[Dixon]

He probably wouldn't want to have anything to do with a dying/dead show like BB, but just think if he did??? I reckon that he couyld turn it all around and get the show back to where it once was.
Whatever anyone might think of him he knows what makes for for popular tv, and as he has shown by keeping in Pinky and Perky he will do anything to keep a show popular, which is in stark contrast to those who've been running/ruining bb over the past few years or so

If someone with his nouse ran bb, i honestly think the show would still be as popular as it ever was. Some ten years his show is more popular than ever, so that proves beyond doubt that bb has gone very badly wrong over the past few years and it is NOT down to the general decline in tv viewing figures.

[oathy]

hes on record saying its his Job to drive BB off the TV.

[UglyDuckling40]

No, and last Sunday illustrated this point. You cannot tell me that Jedward had more talent than Lucie Jones.Yet, who was sacrificed for future ratings last weekend.

It is one of the reasons why BB is going downhill. Interesting characters are sacrificed early to leave in so-called popular characters who actually bring 'nothing to the table'.

[oldtimer55]

BB has sadly run its course and nothing can save it.It's far too predictable,and even the HMs have no respect for it.

Look at the way Siavash behaved this year!He should have been slung out on his hairy bottom for total disregard to the rules.

R I P, BB. It was a great concept.

[chelle6]

Ooh yes I think they should have a public vote and then let a panal of judges make the final call.
Totally nick the idea and get ex-HM mentors to choose 3 HMs and the HMs can talk to their mentor in the DR once a week. At the end of the week the lowest rated HMs face the judges and one is voted out by the panel.

I nominate as mentors, Nikki, Luke, Rachel, Marcus and Freddie, maybe even Mario.

I would definately watch it and it would encourage HMs to blatantly play the game of trying to please the audience with the encouragement of their mentor.

Ok the idea had flaws but maybe a show like that could replace BB.

[Fried Kickin]

He wouldn't get out of bed the pittance BB would bring in.

[Barracute]

Originally Posted by chelle6

Ooh yes I think they should have a public vote and then let a panal of judges make the final call.
Totally nick the idea and get ex-HM mentors to choose 3 HMs and the HMs can talk to their mentor in the DR once a week. At the end of the week the lowest rated HMs face the judges and one is voted out by the panel.

I nominate as mentors, Nikki, Luke, Rachel, Marcus and Freddie, maybe even Mario.

I would definately watch it and it would encourage HMs to blatantly play the game of trying to please the audience with the encouragement of their mentor.

Ok the idea had flaws but maybe a show like that could replace BB.

Actually thats not as bad as it first sounds (and NO not just because of the hms you've named lol !!) Its manipulated enough now - why not have former hms giving advice to current hms? XF has nicked plenty off BB, so can't complain if BB were to nick it back lol

As others have said Cowell would never have anything to do with it - and thank god for that - we'd have the most hated hms left at the end !

[phil solo]

If you already think the winner of BB is a fix, you'd know for certain if Cowell was running it. Only those who would make him the most money after the event would stand a chance.

[DDRickyDD]

BB is ending after next year, deal with it. No TV programme last forever and it's had a good run.

[chelle6]

Originally Posted by Barracute

Actually thats not as bad as it first sounds (and NO not just because of the hms you've named lol !!) Its manipulated enough now - why not have former hms giving advice to current hms? XF has nicked plenty off BB, so can't complain if BB were to nick it back lol

As others have said Cowell would never have anything to do with it - and thank god for that - we'd have the most hated hms left at the end !

Yah some support for my not so well thought out plan, now we just need to pitch it to Endemol

[CLL Dodge]

Originally Posted by UglyDuckling40

No, and last Sunday illustrated this point. You cannot tell me that Jedward had more talent than Lucie Jones.Yet, who was sacrificed for future ratings last weekend.

It is one of the reasons why BB is going downhill. Interesting characters are sacrificed early to leave in so-called popular characters who actually bring 'nothing to the table'.

I fail to see who someone with the least votes can be seen as anything other than unpopular.

Jedward (by whatever degree) actually were more popular. No "so-called" about it, just mathematics.

BB has negative voting (which Jedward would never have survived for so long), so the comparison isn't strictly valid.

[Stephok]

Originally Posted by CLL Dodge

I fail to see who someone with the least votes can be seen as anything other than unpopular.

Jedward (by whatever degree) actually were more popular. No "so-called" about it, just mathematics.

BB has negative voting (which Jedward would never have survived for so long), so the comparison isn't strictly valid.

Sorry to disagree with you but Simon Cowell's face when confronted with his decision spoke volumes ......Bottom two CAN be down to complacency on the part of the voting public ...........X factor lost it's star .......and Simon Cowell realised it when he saw the reaction to his decision .......Which is why he looked embarrassed and why he apologised !

