly]

Originally Posted by muppeteer

I am in minority here as I was happy with Simon's decision.

I liked Lucie, but at the end of the days the twins entertain me more and that's that.

That is how I feel about it.

[Truegho]

Yes, a BIG point. It is that GOOD, PROPER singers that have lasted for years and still fill concert halls are the ones that have the GENUINE X FACTOR. That is why I cited the analogy with Elvis, Shirley Bassey etc.

I repeat, it is no good having pretty little boyish looks if you do not have a decent singing voice to match. A lot of young girls presumably voted for Leon Jackson just on the strength of his young boyish books and, in doing so, regarded the question of whether he could sing as irrelevant. But do we hear of him selling records by the bucket load now? I certainly haven't.

You can only go so far with a voice, you bleated in a previous posting. Well, I would be interested to know just exactly where you think the ceiling is (e.g. Cowell's "ceiling" comment in regard to Lucie's vocal ability) for a typical good singer with PROPER star talent.



[quote=Kimmoiserie;36565501]

Originally Posted by Truegho

And YOU'VE lost ME. You don't seem to understand my point.






You have a point?

[FantasticMrFox]

Originally Posted by Truegho

Yes, a BIG point. It is that GOOD, PROPER singers that have lasted for years and still fill concert halls are the ones that have the GENUINE X FACTOR. That is why I cited the analogy with Elvis, Shirley Bassey etc.

I repeat, it is no good having pretty little boyish looks if you do not have a decent singing voice to match. A lot of young girls presumably voted for Leon Jackson just on the strength of his young boyish books and, in doing so, regarded the question of whether he could sing as irrelevant. But do we hear of him selling records by the bucket load now? I certainly haven't.

You can only go so far with a voice, you bleated in a previous posting. Well, I would be interested to know just exactly where you think the ceiling is (e.g. Cowell's "ceiling" comment in regard to Lucie's vocal ability) for a typical good singer with PROPER star talent.

It's true though. All those singers you listed have something more then a voice. They have something about them as people that makes them sparkle, makes them stand out. They have that allusive X Factor. Lucie has a good voice but she's like thousand of other girls, not distinctive enough. Simon was right she does have a ceiling. Those big power notes are beyond her. She can maybe hit the right note but she can't hold it for long or with conviction or power. She's someone you might listen to in a cocktail bar, nice enough voice but not someone you'd stop what you were doing to listen to. People didn't warm to her proved by the fact she came bottom of the public vote. If she'd hadn't gone this week she would have gone in the next couple of weeks. It's not like Simon murdered her. Don't see the fuss. If she's so amazing I'm sure she'll be snapped up but in the scheme of things this is nothing.

[Rachmeister]

Maybe she shouldn't be out but she is so deal with it. Either stop watching and wait for her to bring out a CD, or get over it and continue watching.

[Unigal07]

Truegho - there are plenty who feel exactly the way you do. I certainly do. Unfortunately this forum is a hotbed of die-hard Jedward supporters who seem to truly believe that Simon likes them. He doesn't. He'd soon chuck them if they were in the sing off with one of his acts, and he'd claim they can't sing and shouldn't have got as far as they did. Simon likes the money they could make him from a couple of novelty singles, not John and Edward. They've got the fun factor of Same Difference (Simons act I believe?) but without decent singing voices. That equates to not a lot of talent to me. Jedward are mildly amusing but the way people go on about them on here you would think they were the next Beatles. It's just flabbergasting. Two young lads farting around on stage is priceless entertainment? Just goes to show what the world is coming to!

It's only about the voice for Cowell when it's one of his own that has the voice. Otherwise, he just screws the other contestants over. He's been erratic, inconsistent and hypocritical this series to say the least. Perhaps he should leave the country whether Jedward win or not.

[Unigal07]

Originally Posted by Rachmeister

Maybe she shouldn't be out but she is so deal with it. Either stop watching and wait for her to bring out a CD, or get over it and continue watching.

Why come into a thread purely to be rude to the OP? Maybe if it were your favourite who had been "evicted" in a shock situation or a possibly unfair situation, you wouldn't take kindly to being told to "deal with it" or "get over it".

[mitacond]

How was it made possible for her to be in the bottom two??

