[Kimmoiserie]

This year's show is dull, deathly dull. The "legit" singers are mediocre or competent at best and largely personality free zones.

We're told Olly Murs is a performing dynamo, he's Cruise boat entertainment - a poor man's Robbie Williams tribute act.

Danyl - the greatest vocalist the X Factor's ever had? Come on, he has two default modes shrieking & mumbling. And as in tune as the twins most of the time, yet somehow no one ever mentions this.

Jamie Archer - the pub's loss is not the general public's gain.

Lloyd - sweet boy, can't sing, really truly talentless, sweet boy.

Joe - sweet boy, can sing, so what? Sweet boy.

Stacey - Again tuneless, out of tune much of the time, a backing singer, occasionally nice sound. Zero performance ability.

Lucie - Sweet, unremarkable voice, sweet pretty face, sweet.... a Primark Hannah Montana.

Can you really truly say that five weeks of these 7 warbling their way through 2 minutes of karaoke backing tracks and theme nights is entertainment?

Could you seriously, seriously see any of them shifting records in their millions, even making back the million that the winning prize "costs"? A million pound recording contract is only worth a million pounds to the winner if they actually make any money. If not it's a loss offset by the huge advertising revenues and phone votes revenue garnered in the competition and the twins are worth their weight in platinum to the advertisers. They're Syco, Cowell and ITV's golden goose. The only real winners this year apart from Cowell and ITV.

Cowell's a canny, savvy buisnessman. The twins bring ratings, huge advertising revenue & endless column inches. What they lack in vocals (and what they do lack isn't that short of the other contestants) they make up in gusto, energy, mad insane performance, watchability - the X Factor, they are the show.

Believe me, you will miss them when they gone. And if you want a singing competition go to Glyndebourne, Bayreuth or Jetter Parker young artists at the Royal Opera House.

X factor isn't singing any more than Big Brother is a microcosm of society or I'm A Celebrity... is Bear Grylls.

Savour the twins on X Factor when they're no longer there you'll see what a bland, facile charade it all is. Cowell made the right choice.

[sofakat]

Why do you watch it at all? Is it a form of masochism or are you paid to do it?

Just wondered.

[jedluv]

Nice post by the OP!

[Indigo Louise]

Originally Posted by Kimmoiserie

This year's show is dull, deathly dull. The "legit" singers are mediocre or competent at best and largely personality free zones.

We're told Olly Murs is a performing dynamo, he's Cruise boat entertainment - a poor man's Robbie Williams tribute act.

Danyl - the greatest vocalist the X Factor's ever had? Come on, he has two default modes shrieking & mumbling. And as in tune as the twins most of the time, yet somehow no one ever mentions this.

Jamie Archer - the pub's loss is not the general public's gain.

Lloyd - sweet boy, can't sing, really truly talentless, sweet boy.

Joe - sweet boy, can sing, so what? Sweet boy.

Stacey - Again tuneless, out of tune much of the time, a backing singer, occasionally nice sound. Zero performance ability.

Lucie - Sweet, unremarkable voice, sweet pretty face, sweet.... a Primark Hannah Montana.

Can you really truly say that five weeks of these 7 warbling their way through 2 minutes of karaoke backing tracks and theme nights is entertainment?

Could you seriously, seriously see any of them shifting records in their millions, even making back the million that the winning prize "costs"? A million pound recording contract is only worth a million pounds to the winner if they actually make any money. If not it's a loss offset by the huge advertising revenues and phone votes revenue garnered in the competition and the twins are worth their weight in platinum to the advertisers. They're Syco, Cowell and ITV's golden goose. The only real winners this year apart from Cowell and ITV.

Cowell's a canny, savvy buisnessman. The twins bring ratings, huge advertising revenue & endless column inches. What they lack in vocals (and what they do lack isn't that short of the other contestants) they make up in gusto, energy, mad insane performance, watchability - the X Factor, they are the show.

Believe me, you will miss them when they gone. And if you want a singing competition go to Glyndebourne, Bayreuth or Jetter Parker young artists at the Royal Opera House.

