"It was the public's fault not mine" - Cowell - The X Factor

sinbad22uk · 09-11-2009, 07:21

Pity he didn't have the same stance when Danyl was in the bottom 2 , that time it was "a joke"

I used to find his comments credible but he has contradicted himself so many times recently , I think he has more faces than Big Ben

Last week I totally agreed with him going to deadlock only because Lloyds voice had gone and Rachel had already been saved twice, it was Lucie's first time in the bottom 2 mainly because she had an awful song choice that the vast majority of saturday night viewers would not even know. On top of this Simon tactically gave Stacey negative comments saying she was in danger which probably led most voters to think Lucie would be safe.

She was obviously a danger to his acts in a sing off as all the other judges had always praised her very highly.

I really hope John & Edward go up against Danyl in a sing off and see his reaction if Danyl gets voted off.

As Lucie was the only real artist that I liked this year I now personally hope the final 3 are J & E, Lloyd and stacey just to p**s Cowell right off, although now I will definitely be supporting Stacey.

Mr Blonde · 09-11-2009, 07:24

If the public voted for Lucie more than they voted for Jedward then Lucie would've stayed...Simon is right on the money...even if he knew the final vote (extremely doubtful) he was still given the opportunity by the public to use it...

sinbad22uk · 09-11-2009, 07:27

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Originally Posted by Mr Blonde

If the public voted for Lucie more than they voted for Jedward then Lucie would've stayed...Simon is right on the money...even if he knew the final vote (extremely doubtful) he was still given the opportunity by the public to use it...

But the vote changes every week depending on song choices as we have seen in the past, the point of the sing off to stop good singers going out, but Simon only exercises that power when it suits him, Dannii could quite easily have pput Danyl out over Miss Frank if she had let her heart rule her head but she was more professional than that.

oilcat · 09-11-2009, 07:33

Simon knows every week what the final vote is..... no matter how shocked he plays he knows who has the lowest votes.

Anyhow it begs the question.....whats the point of the sing off?

broadshoulder · 09-11-2009, 07:35

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Originally Posted by oilcat

Simon knows every week what the final vote is..... no matter how shocked he plays he knows who has the lowest votes.

Anyhow it begs the question.....whats the point of the sing off?

He doesnt know.Otherwise the show would be far more tactical then it is.

And he is right. The public put her there. She just didnt get the votes.

sinbad22uk · 09-11-2009, 07:37

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Originally Posted by broadshoulder

He doesnt know.Otherwise the show would be far more tactical then it is.

And he is right. The public put her there. She just didnt get the votes.

But as said earlier it is the judges responsibilty to save the best singer otherwise we may as well just have a straight public vote every week.

cmrxx · 09-11-2009, 07:38

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Originally Posted by broadshoulder

He doesnt know.Otherwise the show would be far more tactical then it is.

And he is right. The public put her there. She just didnt get the votes.

Agreed.

cmrxx · 09-11-2009, 07:41

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Originally Posted by sinbad22uk

But as said earlier it is the judges responsibilty to save the best singer otherwise we may as well just have a straight public vote every week.

I thought it was an X-Factor competition. Do the Twins have more X-Factor than Lucie. Judging by their support on here, maybe they do.

bowen9999 · 09-11-2009, 07:42

Bulls**t!!!! Hypocrite!

sinbad22uk · 09-11-2009, 07:45

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Originally Posted by cmrxx

I thought it was an X-Factor competition. Do the Twins have more X-Factor than Lucie. Judging by their support on here, maybe they do.

On here maybe but you only need to look at the bookies odds to see where the money is going, that usually accounts for genuine public opinion. People vote on a whim and that changes all that.

There is much more public outrage today than there would have been had John and Edward gone out

broadshoulder · 09-11-2009, 07:54

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Originally Posted by sinbad22uk

But as said earlier it is the judges responsibilty to save the best singer otherwise we may as well just have a straight public vote every week.

Whats wrong with that? It is a singing competion? The public do and should decide.

And they decided Lucie didnt have the X-Factor.

Honolulula · 09-11-2009, 07:59

if you really believe that the guy who owns the whole damn show doesn't know the voting results in advance, then, well, i have no words for you.

simon can't have his cake and eat it. either have the judges vote but vote fairly (y'know, like it was some kind of singing contest or something) or just have it go directly to the public vote, but don't have this ridiculous and meaningless judge's vote and then have simon try and absolve himself of all responsibility when the simple fact is that he had voted differently and voted for the act that would apparently cause him to leave the country if they won to go then nobody would be having this discussion.

sinbad22uk · 09-11-2009, 08:00

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Originally Posted by broadshoulder

Whats wrong with that? It is a singing competion? The public do and should decide.