[Rachmeister]

Originally Posted by Unigal07

Why come into a thread purely to be rude to the OP? Maybe if it were your favourite who had been "evicted" in a shock situation or a possibly unfair situation, you wouldn't take kindly to being told to "deal with it" or "get over it".

I wouldn't act so irrational. The public didn't vote for her, if my favourite was voted off then I didn't vote enough for them. Its that simple. Complaining on here isn't going to change it and as if Simon really cares what we all think.

Its a shame Lucie's gone don't get me wrong Lloyd should be out, but people obviously didn't vote enough for her, she they shouldn't be blaming Simon for it.

[bluerose15]

Ok it is stupid that Lucie went over the twins BUT i cant totally see why simon did it....all he thinks about is money.

He chose lloyd over rachel---because of the money lloyd would bring him on the tour, rachel was not popular
He chose the twins over lucie---because the twins are bringing in massive viewing figures and a massive amount of headlines.

Also yes lucie was talented but someone pointed out that you have to be a great singer to keep the fans coming to see you year after year.

Thats not true one bit.....take madonna for example not the greatest singer in fact not even that good but she has "the x factor" in buckets and she has lasted and stayed current over pretty much everyone in the industry.

Im sorry i did like lucies voice but she lacked "the x factor" (as do all the contestants imo), i agreed with simon she would never have won.

Yes she had a nice voice but what else?
It was not amazing...it was nice nowhere near as good as leona.

Everyone is going on like it was the greatest loss in the world to lose lucy...she was not THAT good.

[Unigal07]

Originally Posted by bluerose15

Everyone is going on like it was the greatest loss in the world to lose lucy...she was not THAT good.

That isn't what people are getting at! Sing off is meant to be judged on vocals (Simon's words and rules not mine) and Lucie was factually the better vocal performance. Songs are played on the radio for god's sake, if you heard Jedwards the vast majority would turn it over. Lucie's you may actually listen to. He let it go to deadlock knowing full well that Lucie may go, despite her never being in the bottom 2, being versatile, being everything he's asked of her... and she still goes. She should have been saved for many reasons.

And Rachmeister - you may not be so "irrational" if your favourite went. But I don't think people are being irrational - just disappointed. You shouldn't be rude because you don't agree with someone or you think they're irrational. As for complaining on here... isn't discussion what this place is for?

[Jeromeboi22]

Originally Posted by bluerose15

Everyone is going on like it was the greatest loss in the world to lose lucy...she was not THAT good.

I'm disgusted at the way simon contradicts himself. fair enough if lucie had the least votes - which i very much doubt - but he is a judge to make a decision on the singing. if anyone says that jedward are better singers than lucie, then they are simply retards. no it is not the greatest loss in the world to lose lucie (who i still think will be the most succesful contestant out of the rest in the future regardless of who wins) but it is just wrong to take the vote to deadlock when the better singer.. SINGER.. was lucie. simon cowell = hypocrite.

[tippytoes300]

Didn't one of the 50 other threads about Lucie suit you? Do we really need yet another post?

[bluerose15]

Originally Posted by Unigal07

That isn't what people are getting at! Sing off is meant to be judged on vocals (Simon's words and rules not mine) and Lucie was factually the better vocal performance. Songs are played on the radio for god's sake, if you heard Jedwards the vast majority would turn it over. Lucie's you may actually listen to. He let it go to deadlock knowing full well that Lucie may go, despite her never being in the bottom 2, being versatile, being everything he's asked of her... and she still goes. She should have been saved for many reasons.

And Rachmeister - you may not be so "irrational" if your favourite went. But I don't think people are being irrational - just disappointed. You shouldn't be rude because you don't agree with someone or you think they're irrational. As for complaining on here... isn't discussion what this place is for?

No i understand, the worse thing was simon said:
"im gonna judge this purely on the sing-off"

Well obviously not cause lucie was way better.

He should not have said that....i think he always planned to save J + E.

[Unigal07]

Originally Posted by bluerose15

No i understand, the worse thing was simon said:
"im gonna judge this purely on the sing-off"

Well obviously not cause lucie was way better.

He should not have said that....i think he always planned to save J + E.

Yes but saying that people are acting like losing Lucie was the end of the world is totally wrong. Plus considering the threads you post when you think Lloyd is in danger, I think you're a bit of a hypocrite.