If Lucie Was So Great - Why Didn't You Vote For Her? - The X Factor

Hogzilla · 10-11-2009, 09:23

Truth is - she wasn't great. She was boring, and had an average voice with a tiny range.

But why all the kerfuffle? If everyone whinging about it had voted for her (and if she's that fantastic, they should have...) she'd be in the top 2 not the bottom.

Truth was - she was drab, and no amount of make-overs found her personality as she didn't have one.

Out of all the people whining, how many thought *Ooh I have to watch X Factor this week for Lucie?* Not many. On the other hand, even Jedward anti-fans want to see what they're going to do next.

Reality check - Lucie wasn't worth this level of fuss. Rachel went by precisely the same mechanism only 7 days earlier. She was a way better singer and had bags of personality. No tears and tantrums then.

No-one voted for Lucie. So it doesn't matter she's gone.

The Squire · 10-11-2009, 09:24

Same reason I didn't vote for anyone, I pay one poll tax to watch tv, my BBC licence, I dont believe making Simon Cowell richer will enhance my viewing experience.....

neelia · 10-11-2009, 09:25

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Originally Posted by Hogzilla

Truth is - she wasn't great. She was boring, and had an average voice with a tiny range.

But why all the kerfuffle? If everyone whinging about it had voted for her (and if she's that fantastic, they should have...) she'd be in the top 2 not the bottom.

Truth was - she was drab, and no amount of make-overs found her personality as she didn't have one.

Out of all the people whining, how many thought *Ooh I have to watch X Factor this week for Lucie?* Not many. On the other hand, even Jedward anti-fans want to see what they're going to do next.

Reality check - Lucie wasn't worth this level of fuss. Rachel went by precisely the same mechanism only 7 days earlier. She was a way better singer and had bags of personality. No tears and tantrums then.

No-one voted for Lucie. So it doesn't matter she's gone.

No one voted for Lucie? really?
For some of us it doesn't matter that it was Lucie that went it was how Lucie went. It isn't for me that Lucie was so great, but that what happened was so crap.

Also there could be loads of people who think she was great but had other people that thye prefer to vote for.

Hogzilla · 10-11-2009, 09:25

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Originally Posted by neelia

No one voted for Lucie? really?
For some of us it doesn't matter that it was Lucie that went it was how Lucie went. It isn't for me that Lucie was so great, but that what happened was so crap.

But that's my point - that it DOES matter that she was crap.

Kriskiki · 10-11-2009, 09:26

I did vote

The Squire · 10-11-2009, 09:28

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Originally Posted by Hogzilla

But that's my point - that it DOES matter that she was crap.

Really, what if she was the SECOND FAVOURITE of everyone who voted for someone else?

mamamia · 10-11-2009, 09:31

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Originally Posted by The Squire

Same reason I didn't vote for anyone, I pay one poll tax to watch tv, my BBC licence, I dont believe making Simon Cowell richer will enhance my viewing experience.....

Well if it wasn't for Simon Cowell The X factor would not be one of your viewing experiences!!

cfc86 · 10-11-2009, 09:32

1. I was looking forward to her performance more so than anyone else's every week.
2. She is not bland or boring and while I prefer her old look the makeover isn't too bad. Not that she needed one as she was already stunning.
3. I DID vote. Every single week I voted for her and was always excited finding out what song she was doing and how it would turn out.
I'm not some teen either as I'm 23 and have loved Lucie since her audition. Don't assume not all of her fans voted cause some of us actually did.

jedward4pontins · 10-11-2009, 09:34

maybe because people felt with lloyd and j&E in the competition...the safety net of the judges vote would ensure her safety?

Simon is trying to eliminate the lack of votes caused by this complacency by completely bypassing this safety net making it a completely pointless excercise.

In short as someone else has perceptively pointed out, the viewers are being bullied into voting.

Charlottesweb · 10-11-2009, 09:36

Surely the same question could be asked of the twins?

They had continuous media coverage far beyond any other act, we are constantly told they are the only reason people watch the show, but polled less votes than a tone deaf adolescent who has the movement and grace of a thunderbirds puppet, a faux rocker who not only coudnt decide what key to sing in, he couldnt decide which tune he was singing the words to, and someone who we are told only last week is more hated than hitler - apparently.

The issue with the Lucie thing is Simon shattered the whole 'talent contest' image that the show totally and utterly relies on to give it the ounce of credibility needed to get people voting in huge numbers.
He himself has said so often the twins cannot sing , and the day before proclaimed Lucie as a 'relevant pop star' , he damaged the brand.