X factor isn't singing any more than Big Brother is a microcosm of society or I'm A Celebrity... is Bear Grylls.

Savour the twins on X Factor when they're no longer there you'll see what a bland, facile charade it all is. Cowell made the right choice.

I am not remotely interested in Glyndebourne, Bayreuth or Jetter Parker thanks very much.

I normally enjoy X-factor because there are enjoyable acts on there.

This year it happens to be a bit shit - twins included.

[LoveBug_x]

I completely agree.

People would be complaining of bordedom without the twins in there to liven up a Saturday night.

If they wen't I'd probably only watch to see Joe win or 'cos there's simply nothing else on (:

And maybe the banter between the judges, but that's getting old now!

[shinrahunter]

Originally Posted by Kimmoiserie

This year's show is dull, deathly dull. The "legit" singers are mediocre or competent at best and largely personality free zones.

We're told Olly Murs is a performing dynamo, he's Cruise boat entertainment - a poor man's Robbie Williams tribute act.

Danyl - the greatest vocalist the X Factor's ever had? Come on, he has two default modes shrieking & mumbling. And as in tune as the twins most of the time, yet somehow no one ever mentions this.

Jamie Archer - the pub's loss is not the general public's gain.

Lloyd - sweet boy, can't sing, really truly talentless, sweet boy.

Joe - sweet boy, can sing, so what? Sweet boy.

Stacey - Again tuneless, out of tune much of the time, a backing singer, occasionally nice sound. Zero performance ability.

Lucie - Sweet, unremarkable voice, sweet pretty face, sweet.... a Primark Hannah Montana.

Can you really truly say that five weeks of these 7 warbling their way through 2 minutes of karaoke backing tracks and theme nights is entertainment?

Could you seriously, seriously see any of them shifting records in their millions, even making back the million that the winning prize "costs"? A million pound recording contract is only worth a million pounds to the winner if they actually make any money. If not it's a loss offset by the huge advertising revenues and phone votes revenue garnered in the competition and the twins are worth their weight in platinum to the advertisers. They're Syco, Cowell and ITV's golden goose. The only real winners this year apart from Cowell and ITV.

Cowell's a canny, savvy buisnessman. The twins bring ratings, huge advertising revenue & endless column inches. What they lack in vocals (and what they do lack isn't that short of the other contestants) they make up in gusto, energy, mad insane performance, watchability - the X Factor, they are the show.

Believe me, you will miss them when they gone. And if you want a singing competition go to Glyndebourne, Bayreuth or Jetter Parker young artists at the Royal Opera House.

X factor isn't singing any more than Big Brother is a microcosm of society or I'm A Celebrity... is Bear Grylls.

Savour the twins on X Factor when they're no longer there you'll see what a bland, facile charade it all is. Cowell made the right choice.

why is everything sweet?

Opera?
Someone fetch the harpoon, we've got a live one!

[Distoney]

IMO Simon made the right decision. When he made his decision, he was putting all the past aside (that included Jon and Edward's performances) he would make his decision based on the sing off. I thought both performances were good but in different ways and I believe he felt the same way. Both acts worked equally hard for to keep their position.

I am glad it was taken to public vote and at the end of the day it was down to the public. Honestly, people complain when the sing off is not taken to public vote and are now complaining because it is.

[Indigo Louise]

Originally Posted by shinrahunter

why is everything sweet?

Opera?
Someone fetch the harpoon, we've got a live one!

PMSL!!!

[kitten12]

There is nothing to disagree with in the OP"s comments.

[Indigo Louise]

Originally Posted by kitten12

There is nothing to disagree with in the OP"s comments.

This is not a dictatorship - it's a discusssion forum and I think many will find the OP's post dubious and questionable in the extreme.

[Kimmoiserie]

I watch for the twins and the twins alone and am DAMN proud to admit that fact.

I'm sure that the poster two posts up isn't remotely interested in Bayreuth, Glyndebourne or Jette Parker, in fact I very much doubt whether he/she knows what they are, however the whole concept of a "singing" competition is specious, especially if the legitimate vocalists are truly being presented as the "best" Britain has to offer, please.