[Dixon]

Originally Posted by UglyDuckling40

No, and last Sunday illustrated this point. You cannot tell me that Jedward had more talent than Lucie Jones.Yet, who was sacrificed for future ratings last weekend.

It is one of the reasons why BB is going downhill. Interesting characters are sacrificed early to leave in so-
called popular characters who actually bring 'nothing to the table'.

With respect i think you are missing the point.

Of course, Lucie shuold have stayed over those two tunelss twerps, but the fact is the twins have helped make this current series more watched and more talked of them all, so as dreadful as the twins are they most definatly have brought something to the table.

Cowell knows that and thats why he kept them in.
He would do the same with BB, and make sure those that are helping drive the series would not be thrown to the wovles like a Grace or Sezer were, to name but two.
Cowell is only interested in money, ratings and success. As long as he gets that he has shown he doesn't give a damn who wins. Unlike those running BB.

[Dixon]

Originally Posted by chelle6

Ooh yes I think they should have a public vote and then let a panal of judges make the final call.
Totally nick the idea and get ex-HM mentors to choose 3 HMs and the HMs can talk to their mentor in the DR once a week. At the end of the week the lowest rated HMs face the judges and one is voted out by the panel.

I nominate as mentors, Nikki, Luke, Rachel, Marcus and Freddie, maybe even Mario.

I would definately watch it and it would encourage HMs to blatantly play the game of trying to please the audience with the encouragement of their mentor.

Ok the idea had flaws but maybe a show like that could replace BB.

Those are probably the best ideas i've seen on here on how the show could be revamped

[UglyDuckling40]

Originally Posted by Dixon

With respect i think you are missing the point.

Of course, Lucie shuold have stayed over those two tunelss twerps, but the fact is the twins have helped make this current series more watched and more talked of them all, so as dreadful as the twins are they most definatly have brought something to the table.

Cowell knows that and thats why he kept them in.
He would do the same with BB, and make sure those that are helping drive the series would not be thrown to the wovles like a Grace or Sezer were, to name but two.
Cowell is only interested in money, ratings and success. As long as he gets that he has shown he doesn't give a damn who wins. Unlike those running BB.

That i exactly the point I am trying to raise. Cowell is only interested in money, ratings and success. Therefore, the likes of Sezer and Grace would be thrown to the wolves.

The truth is X Factor will go the way of Big Brother. Give it a couple of more years.

[Dixon]

Originally Posted by UglyDuckling40

That i exactly the point I am trying to raise. Cowell is only interested in money, ratings and success. Therefore, the likes of Sezer and Grace would be thrown to the wolves.

Totally dissagree with you.
He would be smart enough to know that they were palying an important role in the show and keep them in. It would be the quieter, nicer ones that would be very vunerable under a Cowell regime.

[UglyDuckling40]

Originally Posted by Dixon

Totally dissagree with you.
He would be smart enough to know that they were palying an important role in the show and keep them in. It would be the quieter, nicer ones that would be very vunerable under a Cowell regime.

So someone like a Pete who was very popular but not exactly loud would be vulnerable to an early eviction under the Cowell regime.

I doubt it.

[CLL Dodge]

Originally Posted by UglyDuckling40

So someone like a Pete who was very popular but not exactly loud would be vulnerable to an early eviction under the Cowell regime.

I doubt it.

Pete was one of the noisier HMs, not just banging pots and his Tourettes verbal tics, he also had a very dramatic way of speaking when he claimed center stage.

[bluntbob]

Originally Posted by Dixon

Totally dissagree with you.
He would be smart enough to know that they were palying an important role in the show and keep them in. It would be the quieter, nicer ones that would be very vunerable under a Cowell regime.

Well if that's the case then he'd pretty much do what BB are doing now...and it's that same interferance (in which the producers themselves dictate what or who is "important" to the show) that's killing BB. The show needs balance. Interesting doesn't mean loud. The show is interesting when there's a diverse mix of personalities. The show also isn't X-Factor (although that's the direction BB are trying to push it in where viewers vote for the most "entertaining") but housemate's aren't entertaining in isolation. They need other housemates to clash or bounce off, and that's why diversity is important because it's the ongoing situations, relationships and STORIES that the housemates create with each other that is important, not HMs doing a contrived song and dance routine. However BB have been competely dumbing down the many interesting storylines and developements between the HMs in order to promote individual HMs.

People kept moaning that Rachel was boring....I can see why people may possibly see her as tame or boring in isolation but in the context of the show no she wasn't!!! because her personality clashed and bounced off other personalities which created interesting stories and scenarios! It's the overall story that keeps me interested in the HMs! Not any one single eliment! ...and It was those scenarios and situations that exposed her metal. It was a quality I really liked about her. Different HMs shine in different ways when dropped into the mix and it's interesting (to me at least) how each person progresses within that mix.

