[Flamethrower100]

I think I might. But I'd miss him all the same. He's not my favourite judge. Dannii is, becuase she's nicest. But there's just something about Simon, that makes the xfactor. For me anyway.

[max_db]

Simon Cowell is the X-Factor, without him the show wouldn't even be able to go ahead.

[kyri]

Probably but I'd really miss him.

The X Factor wouldn't be The X Factor without Simon Cowell or Louis Walsh.

[bluerose15]

NO WAY! there is no point to it without him.

Most of the time simon is the only judge who speaks the truth.

[twinkletoez]

Yeah. It'd be different and wouldn't feel right at first, but I love the X Factor!

[neelia]

yes definitely.

[ribtickle]

Yes, I'd watch. In fact, the way things are going, it might be the only way to recover the show and replace some of the magic it once had. It's become a parody of itself. With him gone the other judges might feel more able to speak their minds too.

The only reason I've ever watched it is for the singing, for the contestants, and sharing the nerves and the success or failure of their big moment each weekend. It's never been the judges outfits or their squabbles which drew me in, that was always a sideshow.

[solitaire1]

Nooooo it'd be like the time Louis Walsh was erm.. temporarily 'pushed'.

[misslibertine]

if, when louis was fired and rehired on a previous series, the x factor wasn't the same without louis, it would be much worse without simon.

though even if he wasn't judging, he'd still get an awful lot of money from it.

[caz789]

Would be better to have a new show with more integrity and lower production costs. If Simon stops judging he will still be pulling a lot of the strings. Worst of both worlds.

[neelia]

The judges aren't what has me watching. It's the artists.

[Kapellmeister]

As much as I disagreed with the decision last night, the X Factor is Simon Cowell, unfortunately. Without him it would just be another bog-standard 'talent/entertainment' show.

[Flamethrower100]

Originally Posted by caz789

Would be better to have a new show with more integrity and lower production costs. If Simon stops judging he will still be pulling a lot of the strings. Worst of both worlds.

I don't think it would be watched as much. probably be axed within the first year.

[trinity2002]

Originally Posted by ribtickle

Yes, I'd watch. In fact, the way things are going, it might be the only way to recover the show and replace some of the magic it once had. It's become a parody of itself. With him gone the other judges might feel more able to speak their minds too.

The only reason I've ever watched it is for the singing, for the contestants, and sharing the nerves and the success or failure of their big moment each weekend. It's never been the judges outfits or their squabbles which drew me in, that was always a sideshow.

What magic is that?

Do you think that genuine talent didn't go out before 'less talented' acts in previous series?

And what do you mean ' the only way to recover the show and replace some of the magic it once had'? It is recording it's biggest EVER viewing figures this year!

The other judges do speak their own minds btw - can't you remember Sharon's outburst in the final of the first series?

The problem with the other judges is most of the time they say what they think the audience wants to hear. But I think it's fairly obvious apart from who they are mentoring, who the judges like and don't particularly like this year!

[misslibertine]

Originally Posted by trinity2002

What magic is that?

Do you think that genuine talent didn't go out before 'less talented' acts in previous series?

And what do you mean ' the only way to recover the show and replace some of the magic it once had'? It is recording it's biggest EVER viewing figures this year!

The other judges do speak their own minds btw - can't you remember Sharon's outburst in the final of the first series?

The problem with the other judges is most of the time they say what they think the audience wants to hear. But I think it's fairly obvious apart from who they are mentoring, who the judges like and don't particularly like this year!

couldn't agree more.

[ribtickle]

Originally Posted by trinity2002

What magic is that?

Do you think that genuine talent didn't go out before 'less talented' acts in previous series?

And what do you mean ' the only way to recover the show and replace some of the magic it once had'? It is recording it's biggest EVER viewing figures this year!

The other judges do speak their own minds btw - can't you remember Sharon's outburst in the final of the first series?

The problem with the other judges is most of the time they say what they think the audience wants to hear. But I think it's fairly obvious apart from who they are mentoring, who the judges like and don't particularly like this year!

The magic was the big event the show became, and the anticipation it generated, like a British Superbowl. It's now become a farce as the players on the field run around dressed as Big Bird and the ref has thrown away the rules of the game.

If you put live sex on primetime TV it would doubtless receive record ratings. It's no measure of a programme's magic or its improvements in quality across the years to simply say it's got record ratings, not when this is happening during a recession and people increasingly stay in of the weekend and choose to watch the telly, or where the show courts controversy as never before so people tune in to find out what all the fuss it about. That's the same magic and quality which sees The Sun sell more newspapers than any other.

All of the previous finalists, both here and in America could sing to varying degrees of competence. They could hold a song together, even Chico, and even the least able could occasionally turn in something vocally which Cowell had to concede was okay, even bordering on good. The twins cannot sing, and there has been no direct precedent to their inclusion - they have trashed the format.

Sharon isn't there anymore. Those that are all demur to Cowell, and Dannii in particular has long been a passive mouse, though she is beginning to show real signs of rebellion (I think she will quit after this season and has decided to go out fighting).

If the other judges say what the audience wants to hear then get rid of the lot of them, not just Cowell. They take up too much airtime as it is and I'd sooner listen to the singers perform than the second-rate soap opera they provide, the one with the same lines every week.

[nathan87]

For those people who say "the X factor IS simon cowell", give it a few shows, you'd soon get used to a new judge.