Not because Lucie was the be all end all, but because he made the fact the show is entirely based around commercial gain for his company so obvious people can no longer pretend its anything else.

It will, short term, make him money, long term the brand is wounded , I suspect a completely different show will be needed next year to get away from it.

Misjudgement on his teams part this time. It was coming with the Rachel thing, this one was the killer.

I think what I got from the show was the 'popularity' of the twins is an illusion. Like BB stars before them, Nikki et al, the media pick them to hype up and tell us how great and popular they are, but outside tabloid world, no one really cares.

frost · 10-11-2009, 09:39

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Originally Posted by The Squire

Really, what if she was the SECOND FAVOURITE of everyone who voted for someone else?

Did those people vote for her as well as their favourite? Quite clearly thay did not (the vast majority anyway), so they cant bitch when she goes out due to lack of votes because they didnt vote for her in the first place.

KatrinaK · 10-11-2009, 09:39

Who voted for the twins here? They were second to bottom after all so they couldn't have polled a grand number of votes too.

The whole sing of method is used for contestants who poll low numbers. That's the whole incentive behind it. It's not used to let the public decide (unless they're genuinly torn, which let's face it going by Simons comments over the twins wasn't) but it's used for the judges to decide, not us.

amy1234 · 10-11-2009, 09:46

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Originally Posted by Charlottesweb

Surely the same question could be asked of the twins?

They had continuous media coverage far beyond any other act, we are constantly told they are the only reason people watch the show, but polled less votes than a tone deaf adolescent who has the movement and grace of a thunderbirds puppet, a faux rocker who not only coudnt decide what key to sing in, he couldnt decide which tune he was singing the words to, and someone who we are told only last week is more hated than hitler - apparently.

The issue with the Lucie thing is Simon shattered the whole 'talent contest' image that the show totally and utterly relies on to give it the ounce of credibility needed to get people voting in huge numbers.
He himself has said so often the twins cannot sing , and the day before proclaimed Lucie as a 'relevant pop star' , he damaged the brand.

Not because Lucie was the be all end all, but because he made the fact the show is entirely based around commercial gain for his company so obvious people can no longer pretend its anything else.

It will, short term, make him money, long term the brand is wounded , I suspect a completely different show will be needed next year to get away from it.

Misjudgement on his teams part this time. It was coming with the Rachel thing, this one was the killer.

I think what I got from the show was the 'popularity' of the twins is an illusion. Like BB stars before them, Nikki et al, the media pick them to hype up and tell us how great and popular they are, but outside tabloid world, no one really cares.

We don't know how popular they are, or any of the other contestants, it probably fluctuates quite a lot from week to week or some weeks people don't vote thinking their favourites are safe. This time last year Alexandra was near the bottom, weren't JLS also in the singoff once?

americandreamer · 10-11-2009, 09:50

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Originally Posted by jedward4pontins

maybe because people felt with lloyd and j&E in the competition...the safety net of the judges vote would ensure her safety?

Simon is trying to eliminate the lack of votes caused by this complacency by completely bypassing this safety net making it a completely pointless excercise.

In short as someone else has perceptively pointed out, the viewers are being bullied into voting.

I completely agree. I felt for sure the twins or Lloyd would be out if either if them were in the bottom two. I am guilty of being complacent with my voting, putting faith in the GBP and the safety net of the judges and not voting until the final few weeks.

I broke the mould this year by voting for Danyl after he was unfairly in the bottom 2, if Lucie had the chance I would have done the same for her, but alas the judges safety net didn't hold

That said, similar decisions have been made more or less every year, it's part of the X Factor - I still love it!

galena · 10-11-2009, 09:53

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Originally Posted by Hogzilla

But that's my point - that it DOES matter that she was crap.

Very true - I finally got round to watching her performance last night and don't know what the fuss was about - it was a totally forgettable song and I've seen far better performances on other shows many many times. I don't think there is a rule that the person who can 'sing better' should always be the one to go through, if no-one really cares enough to vote. Plenty of people can sing as well as Lucie and I don't think she is a particularly charismatic or memorable performer. The public are not a team of highly objective experts dedicated to keeping in the person who has more vocal talent - reality is the viewers pay for the privilege of voting!

neelia · 10-11-2009, 09:53

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Originally Posted by frost

Did those people vote for her as well as their favourite? Quite clearly thay did not (the vast majority anyway), so they cant bitch when she goes out due to lack of votes because they didnt vote for her in the first place.

