Is it time that either the judges or the public vote was scrapped? - The X Factor

nessyfencer · 08-11-2009, 23:28

I am fed up of this ridiculous scenario at the end where they take the two with the lowest votes and judge one off (or bring back to the vote anyway).

Surely it should be one or the other? If they want a judged contest, then do a judged contest. If they want a public vote, then do that - but stick with it to the end, not to the second last.

I've never watched diving at the olympics, where one judge says "you know what, I can't make up my mind, what does everyone else think?" Or in Big Brother, they say "Yeah, x has been voted out of the house... but let's keep him and send home the second least favourite of the voting audience."

The judges don't even take the sing off seriously. Tonight, out of the final two performances, there is no way that John and Edward did better than Lucie.

It's silly! Choose one or the other format and stick with it. Anyone agree?

rick182 · 08-11-2009, 23:56

err no it raises the suspence!

MARTYM8 · 08-11-2009, 23:59

One option is to still have a bottom two announced at the start of the results show but then let them have a sing off and allow 30 mins for a public vote just between them.

You could then have the guests and the usual padding before the person saved is announced at the end. The loser could then do a final goodbye song.

That is an option worth looking at.

Blahgirl · 09-11-2009, 00:01

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Originally Posted by MARTYM8

One option is to still have a bottom two announced at the start of the results show but then let them have a sing off and allow 30 mins for a public vote just between them.

You could then have the guests and the usual padding before the person saved is announced at the end. The loser could then do a final goodbye song.

That is an option worth looking at.

Its a great option, but it wouldnt give the judges much importance, and lets face it the show is sbout them!

MARTYM8 · 09-11-2009, 00:02

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Originally Posted by Blahgirl

Its a great option, but it wouldnt give the judges much importance, and lets face it the show is sbout them!

Well you could also have a bottom 3 and the judges vote to save one of them - with the other 2 going to the final decider.

Indigo_19 · 09-11-2009, 00:04

The show as a whole needs to be more about the contestants than the judges if it is ever to be taken seriously. There must be a large amount of viewers that watch the show because of Simon Cowell and Cheryl Cole.

Hyooj · 09-11-2009, 00:06

They need the sing-off to make the results show worthwhile and stretch it to an hour long.

DDRickyDD · 09-11-2009, 00:20

Yeah, why don't we just let you alone decide who to eliminate.

_Zd_Phoenix_ · 09-11-2009, 00:27

The judges save is a limited quality control. The problem is that they might not agree with you about what quality is - ie, just because someone might like Lucie, it doesn't mean Simon has to think she can win or that he should be moved to save her.

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Originally Posted by Indigo_19

The show as a whole needs to be more about the contestants than the judges if it is ever to be taken seriously. There must be a large amount of viewers that watch the show because of Simon Cowell and Cheryl Cole.

You say that, and yet all of the bitter Lucie voters are blaming Simon for daring to leave it down to the public decider tonight (and last week).

ASH_23 · 09-11-2009, 00:33

I like the idea of announcing the results at the beginning of the show then doing the sing off and leaving the lines open for 30 mins then public to then decide who goes based on the last performance - for tonight example Lucie would have gone in this situation, her performance was boring and predictable, as much as i don't like J&E their performance was much more entertaining and had a bit more to it than Lucies - i think Lucie thought she would be safe and didn't give her all in the last performance tonight.

nessyfencer · 09-11-2009, 08:31

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Originally Posted by MARTYM8

One option is to still have a bottom two announced at the start of the results show but then let them have a sing off and allow 30 mins for a public vote just between them.

You could then have the guests and the usual padding before the person saved is announced at the end. The loser could then do a final goodbye song.

That is an option worth looking at.

I like this idea.

To have the judges decide when they have bias towards their own act is another reason why it is wrong.

littlemissbb · 09-11-2009, 08:35

I would prefer just a public vote.

Act with the least votes goes.

At the moment it just seems to be left to Simon to decide what he wants.

kyri · 09-11-2009, 08:40

It does make the show alot more fun!

KatrinaK · 09-11-2009, 08:44

One thing that was proven last night.

The sing of it completly and utterly pointless.

Siannah · 09-11-2009, 08:49

I agree Katrina. Even Dannii says it's pointless 'in so many words', and I agree that maybe if the acts do similar to what J&E do, they may stand a better chance.

The whole thing last night deserved the public outrage. And if they lose viewers (I'll still watch) then Simon has no one to blame but himself. I really do hope the votes slow down for next weeks shows. It'll hit him where it hurts. And, for one of his acts to go too!

electric_badger · 09-11-2009, 08:50

I do agree and completely understand what you're saying- and until there was a 4th judge it was down to judges alone until when it became public vote only. Deadlock was supposed to be used for when the vote split the judges, not for when one judge (who conveniently always seems to be Simon... funy that

) decides that they can't possibly decide and will leave it to us. They're supposed to vote, if it's 2 all then deadlock as the decider.