X Factor is about money, it's about advertising revenue, it's about entertainment and yes, I'm fully aware that entertainment like Jedward is an acquired, personal thing, different to each viewer.

But the media has spoken and it wants the twins, boy are they nice little earners.

The viewing public apparently want to spend £14 downloading en masse an album of Olly singing 50/60s staple hits, he's a millennial Ross Abbott.

Or, Joe singing show tunes, at least Gareth Gates had a stutter which gave him some semblance of a personality.

Or Danyl "I'm-not-gay-I'm-bisexual-cry-me-a-river" Johnson shrieking his way to a chorus as a million verses lie tattered at his feet.

I think everyone needs to get over this £1million pound recording contract. The £1million is approximately the figure it costs to make, produce and market the album of the winner. It's not the sum paid to the winner, nor is it any guarantee that the sum will be made back in sales. It's like our recent property crash, you had people owning multiple homes claiming they were property magnates/developers and were worth millions. They weren't they were in hoc to the banks for millions, they ostensibly owned on paper assets worth millions, but they were poor as church mice in terms of liquid assets and when the market changed, house prices fell and banks demanded the negative equity be paid back they were in debt to millions.

The three front runners of Olly, Joe & Danyl are actually first time buyers, buying a mansion on a 100% mortgage with potentially £1million pounds of negative equity.

Who the hell actually wants to win X Factor, you'd be better off taking out a bank loan, just ask Steve Brookstein, Shayne "my new album will be out soon... soon" Ward, Leon Jackson and depending how the next year or so actually pans out maybe Alexandra Burke.

One Leona Lewis, whatever you may think of her, does not make a legitimate singing competition, nor the prize equal for ever contestant.

[cocotai]

Originally Posted by Kimmoiserie

This year's show is dull, deathly dull. The "legit" singers are mediocre or competent at best and largely personality free zones.

We're told Olly Murs is a performing dynamo, he's Cruise boat entertainment - a poor man's Robbie Williams tribute act.

Danyl - the greatest vocalist the X Factor's ever had? Come on, he has two default modes shrieking & mumbling. And as in tune as the twins most of the time, yet somehow no one ever mentions this.

Jamie Archer - the pub's loss is not the general public's gain.

Lloyd - sweet boy, can't sing, really truly talentless, sweet boy.

Joe - sweet boy, can sing, so what? Sweet boy.

Stacey - Again tuneless, out of tune much of the time, a backing singer, occasionally nice sound. Zero performance ability.

Lucie - Sweet, unremarkable voice, sweet pretty face, sweet.... a Primark Hannah Montana.

Can you really truly say that five weeks of these 7 warbling their way through 2 minutes of karaoke backing tracks and theme nights is entertainment?

Could you seriously, seriously see any of them shifting records in their millions, even making back the million that the winning prize "costs"? A million pound recording contract is only worth a million pounds to the winner if they actually make any money. If not it's a loss offset by the huge advertising revenues and phone votes revenue garnered in the competition and the twins are worth their weight in platinum to the advertisers. They're Syco, Cowell and ITV's golden goose. The only real winners this year apart from Cowell and ITV.

Cowell's a canny, savvy buisnessman. The twins bring ratings, huge advertising revenue & endless column inches. What they lack in vocals (and what they do lack isn't that short of the other contestants) they make up in gusto, energy, mad insane performance, watchability - the X Factor, they are the show.

Believe me, you will miss them when they gone. And if you want a singing competition go to Glyndebourne, Bayreuth or Jetter Parker young artists at the Royal Opera House.

X factor isn't singing any more than Big Brother is a microcosm of society or I'm A Celebrity... is Bear Grylls.

Savour the twins on X Factor when they're no longer there you'll see what a bland, facile charade it all is. Cowell made the right choice.