Why can't they?

spannerandpony · 10-11-2009, 10:03

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Originally Posted by neelia

Why can't they?

Exactly! It's not a vote to eliminate so unless you either (a) have pots of money and can afford to vote for everyone you like, or (b) are quite happy to give Simon Cowell even more money, many people only vote for their top favourite.

Lucie was my third favourite after Danyl and Jamie but while they are still in the competition I wasn't going to vote for her.

People are entitled to "bitch" because the X Factor is *supposed* to be a singing competition; and whether or not Lucie was my favourite, she was still unarguably a better singer than John and Edward. There's no disputing that fact and that's why people are up in arms.

jon_ellacott · 10-11-2009, 10:05

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Originally Posted by neelia

No one voted for Lucie? really?
For some of us it doesn't matter that it was Lucie that went it was how Lucie went. It isn't for me that Lucie was so great, but that what happened was so crap.

Also there could be loads of people who think she was great but had other people that thye prefer to vote for.

Agreed. I though Lucie was great Saturday but she wasn't my favourite performer that night as I still felt she was lacking something. I am not mad she went, I just mad Jedward nearly went and Simon blew the chance to get rid of them!

kenda11 · 10-11-2009, 10:09

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Originally Posted by Hogzilla

Truth is - she wasn't great. She was boring, and had an average voice with a tiny range.

But why all the kerfuffle? If everyone whinging about it had voted for her (and if she's that fantastic, they should have...) she'd be in the top 2 not the bottom.

Truth was - she was drab, and no amount of make-overs found her personality as she didn't have one.

Out of all the people whining, how many thought *Ooh I have to watch X Factor this week for Lucie?* Not many. On the other hand, even Jedward anti-fans want to see what they're going to do next.

Reality check - Lucie wasn't worth this level of fuss. Rachel went by precisely the same mechanism only 7 days earlier. She was a way better singer and had bags of personality. No tears and tantrums then.

No-one voted for Lucie. So it doesn't matter she's gone.

mate thats your opinion....she....when compared to jedward was world class! I dont actually watch the show for jedward....i watch in the hope there might actually be a stunning performance from somebody....its a singing competition...and as someone said its how she went that annoyed people

just because you think that way doesnt make it fact....surely you know that by now

Takeachancex · 10-11-2009, 10:12

FYI OP, I voted for Lucie several times

littlemissbb · 10-11-2009, 10:13

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Originally Posted by Hogzilla

Truth is - she wasn't great. She was boring, and had an average voice with a tiny range.

But why all the kerfuffle? If everyone whinging about it had voted for her (and if she's that fantastic, they should have...) she'd be in the top 2 not the bottom.

Truth was - she was drab, and no amount of make-overs found her personality as she didn't have one.

Out of all the people whining, how many thought *Ooh I have to watch X Factor this week for Lucie?* Not many. On the other hand, even Jedward anti-fans want to see what they're going to do next.

Reality check - Lucie wasn't worth this level of fuss. Rachel went by precisely the same mechanism only 7 days earlier. She was a way better singer and had bags of personality. No tears and tantrums then.

No-one voted for Lucie. So it doesn't matter she's gone.

I totally agree, OP.

I've lost number of the amount of people who are up in arms over Lucie going, but did they vote for her? NO! So stop flippin' moaning then!

Oh and I'm so looking forward to seeing J&E next week because I voted for them! Yay me.

KatrinaK · 10-11-2009, 10:16

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Originally Posted by littlemissbb

I totally agree, OP.

I've lost number of the amount of people who are up in arms over Lucie going, but did they vote for her? NO! So stop flippin' moaning then!

Erm, how do you know they didn't? I'm a Lucie fans and I voted.

The public can only do so much with the voting. The sing of situation was created purely to avoid a superior contestant from going, not the other way around. Votes or no votes, that is the incentive behind the whole thing.

cfc86 · 10-11-2009, 10:30

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Originally Posted by littlemissbb

I totally agree, OP.

I've lost number of the amount of people who are up in arms over Lucie going, but did they vote for her? NO! So stop flippin' moaning then!

Oh and I'm so looking forward to seeing J&E next week because I voted for them! Yay me.