But the problem remains in what to do if we get rid of public vote in a 2 all situation. Maybe a better system would be a "Stricty" system of combining judges and public vote, or having a system where in the event of a tie previous finishing positions are taken into account or something? But bottom line is, Simon knows this makes good TV, everyone is talking about XF and that it's good for ratings (and therefore his bank balance) and b*gger the fact some people who have talent are missing out.

Then again, as fed up as I was last night that the twins survived, it was the public that voted Lucie bottom, so I don't see why the public are upset she';s gone over the twins...

david63 · 09-11-2009, 08:53

Another option would be to have a "guest" judge each week. That way there would be five judges so you would not need deadlock and the fifth judge would be unbiased.

electric_badger · 09-11-2009, 09:05

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Originally Posted by david63

Another option would be to have a "guest" judge each week. That way there would be five judges so you would not need deadlock and the fifth judge would be unbiased.

That's actually a great idea. possibly the act that guest mentors them that week.

nessyfencer · 09-11-2009, 09:09

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Originally Posted by electric_badger

Then again, as fed up as I was last night that the twins survived, it was the public that voted Lucie bottom, so I don't see why the public are upset she';s gone over the twins...

Because of the way that he went about it. Simon has made it clear how much he hates the twins, and in the past two weeks said that he likes Lucie. He also promised that he would make sure that the decision was based on the sing off and that alone. There is no way that the boys did better than Lucie when you look at those two songs alone.

This is why I have been prompted to say... one way or the other. A judged comp or a phone in voting system. This weird, meshed mixture of the two is just wrong.

I loved Lucie and hated the boys. Had it been a straight vote and she went off, then fine, I would have excepted it. For Simon to save the boys after saying how much he hates them is just ludicrous, and proves that he does not care for talent in the show and sees these two guys as the cash cow that they are.

electric_badger · 09-11-2009, 09:11

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Originally Posted by nessyfencer

Because of the way that he went about it. Simon has made it clear how much he hates the twins, and in the past two weeks said that he likes Lucie. He also promised that he would make sure that the decision was based on the sing off and that alone. There is no way that the boys did better than Lucie when you look at those two songs alone.

This is why I have been prompted to say... one way or the other. A judged comp or a phone in voting system. This weird, meshed mixture of the two is just wrong.

Trust me, I was annoyed as anyone those two little talentless berks stayed in last night! But I don't thenk the blame rests 100% with Simon. Say Lloyd went over the twins, there wouldn't be this outcry, and in all honesty it should have been him in the bottom 2 with J+E last night.

RAINBOWGIRL22 · 09-11-2009, 09:19

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Originally Posted by MARTYM8

One option is to still have a bottom two announced at the start of the results show but then let them have a sing off and allow 30 mins for a public vote just between them.

You could then have the guests and the usual padding before the person saved is announced at the end. The loser could then do a final goodbye song.

That is an option worth looking at.

So the public have to pay to vote twice

I'm actually surprised SC hasn't thought of this - another way to sting all those who vote for some extra cash!!

IMO - I think asking people to vote twice would be a bloody cheek. It should be either the judges vote or the public not both!!

Jennyloo · 09-11-2009, 09:22

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Originally Posted by MARTYM8

Well you could also have a bottom 3 and the judges vote to save one of them - with the other 2 going to the final decider.

Thats what they do on American Strictly.

Jennyloo · 09-11-2009, 09:30

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Originally Posted by nessyfencer

Because of the way that he went about it. Simon has made it clear how much he hates the twins, and in the past two weeks said that he likes Lucie. He also promised that he would make sure that the decision was based on the sing off and that alone. There is no way that the boys did better than Lucie when you look at those two songs alone.

This is why I have been prompted to say... one way or the other. A judged comp or a phone in voting system. This weird, meshed mixture of the two is just wrong.

I loved Lucie and hated the boys. Had it been a straight vote and she went off, then fine, I would have excepted it. For Simon to save the boys after saying how much he hates them is just ludicrous, and proves that he does not care for talent in the show and sees these two guys as the cash cow that they are.

Your last point hit the nail on the head. Its his fickleness that has angered people. If he had liked The Twins from the start then maybe he could have seemed credible. Its his clear dislike for them week after week that smells of profit, profit at any cost that doesnt sit well.
He came across as a sleazebag last night. This could cost him the show, or lose veiwing figures. He is two faced.

MrsSpoon · 09-11-2009, 09:32

The judges picking of the bottom two should be scrapped.
I like that Simon has let the last two shows be decided by the public vote. It's the public who will be buying the records.

mrellis33 · 09-11-2009, 09:32

just dont have the judges vote bit, its pointless with 4 judges, it has to be an odd number of votes or whats the point.