I agree with everything you wrote. Excellent assessment and critique of the show that has become a source of embarrassment to the REAL talent who auditioned this year.
X Factor has become dreary, bland and cringeworthy.
The remaining singers have not got the 'x factor' at all. I'll only be watching the result show, as I'm still curious to see who will go through. Put it this way, they are not destined for stardom at all

[Kimmoiserie]

Originally Posted by shinrahunter

why is everything sweet?

Opera?
Someone fetch the harpoon, we've got a live one!

That's all they are though "sweet", sweetness is mediocre, bland innocuous, boring. What else can one say, the three were chosen for "sweetness" and nothing else. What more is there to say, or worth saying.

And I use opera because of this constant carping about singing competition, in terms of singing competitions if you want legitimate singers, or world class talent, who've trained for years to produce voices which are true musical instruments - why the hell are you watching X Factor? That's what opera is, the voice as an instrument, capable of lasting more than two minutes and constructing a song from start to end.

By those standards, Joe is the only one worthy of winning, he's the only singer in X Factor who consistently is able to start and finish what he's given, in tune, musically, in tempo - he's dull as ditchwater, but he can actually sing. So yes, if that's what you want, I agree give Joe the dubious honour of X Factor winner 2009.

[willywonker]

Simon stated he would judge it on the sing off and after slagging the twins off for weeks saying they cant sing all of a sudden he cannot make a decsion, this what I feel has annoyed the majority of the general public, the man is a hypocrite and a liar.....simples.

[oathy]

Just posted in another thread..

lets say sunday Danyl and lloyd are in the bottom 2..the judges force it to deadlock.
and lloyd gets more votes.

we all know cowell is going to be furious all this debate will be pointless because once it backfires on him..thats when double standards appear from Cowell.

BS he didnt know the votes if anyone truly belives a bloke who has the power to sack people on the spot wouldnt know stuff like that...he takes people for Fools.

[cloud933]

Originally Posted by Kimmoiserie

This year's show is dull, deathly dull. The "legit" singers are mediocre or competent at best and largely personality free zones.

We're told Olly Murs is a performing dynamo, he's Cruise boat entertainment - a poor man's Robbie Williams tribute act.

Danyl - the greatest vocalist the X Factor's ever had? Come on, he has two default modes shrieking & mumbling. And as in tune as the twins most of the time, yet somehow no one ever mentions this.

Jamie Archer - the pub's loss is not the general public's gain.

Lloyd - sweet boy, can't sing, really truly talentless, sweet boy.

Joe - sweet boy, can sing, so what? Sweet boy.

Stacey - Again tuneless, out of tune much of the time, a backing singer, occasionally nice sound. Zero performance ability.

Lucie - Sweet, unremarkable voice, sweet pretty face, sweet.... a Primark Hannah Montana.

Can you really truly say that five weeks of these 7 warbling their way through 2 minutes of karaoke backing tracks and theme nights is entertainment?

Could you seriously, seriously see any of them shifting records in their millions, even making back the million that the winning prize "costs"? A million pound recording contract is only worth a million pounds to the winner if they actually make any money. If not it's a loss offset by the huge advertising revenues and phone votes revenue garnered in the competition and the twins are worth their weight in platinum to the advertisers. They're Syco, Cowell and ITV's golden goose. The only real winners this year apart from Cowell and ITV.

Cowell's a canny, savvy buisnessman. The twins bring ratings, huge advertising revenue & endless column inches. What they lack in vocals (and what they do lack isn't that short of the other contestants) they make up in gusto, energy, mad insane performance, watchability - the X Factor, they are the show.

Believe me, you will miss them when they gone. And if you want a singing competition go to Glyndebourne, Bayreuth or Jetter Parker young artists at the Royal Opera House.

X factor isn't singing any more than Big Brother is a microcosm of society or I'm A Celebrity... is Bear Grylls.

Savour the twins on X Factor when they're no longer there you'll see what a bland, facile charade it all is. Cowell made the right choice.

I agree to a point. We saw some absolutely fantastic auditions but ever since the live shows its been..as you say..mediocre. The judges have to take some of the responsibility for this because contestants dont suddenly go from being able to sing wonderfully to being shoddy. Judges giving their contestants songs that are badly chosen must play a part here.