And they decided Lucie didnt have the X-Factor.

Do you only hear what you want to hear, so by your logic anyone in the bottom two should both go as obviously the public don't get them. It is not a vote for who you want out hence some weeks people may not vote for their favourite as they incorrectly perceive that they will be safe.

Once more it is up to the judges to filter out this inconsistency of voting hence the sing off. Or so we were led to believe. Do you get it now???

paralax · 09-11-2009, 08:05

I think Simon was right, and it should always be the public vote anyway, if you are going to ask people to spend money voting. She got the fewest votes so was not the favourite of enough people.

I think the boys were surprisingly good on their survival song, Lucie was not that great, she is not up to such a big song, but she was not the weakest singer.

In the end it is annoying when your favourite goes, mine (Daniel Pearce) didn't even get in, but you either watch and get over it or turn off, certainly it is not fair to blame the twins any more than Lloyd who is the weakest of the lot.

broadshoulder · 09-11-2009, 08:09

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Originally Posted by sinbad22uk

Do you only hear what you want to hear, so by your logic anyone in the bottom two should both go as obviously the public don't get them. It is not a vote for who you want out hence some weeks people may not vote for their favourite as they incorrectly perceive that they will be safe.

Once more it is up to the judges to filter out this inconsistency of voting hence the sing off. Or so we were led to believe. Do you get it now???

I am going to ignore your continual rudeness.

Simon didnt put them in the bottom to start with - the public did. She just wasnt as popular as her fans thought.

Maybe it was down to their complacency.Maybe all this Simon attacking is down to them feeling guilty about not voting?

sinbad22uk · 09-11-2009, 08:10

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Originally Posted by paralax

I think Simon was right, and it should always be the public vote anyway, if you are going to ask people to spend money voting. She got the fewest votes so was not the favourite of enough people.

I think the boys were surprisingly good on their survival song, Lucie was not that great, she is not up to such a big song, but she was not the weakest singer.

In the end it is annoying when your favourite goes, mine (Daniel Pearce) didn't even get in, but you either watch and get over it or turn off, certainly it is not fair to blame the twins any more than Lloyd who is the weakest of the lot.

I am not blaming the twins and good luck to them, you cannot just say that the public did not like Lucie, it depends on song choice , judges comments etc etc, this week Lucy was given some of the best comments so people probably thought she was safe.

If you voted on who do you think should go instead of who should stay I think you find the bottom 2 totally different and the best contestants would stay in to the end

sinbad22uk · 09-11-2009, 08:14

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Originally Posted by broadshoulder

I am going to ignore your continual rudeness.

Simon didnt put them in the bottom to start with - the public did. She just wasnt as popular as her fans thought.

Maybe it was down to their complacency.Maybe all this Simon attacking is down to them feeling guilty about not voting?

I am not being rude I am trying to make a constructive point by highlighting that it does not always mean the public don't like you because you are in the bottom 2 as was seen with G4 and JLS. And I am saying that that is why the sing off was brought in to smooth out these anomalies. However you just keep coming back with the same comment "She had the lowest votes" which is annoying because we already know that and it is a weak conter argument. Sorry if you find me objecting to your weak argument rude.

broadshoulder · 09-11-2009, 08:16

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Originally Posted by sinbad22uk

I am not being rude I am trying to make a constructive point by highlighting that it does not always mean the public don't like you because you are in the bottom 2 as was seen with G4 and JLS. And I am saying that that is why the sing off was brought in to smooth out these anomalies. However you just keep coming back with the same comment "She had the lowest votes" which is annoying because we already know that and it is a weak conter argument. Sorry if you find me objecting to your weak argument rude.

But she did poll the lowest votes. Maybe Simon just msicalculated - he thought J&E would have the lowest votes and would go. And handing it over to the public would absololve him of responsibilty.

Its not a plot or a plan - it just seems like he judged the situation wrong. And no judge is under any obligation to save anyone - they want to win.

Charlies Angel · 09-11-2009, 08:21

We don't know how close the voting is and the bottom 2 could have been changing continually! The whole point is the Judges can save someone who does not deserve to be in the bottom 2, ie the better singer!. Also as there is no obvoius winner yet, there are lots of people out there who may well love Lucie but also love 2 or 3 others so they tend not to vote until they have a clear favourite (that's me).