08-11-2009, 23:28	#1
nessyfencer Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Loony fae Aberdeen Services: Sky+, Sky Line Rental and Broadband Posts: 2,554	Is it time that either the judges or the public vote was scrapped? I am fed up of this ridiculous scenario at the end where they take the two with the lowest votes and judge one off (or bring back to the vote anyway). Surely it should be one or the other? If they want a judged contest, then do a judged contest. If they want a public vote, then do that - but stick with it to the end, not to the second last. I've never watched diving at the olympics, where one judge says "you know what, I can't make up my mind, what does everyone else think?" Or in Big Brother, they say "Yeah, x has been voted out of the house... but let's keep him and send home the second least favourite of the voting audience." The judges don't even take the sing off seriously. Tonight, out of the final two performances, there is no way that John and Edward did better than Lucie. It's silly! Choose one or the other format and stick with it. Anyone agree?

08-11-2009, 23:56	#2
rick182 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2,228	err no it raises the suspence!

08-11-2009, 23:59	#3
MARTYM8 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,640	One option is to still have a bottom two announced at the start of the results show but then let them have a sing off and allow 30 mins for a public vote just between them. You could then have the guests and the usual padding before the person saved is announced at the end. The loser could then do a final goodbye song. That is an option worth looking at.

09-11-2009, 00:04	#6
Indigo_19 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 826	The show as a whole needs to be more about the contestants than the judges if it is ever to be taken seriously. There must be a large amount of viewers that watch the show because of Simon Cowell and Cheryl Cole.

09-11-2009, 00:06	#7
Hyooj Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 165	They need the sing-off to make the results show worthwhile and stretch it to an hour long.

09-11-2009, 00:20	#8
DDRickyDD Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Manchester,UK Posts: 232	Yeah, why don't we just let you alone decide who to eliminate.

09-11-2009, 00:33	#10
ASH_23 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,701	I like the idea of announcing the results at the beginning of the show then doing the sing off and leaving the lines open for 30 mins then public to then decide who goes based on the last performance - for tonight example Lucie would have gone in this situation, her performance was boring and predictable, as much as i don't like J&E their performance was much more entertaining and had a bit more to it than Lucies - i think Lucie thought she would be safe and didn't give her all in the last performance tonight.

09-11-2009, 08:35	#12
littlemissbb Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 191	I would prefer just a public vote. Act with the least votes goes. At the moment it just seems to be left to Simon to decide what he wants.

09-11-2009, 08:40	#13
kyri Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Services: Team Walsh ~ John and Edward Posts: 20,229	It does make the show alot more fun!

09-11-2009, 08:44	#14
KatrinaK Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,622	One thing that was proven last night. The sing of it completly and utterly pointless.

09-11-2009, 08:49	#15
Siannah Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: HERE - EVENT_CHILLY Posts: 8,443	I agree Katrina. Even Dannii says it's pointless 'in so many words', and I agree that maybe if the acts do similar to what J&E do, they may stand a better chance. The whole thing last night deserved the public outrage. And if they lose viewers (I'll still watch) then Simon has no one to blame but himself. I really do hope the votes slow down for next weeks shows. It'll hit him where it hurts. And, for one of his acts to go too!

09-11-2009, 08:50	#16
electric_badger Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Portsmouth Services: Virgin Media, when it bothers to work Posts: 252	I do agree and completely understand what you're saying- and until there was a 4th judge it was down to judges alone until when it became public vote only. Deadlock was supposed to be used for when the vote split the judges, not for when one judge (who conveniently always seems to be Simon... funy that ) decides that they can't possibly decide and will leave it to us. They're supposed to vote, if it's 2 all then deadlock as the decider. But the problem remains in what to do if we get rid of public vote in a 2 all situation. Maybe a better system would be a "Stricty" system of combining judges and public vote, or having a system where in the event of a tie previous finishing positions are taken into account or something? But bottom line is, Simon knows this makes good TV, everyone is talking about XF and that it's good for ratings (and therefore his bank balance) and b*gger the fact some people who have talent are missing out. Then again, as fed up as I was last night that the twins survived, it was the public that voted Lucie bottom, so I don't see why the public are upset she';s gone over the twins...

09-11-2009, 08:53	#17
david63 Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lancashire, UK Services: BT Total Broadband 3, BT Vision Posts: 50	Another option would be to have a "guest" judge each week. That way there would be five judges so you would not need deadlock and the fifth judge would be unbiased.

09-11-2009, 09:32	#24
MrsSpoon Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,740	The judges picking of the bottom two should be scrapped. I like that Simon has let the last two shows be decided by the public vote. It's the public who will be buying the records.

09-11-2009, 09:32	#25
mrellis33 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,899	just dont have the judges vote bit, its pointless with 4 judges, it has to be an odd number of votes or whats the point.