[Kimmoiserie]

Originally Posted by willywonker

Simon stated he would judge it on the sing off and after slagging the twins off for weeks saying they cant sing all of a sudden he cannot make a decsion, this what I feel has annoyed the majority of the general public, the man is a hypocrite and a liar.....simples.

No, the man is a consummate showman, businessman and this year the saviour of ITV. With the loss of the twins goes the 15million+ viewers, the endless column inches, the £70million+ in advertising space revenue.

With the loss of the twins goes the scandal, the constant media presence and two boys who make this the most talked about, lucrative, watched show in the UK.

And why give the twins such a hard time? Rachel was a real talent, Cowell kept Lloyd in over her with deadlock.

Simples. People do need to grow up and stop taking such facile, banal approaches to what is a moneyspinning PR phenomenon.

But back to the original question, who wants to watch five weeks of Olly, Danyl, Jamie, Joe, Stacey, Lucie & Lloyd battle it out over 14 minutes of karaoke strung out over three hours over two days?

(BTW: Rhetorical question, if you are that kind of person please don't respond. I know you're out there and it's just scary enough knowing you exist, I don't want to enter debate with you.)

[shinrahunter]

Originally Posted by Kimmoiserie

I watch for the twins and the twins alone and am DAMN proud to admit that fact.

I'm sure that the poster two posts up isn't remotely interested in Bayreuth, Glyndebourne or Jette Parker, in fact I very much doubt whether he/she knows what they are, however the whole concept of a "singing" competition is specious, especially if the legitimate vocalists are truly being presented as the "best" Britain has to offer, please.

That's not very nice to say about Kitten12, who from what I read, was supporting your view.


Unless you meant myself (man) or Louise (who I assume is a lady).

If you did mean me, I can assure you, I've never heard of those acts. You see, I'm a fan of real music, that people make with instruments and sing to.
Opera on the other hand is just noise. Sure you might like the sound of it, just like you might like to listen to cat's screeching or birds tweeting. It's inaudible and as such, imo, it can't be classed as 'music'.

I'm glad to hear you watch it just for the Twins, I don'ty usually watch the show (well, I try to avoid it) because it's not my thing really but I saw the auditionas and thought Lucie was superb. Obviously not up there with Mariah & Leona but still very nice to listen to.
Now that she's gone I doubt I'll be tuning in again this year.

The only reason the twins are in the media so much and get so much attention is because they're the bungling idiots of the bunch. Much like Wiley Coyote in Roadrunner or Mc'Lovin/Fogel in Superbad

[willywonker]

Originally Posted by Kimmoiserie

No, the man is a consummate showman, businessman and this year the saviour of ITV. With the loss of the twins goes the 15million+ viewers, the endless column inches, the £70million+ in advertising space revenue.

With the loss of the twins goes the scandal, the constant media presence and two boys who make this the most talked about, lucrative, watched show in the UK.

And why give the twins such a hard time? Rachel was a real talent, Cowell kept Lloyd in over her with deadlock.

Simples. People do need to grow up and stop taking such facile, banal approaches to what is a moneyspinning PR phenomenon.

But back to the original question, who wants to watch five weeks of Olly, Danyl, Jamie, Joe, Stacey, Lucie & Lloyd battle it out over 14 minutes of karaoke strung out over three hours over two days?

(BTW: Rhetorical question, if you are that kind of person please don't respond. I know you're out there and it's just scary enough knowing you exist, I don't want to enter debate with you.)

Regardless, he is a hypocrite and liar, most successful businessmen probably are.

[jon_ellacott]

Originally Posted by Kimmoiserie

We're told Olly Murs is a performing dynamo, he's Cruise boat entertainment - a poor man's Robbie Williams tribute act.

Danyl - the greatest vocalist the X Factor's ever had? Come on, he has two default modes shrieking & mumbling. And as in tune as the twins most of the time, yet somehow no one ever mentions this.