I loved Simon but he has suddenly gone down in my book, whether it was tactics or £'s, I am appalled.

gwazi · 09-11-2009, 08:29

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Originally Posted by broadshoulder

Whats wrong with that? It is a singing competion? The public do and should decide.

And they decided Lucie didnt have the X-Factor.

The public don't decide. We are told to vote and the bottom two will be on a singoff and the judges decide. Therefore quite a few people trust that if two acts are in the bottom two the best singer will prevail because the judges save them. Notice the words best singer not who will generate most money for Simon Cowell or who will generate most publicity and ratings for SyCo Productions. Not everyone votes hoping the judges will do their job in the agreement otherwise why have judges at all. If it was totally on public vote without the so called intervention of judges at all I'm sure the "oh I won't bother voting as my artist will be safe" syndrome wouldn't exist

Gneiss · 09-11-2009, 08:35

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Originally Posted by broadshoulder

Whats wrong with that? It is a singing competion? The public do and should decide..

Then what do you think the purpose of the sing-off is?

Unless it's simply there to pad out an already pointless Sunday show.

barfart · 09-11-2009, 08:38

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Originally Posted by Honolulula

simon can't have his cake and eat it.

Actually he can and does. All the judges twist and turn like twisty turny things when it suits them, but the only winner is Simon Cowell who simply sits back and watches the fat cheques roll in. Its his show, his record label and his call.

KatrinaK · 09-11-2009, 08:40

Simon is full of crap.

If that's his opinon, why have the sing of, honestly?

I could understand his argument if it was down to the public vote every week but the sing of is a method to avoid a superior singer from leaving, not who is the most 'unpopular'.

Can you imagine if Dannii sent home Danyl a couple of weeks ago? Do you think he'll give a too hoots about the public? He'll be in right huff about it.

Also it's pretty clear, he knows who has polled the least amount of votes before Dermot announces them. Let's not be naive here. He wanted Lucie out, which is why he let the public speak. He would have used the same approach with anyone ending up in the bottom with Jedward this week, so long as the act wasn't one of his own.

Gneiss · 09-11-2009, 08:40

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Originally Posted by Charlies Angel

We don't know how close the voting is and the bottom 2 could have been changing continually! The whole point is the Judges can save someone who does not deserve to be in the bottom 2, ie the better singer!. Also as there is no obvoius winner yet, there are lots of people out there who may well love Lucie but also love 2 or 3 others so they tend not to vote until they have a clear favourite (that's me)..

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Originally Posted by gwazi

The public don't decide. We are told to vote and the bottom two will be on a singoff and the judges decide. Therefore quite a few people trust that if two acts are in the bottom two the best singer will prevail because the judges save them. Notice the words best singer not who will generate most money for Simon Cowell or who will generate most publicity and ratings for SyCo Productions. Not everyone votes hoping the judges will do their job in the agreement otherwise why have judges at all. If it was totally on public vote without the so called intervention of judges at all I'm sure the "oh I won't bother voting as my artist will be safe" syndrome wouldn't exist

Two of the most sensible posts I've read in the aftermath of last nights farce....

Lizzy11268 · 09-11-2009, 08:42

Well, he is right of course, doesnt make him any less of a hypocrite.

See, I have no problem with him sending it to deadlock, why not? In the end, he was right that it was unlikely that either of those two were going to eventually win, and I think that is probably true of Danyl also, much as I like him.

My problem with Simon, is he keeps spouting "we will judge on the sing-off blah blah blah" and then does the exact opposite. Lets face it, two weeks in a row now, the blatantly worse singers of the two acts have stayed. Whilst I don't have a problem with that, because at the end of the day the act with the lowest votes went home,he should be more honest at the start.

What he should say is "No idea what I'm going to do, will depend on what I choose to care about after the sing off and what I feel like doing at the time" At least that would be honest!

At the end of the day though, the public did not, for whatever reason, vote enough for Lucie. And it was THAT which sent her home, not Simon.