Lucie fan right here and I've voted every week for her so I'll complain if I bloody well want to.

chipstick10 · 10-11-2009, 10:32

Omg she was dull, she sang without any passion or soul. She was never going to win, simon was right.

jelly bean · 10-11-2009, 10:33

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Originally Posted by cfc86

Lucie fan right here and I've voted every week for her so I'll complain if I bloody well want to.

Why can't you just accept the rules of the competition?

10-11-2009, 09:23	#1
Hogzilla Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,874	If Lucie Was So Great - Why Didn't You Vote For Her? Truth is - she wasn't great. She was boring, and had an average voice with a tiny range. But why all the kerfuffle? If everyone whinging about it had voted for her (and if she's that fantastic, they should have...) she'd be in the top 2 not the bottom. Truth was - she was drab, and no amount of make-overs found her personality as she didn't have one. Out of all the people whining, how many thought Ooh I have to watch X Factor this week for Lucie? Not many. On the other hand, even Jedward anti-fans want to see what they're going to do next. Reality check - Lucie wasn't worth this level of fuss. Rachel went by precisely the same mechanism only 7 days earlier. She was a way better singer and had bags of personality. No tears and tantrums then. No-one voted for Lucie. So it doesn't matter she's gone.

10-11-2009, 09:24	#2
The Squire Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 730	Same reason I didn't vote for anyone, I pay one poll tax to watch tv, my BBC licence, I dont believe making Simon Cowell richer will enhance my viewing experience.....

10-11-2009, 09:26	#5
Kriskiki Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Somewhere in Devon Posts: 128	I did vote

10-11-2009, 09:32	#8
cfc86 Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Gender: Female Location: Ruth Lorenzo Services: Supporting Lucie Jones Posts: 12,202	1. I was looking forward to her performance more so than anyone else's every week. 2. She is not bland or boring and while I prefer her old look the makeover isn't too bad. Not that she needed one as she was already stunning. 3. I DID vote. Every single week I voted for her and was always excited finding out what song she was doing and how it would turn out. I'm not some teen either as I'm 23 and have loved Lucie since her audition. Don't assume not all of her fans voted cause some of us actually did.

10-11-2009, 09:34	#9
jedward4pontins Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 95	maybe because people felt with lloyd and j&E in the competition...the safety net of the judges vote would ensure her safety? Simon is trying to eliminate the lack of votes caused by this complacency by completely bypassing this safety net making it a completely pointless excercise. In short as someone else has perceptively pointed out, the viewers are being bullied into voting.

10-11-2009, 09:36	#10
Charlottesweb Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 6,655	Surely the same question could be asked of the twins? They had continuous media coverage far beyond any other act, we are constantly told they are the only reason people watch the show, but polled less votes than a tone deaf adolescent who has the movement and grace of a thunderbirds puppet, a faux rocker who not only coudnt decide what key to sing in, he couldnt decide which tune he was singing the words to, and someone who we are told only last week is more hated than hitler - apparently. The issue with the Lucie thing is Simon shattered the whole 'talent contest' image that the show totally and utterly relies on to give it the ounce of credibility needed to get people voting in huge numbers. He himself has said so often the twins cannot sing , and the day before proclaimed Lucie as a 'relevant pop star' , he damaged the brand. Not because Lucie was the be all end all, but because he made the fact the show is entirely based around commercial gain for his company so obvious people can no longer pretend its anything else. It will, short term, make him money, long term the brand is wounded , I suspect a completely different show will be needed next year to get away from it. Misjudgement on his teams part this time. It was coming with the Rachel thing, this one was the killer. I think what I got from the show was the 'popularity' of the twins is an illusion. Like BB stars before them, Nikki et al, the media pick them to hype up and tell us how great and popular they are, but outside tabloid world, no one really cares.

10-11-2009, 09:39	#12
KatrinaK Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,663	Who voted for the twins here? They were second to bottom after all so they couldn't have polled a grand number of votes too. The whole sing of method is used for contestants who poll low numbers. That's the whole incentive behind it. It's not used to let the public decide (unless they're genuinly torn, which let's face it going by Simons comments over the twins wasn't) but it's used for the judges to decide, not us.

10-11-2009, 10:12	#20
Takeachancex Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Gender: Female Location: London Services: Team Minogue :) Posts: 3,708	FYI OP, I voted for Lucie several times

10-11-2009, 10:32	#24
chipstick10 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,261	Omg she was dull, she sang without any passion or soul. She was never going to win, simon was right.