[ellenpagerocks]

Yes Andrew Lloyd Webber for the replacement

[trinity2002]

Originally Posted by ribtickle

The magic was the big event the show became, and the anticipation it generated, like a British Superbowl. It's now become a farce as the players on the field run around dressed as Big Bird and the ref has thrown away the rules of the game.

If you put live sex on primetime TV it would doubtless receive record ratings. It's no measure of a programme's magic or its improvements in quality across the years to simply say it's got record ratings, not when this is happening during a recession and people increasingly stay in of the weekend and choose to watch the telly, or where the show courts controversy as never before so people tune in to find out what all the fuss it about. That's the same magic and quality which sees The Sun sell more newspapers than any other.

All of the previous finalists, both here and in America could sing to varying degrees of competence. They could hold a song together, even Chico, and even the least able could occasionally turn in something vocally which Cowell had to concede was okay, even bordering on good. The twins cannot sing, and there has been no direct precedent to their inclusion - they have trashed the format.

Sharon isn't there anymore. Those that are all demur to Cowell, and Dannii in particular has long been a passive mouse, though she is beginning to show real signs of rebellion (I think she will quit after this season and has decided to go out fighting).

If the other judges say what the audience wants to hear then get rid of the lot of them, not just Cowell. They take up too much airtime as it is and I'd sooner listen to the singers perform than the second-rate soap opera they provide, the one with the same lines every week.

So the twins have ruined X Factor? The viewing figures say otherwise

I loved Chico, but the reality is that he had to be saved THREE times by the judges to stay in that years competition. The twins have only been saved ONCE at this particular point.

Maybe if you post the same after the twins have been saved 3 times, then I might concede your point......but until then I don't agree in the slightest. I don't agree that any magic has been lost and I don't think the competition has lost anybody worth fighting for.

[ellenpagerocks]

Originally Posted by trinity2002

So the twins have ruined X Factor? The viewing figures say otherwise

I loved Chico, but the reality is that he had to be saved THREE times by the judges to stay in that years competition. The twins have only been saved ONCE at this particular point.

Maybe if you post the same after the twins have been saved 3 times, then I might concede your point......but until then I don't agree in the slightest. I don't agree that any magic has been lost and I don't think the competition has lost anybody worth fighting for.

The twins have ruined it as a singing contest do you really think a serious singer will bother to go on the show next year, noooooo, next year expect 12 acts like the twins

[misslibertine]

Originally Posted by ellenpagerocks

The twins have ruined it as a singing contest do you really think a serious singer will bother to go on the show next year, noooooo, next year expect 12 acts like the twins

i expect a few might still turn up

[trinity2002]

Originally Posted by ellenpagerocks

The twins have ruined it as a singing contest do you really think a serious singer will bother to go on the show next year, noooooo, next year expect 12 acts like the twins

Yes, I really do think 'serious' singers will audition next year, if it is the only way they can think of to get recognition.

Just like every year.

I seem to be living in this dream world where for the previous 5 series I have been watching a varying degree of talented/or not so talented acts vying for the crown of X Factor Winner. Nope.....it seems only the world class, note perfect, absolutely brilliant acts have been taking part.

[Deerd]

Originally Posted by ellenpagerocks

The twins have ruined it as a singing contest do you really think a serious singer will bother to go on the show next year, noooooo, next year expect 12 acts like the twins

I think serious singers have always been a rare commodity on the show anyway... it's for those who see a quick-fix way to easy fame and a quick buck... few have aspirations that inherently involve music - rather music is a vehicle they can exploit... there are exceptions that somewhat prove the rule and, by and large, they gain the public support through some innate sense by the viewers - it all comes good in the end.

To me the above is the tragedy (although I use that word rather advisedly) of last night - in that Lucie was one for whom a career was possible without the quick-fix solution she opted for. She was, had she not chosen the easy route, on her way to a prestigious performing arts school to learn her craft... from there she could well have become something... now, sadly, even if her place was deferred and she goes that route... she will now be an X Factor also-ran. That is sad.

[pinkfish]

I have been to a few auditions... as a chaperone not a contender... I got caught up in it.. so my answer is definitely yes.. to be the show .. SHOULD be about the journey of the nobody to the "somebody" rather Peter Kay cliché but that is how it should be... if you watch the room at the auditions, some looked terrified, some are dressed ridiculous to "stand out" others practice out loud... but when/if you see them evolve on the TV.. that is what the show "should be" about and NOT about Simon's ego

[pinkfish]

Originally Posted by Deerd

I think serious singers have always been a rare commodity on the show anyway... it's for those who see a quick-fix way to easy fame and a quick buck... few have aspirations that inherently involve music - rather music is a vehicle they can exploit... there are exceptions that somewhat prove the rule and, by and large, they gain the public support through some innate sense by the viewers - it all comes good in the end.

To me the above is the tragedy (although I use that word rather advisedly) of last night - in that Lucie was one for whom a career was possible without the quick-fix solution she opted for. She was, had she not chosen the easy route, on her way to a prestigious performing arts school to learn her craft... from there she could well have become something... now, sadly, even if her place was deferred and she goes that route... she will now be an X Factor also-ran. That is sad.

Lucie would/could make an excellent Eponnine in Les Mis... not that I would want to make Cassie unemployed but Lucie also has a future in music!!