09-11-2009, 07:21	#1
sinbad22uk Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 249	"It was the public's fault not mine" - Cowell Pity he didn't have the same stance when Danyl was in the bottom 2 , that time it was "a joke" I used to find his comments credible but he has contradicted himself so many times recently , I think he has more faces than Big Ben Last week I totally agreed with him going to deadlock only because Lloyds voice had gone and Rachel had already been saved twice, it was Lucie's first time in the bottom 2 mainly because she had an awful song choice that the vast majority of saturday night viewers would not even know. On top of this Simon tactically gave Stacey negative comments saying she was in danger which probably led most voters to think Lucie would be safe. She was obviously a danger to his acts in a sing off as all the other judges had always praised her very highly. I really hope John & Edward go up against Danyl in a sing off and see his reaction if Danyl gets voted off. As Lucie was the only real artist that I liked this year I now personally hope the final 3 are J & E, Lloyd and stacey just to p**s Cowell right off, although now I will definitely be supporting Stacey.

09-11-2009, 07:24	#2
Mr Blonde Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London Posts: 9,220	If the public voted for Lucie more than they voted for Jedward then Lucie would've stayed...Simon is right on the money...even if he knew the final vote (extremely doubtful) he was still given the opportunity by the public to use it...

09-11-2009, 07:33	#4
oilcat Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Aberdeen / Claw Division Services: Sky Digital, BT Internet Posts: 13,299 Blog Entries: 33	Simon knows every week what the final vote is..... no matter how shocked he plays he knows who has the lowest votes. Anyhow it begs the question.....whats the point of the sing off?

09-11-2009, 07:42	#9
bowen9999 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 203	Bulls**t!!!! Hypocrite!

09-11-2009, 07:59	#12
Honolulula Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 463	if you really believe that the guy who owns the whole damn show doesn't know the voting results in advance, then, well, i have no words for you. simon can't have his cake and eat it. either have the judges vote but vote fairly (y'know, like it was some kind of singing contest or something) or just have it go directly to the public vote, but don't have this ridiculous and meaningless judge's vote and then have simon try and absolve himself of all responsibility when the simple fact is that he had voted differently and voted for the act that would apparently cause him to leave the country if they won to go then nobody would be having this discussion.

09-11-2009, 08:05	#14
paralax Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,511	I think Simon was right, and it should always be the public vote anyway, if you are going to ask people to spend money voting. She got the fewest votes so was not the favourite of enough people. I think the boys were surprisingly good on their survival song, Lucie was not that great, she is not up to such a big song, but she was not the weakest singer. In the end it is annoying when your favourite goes, mine (Daniel Pearce) didn't even get in, but you either watch and get over it or turn off, certainly it is not fair to blame the twins any more than Lloyd who is the weakest of the lot.

09-11-2009, 08:21	#19
Charlies Angel Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 72	We don't know how close the voting is and the bottom 2 could have been changing continually! The whole point is the Judges can save someone who does not deserve to be in the bottom 2, ie the better singer!. Also as there is no obvoius winner yet, there are lots of people out there who may well love Lucie but also love 2 or 3 others so they tend not to vote until they have a clear favourite (that's me). I loved Simon but he has suddenly gone down in my book, whether it was tactics or £'s, I am appalled.

09-11-2009, 08:40	#23
KatrinaK Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,622	Simon is full of crap. If that's his opinon, why have the sing of, honestly? I could understand his argument if it was down to the public vote every week but the sing of is a method to avoid a superior singer from leaving, not who is the most 'unpopular'. Can you imagine if Dannii sent home Danyl a couple of weeks ago? Do you think he'll give a too hoots about the public? He'll be in right huff about it. Also it's pretty clear, he knows who has polled the least amount of votes before Dermot announces them. Let's not be naive here. He wanted Lucie out, which is why he let the public speak. He would have used the same approach with anyone ending up in the bottom with Jedward this week, so long as the act wasn't one of his own.

09-11-2009, 08:42	#25
Lizzy11268 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,926	Well, he is right of course, doesnt make him any less of a hypocrite. See, I have no problem with him sending it to deadlock, why not? In the end, he was right that it was unlikely that either of those two were going to eventually win, and I think that is probably true of Danyl also, much as I like him. My problem with Simon, is he keeps spouting "we will judge on the sing-off blah blah blah" and then does the exact opposite. Lets face it, two weeks in a row now, the blatantly worse singers of the two acts have stayed. Whilst I don't have a problem with that, because at the end of the day the act with the lowest votes went home,he should be more honest at the start. What he should say is "No idea what I'm going to do, will depend on what I choose to care about after the sing off and what I feel like doing at the time" At least that would be honest! At the end of the day though, the public did not, for whatever reason, vote enough for Lucie. And it was THAT which sent her home, not Simon.