Jamie Archer - the pub's loss is not the general public's gain.

Lloyd - sweet boy, can't sing, really truly talentless, sweet boy.

Joe - sweet boy, can sing, so what? Sweet boy.

Stacey - Again tuneless, out of tune much of the time, a backing singer, occasionally nice sound. Zero performance ability.

Lucie - Sweet, unremarkable voice, sweet pretty face, sweet.... a Primark Hannah Montana.

Disagree with the bulk of that.

Specifically in regards to Danyl, Stacey and Jamie. Those 3 are the ones who really impressed me in the auditions and are probably the most talented out of the bunch of those left.

Danyl did not shout once on Saturday in his performance, actually in any of the performances I have watched. Stacey can sing in tune, and has a great voice but similiar songs are letting her down for me. As for Jamie, well Simon's song choices aren't helping are they?

It seems the bulk of the forum believe they could do a damn sight better job, so why don't you audition rather than claim they are all rubbish with no proper eveidence to back your claims!

[Kimmoiserie]

Originally Posted by oathy

Just posted in another thread..

lets say sunday Danyl and lloyd are in the bottom 2..the judges force it to deadlock.
and lloyd gets more votes.

we all know cowell is going to be furious all this debate will be pointless because once it backfires on him..thats when double standards appear from Cowell.

BS he didnt know the votes if anyone truly belives a bloke who has the power to sack people on the spot wouldnt know stuff like that...he takes people for Fools.

Oathy,

You're right and the way things are going it's highly likely that something like this will happen, and Cowell will grumble, but I do believe that he'll accept with something approaching good grace that this is the set up he's created and he'll offset the loss.

However, I don't think he'll care that much, honestly, I think he'll be happy for the publicity, the revenue, the sense that the public have "got one over on him" when really the twins stay in, the public vote en masse and advertising is still at a premium.

His golden boy now seems to be Olly and I reckon he's pretty safe, Danyl Johnson is the one the public seem to see as the whipping boy. I think Cowell knows Johnson can't win and has turned his favour to Olly, Jamie is collatoral damage. As long as he has Olly in his final, I'm sure Cowell will grumble and growl for the cameras as he laughs all the way to the bank.

[Kimmoiserie]

Originally Posted by jon_ellacott

Disagree with the bulk of that.

Specifically in regards to Danyl, Stacey and Jamie. Those 3 are the ones who really impressed me in the auditions and are probably the most talented out of the bunch of those left.

Danyl did not shout once on Saturday in his performance, actually in any of the performances I have watched. Stacey can sing in tune, and has a great voice but similiar songs are letting her down for me. As for Jamie, well Simon's song choices aren't helping are they?

It seems the bulk of the forum believe they could do a damn sight better job, so why don't you audition rather than claim they are all rubbish with no proper eveidence to back your claims!

Ah, Joe,

You're a little sweetie pie aren't you?

[ballyclark]

Originally Posted by Kimmoiserie

Cowell made the right choice.

Er actually it was the public that made the choice.

[Kimmoiserie]

Originally Posted by shinrahunter

That's not very nice to say about Kitten12, who from what I read, was supporting your view.


Unless you meant myself (man) or Louise (who I assume is a lady).

If you did mean me, I can assure you, I've never heard of those acts. You see, I'm a fan of real music, that people make with instruments and sing to.
Opera on the other hand is just noise. Sure you might like the sound of it, just like you might like to listen to cat's screeching or birds tweeting. It's inaudible and as such, imo, it can't be classed as 'music'.

Well done shinrahunter, a demographic has spoken.

[MrsSpoon]

I just don't take it so seriously. It's a TV show and I love it, I like listening to all the contestants and the judges come to that.
But it is always nicer to hear a song I have actually heard of and to hear a song minus vocal gynastics (Lloyd take note.)

If XFactor is supposed to be just a singing contest then we need a no nonsense, no backing singers, dancers or echo so that the voice of the contestant can at least be heard instead of on top of all that fluff to disguise the weaker contestants. But what a boring show that would be!