The other thing they've destroyed is the 'goldfish bowl' aspect to the show...which is the very heart of the whole concept of BB. "Big Brother is watching you" 24 hour servailance!! Big brother isn't just the producers....Big Brother is also US the viewing public!! The goldfish bowl aspect to the show is what builds our emotional attatchment to the housemates and thus feeds our addiction to what's happining to them. Our perceptions, emotions and opinions evolve along with the HMs! Without that the show has no emotional value to the viewer...it's now just people choosing winners and losers at the start of the show and sticking with that because the 'fanclub' is more important than what's going on. They've taken away everything that allowed us to be emotionally involved!! And with a show like BB emotional involvement is EVERYTHING!! The formant is boring because they've made it boring! They have no faith in their HMs or their viewers and give us simplistic cartoon crap because they think that's all we can process!!

So If Simon Cowell (not that he'd have anything to do with BB anway) is going to give us a more condensed, cynical, flatter, X- factor style version of the sh*t BB are already serving us now then no thanks!!

[ElaineS]

Simon has lost face over keeping Jedward instead of the actually talented Lucie. His popularity has tumbled.

[Tableface64]

Originally Posted by bluntbob

Well if that's the case then he'd pretty much do what BB are doing now...and it's that same interferance (in which the producers themselves dictate what or who is "important" to the show) that's killing BB. The show needs balance. Interesting doesn't mean loud. The show is interesting when there's a diverse mix of personalities. The show also isn't X-Factor (although that's the direction BB are trying to push it in where viewers vote for the most "entertaining") but housemate's aren't entertaining in isolation. They need other housemates to clash or bounce off, and that's why diversity is important because it's the ongoing situations, relationships and STORIES that the housemates create with each other that is important, not HMs doing a contrived song and dance routine. However BB have been competely dumbing down the many interesting storylines and developements between the HMs in order to promote individual HMs.

People kept moaning that Rachel was boring....I can see why people may possibly see her as tame or boring in isolation but in the context of the show no she wasn't!!! because her personality clashed and bounced off other personalities which created interesting stories and scenarios! It's the overall story that keeps me interested in the HMs! Not any one single eliment! ...and It was those scenarios and situations that exposed her metal. It was a quality I really liked about her. Different HMs shine in different ways when dropped into the mix and it's interesting (to me at least) how each person progresses within that mix.

The other thing they've destroyed is the 'goldfish bowl' aspect to the show...which is the very heart of the whole concept of BB. "Big Brother is watching you" 24 hour servailance!! Big brother isn't just the producers....Big Brother is also US the viewing public!! The goldfish bowl aspect to the show is what builds our emotional attatchment to the housemates and thus feeds our addiction to what's happining to them. Our perceptions, emotions and opinions evolve along with the HMs! Without that the show has no emotional value to the viewer...it's now just people choosing winners and losers at the start of the show and sticking with that because the 'fanclub' is more important than what's going on. They've taken away everything that allowed us to be emotionally involved!! And with a show like BB emotional involvement is EVERYTHING!! The formant is boring because they've made it boring! They have no faith in their HMs or their viewers and give us simplistic cartoon crap because they think that's all we can process!!

So If Simon Cowell (not that he'd have anything to do with BB anway) is going to give us a more condensed, cynical, flatter, X- factor style version of the sh*t BB are already serving us now then no thanks!!

Absolutely 100% on the nail with this post!

[i4u]

Originally Posted by ElaineS

Simon has lost face over keeping Jedward instead of the actually talented Lucie. His popularity has tumbled.

Nah he's got his 'man' providing protection.

[Dixon]

Originally Posted by UglyDuckling40

So someone like a Pete who was very popular but not exactly loud would be vulnerable to an early eviction under the Cowell regime.

I doubt it.

Well, anyone who watched bb7 wuld clearly have seen that Pete was playing an important part in the show.
What i should have said was the quieter, more 'normal' hm's would be in danger.
I know it's all hypathetical, but lets say that a Grace was up against a Rachel. We all know that 99% of bb voters would boot out Grace, but Cowell would see the bigger picture and see that Grace was the one who was making headlines and therefore helping hype the show.
He would save 'villians' if they were more important to the show than so-called nice people.

[Tableface64]

Anyway... aside from the point made by the OP, would we really want more any more Simon ****in' Cowell on the telly than we aleady have ?

[Dixon]

Originally Posted by Tableface64

Anyway... aside from the point made by the OP, would we really want more any more Simon ****in' Cowell on the telly than we aleady have ?

More of him anyday over the now atrocious Davina, and the other gimps presenting the spin off shows.