Dalek in THE WATERS OF MARS? [Spoilers] - Doctor Who and Torchwood

Chump Charity · 10-11-2009, 20:10

total TV guide has a dalek on the front this week along with tennant and duncan.

http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2009/...ide-cover.html

does this mean one will be in the waters of mars?

Over at GB someone mentioned that after the press screening someone said there was.

CheeseyDude1337 · 10-11-2009, 20:22

Thats a Dalek Promo picture they used for 'Parting of the Ways'

They just shoved it on coz its the doctor.

Lets kill matt smith before the weekend so the last 3 hours of david tennant can be fun. Then Cast some other guy. The doctor always wanted to be ginger (apparantly)
He wouldnt get that from any other guy.

spoiler:
Hint: Hes Never gonna give... forget it.

(I'm Bored)

Muttley76 · 10-11-2009, 20:28

The daleks are not in wom....and even if they were it is pointless putting 'spoiler' in a thread title when you then give away the very thing that would be the spoiler if it were true.

stcoop · 10-11-2009, 20:56

There is indeed a Dalek in WOM for a second as part of one of the Doctor's halucinations but I doubt the people who make this magazine actually knew that.

11's Bow Tie · 10-11-2009, 20:59

It's also a great way to sell more copy's than usual

allen_who · 10-11-2009, 21:30

not sure about WoM but rumour has it we get to see a Dalek amongst a whole array of other enemies in 'The End of Time'... Just a rumour so no point enclosing in a spoiler tag....

Chump Charity · 11-11-2009, 23:02

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Originally Posted by stcoop

There is indeed a Dalek in WOM for a second as part of one of the Doctor's halucinations but I doubt the people who make this magazine actually knew that.

maybe they were at the press screening?

Chump Charity · 15-11-2009, 21:55

looks like total tv guide were right

Jakes_stuff · 15-11-2009, 22:09

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Originally Posted by stcoop

There is indeed a Dalek in WOM for a second as part of one of the Doctor's halucinations but I doubt the people who make this magazine actually knew that.

Bit off there!!

JohnFlawbod · 15-11-2009, 22:12

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Originally Posted by Chump Charity

total TV guide has a dalek on the front this week along with tennant and duncan.

http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2009/...ide-cover.html

does this mean one will be in the waters of mars?

Over at GB someone mentioned that after the press screening someone said there was.

LOL, I love this...alternate thread title:

ANTHONY AINLEY resurrected as "The Master"...ooh, sorry: POSSIBLE spoilers....

amos_brearley · 15-11-2009, 22:53

Who'd have thought that Total TV guide would have been giving away a cheeky spoiler and not just using a racy cover image!

Kaylan · 15-11-2009, 23:37

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Originally Posted by Muttley76

The daleks are not in wom....and even if they were it is pointless putting 'spoiler' in a thread title when you then give away the very thing that would be the spoiler if it were true.

Who feels stupid now LOL

Trelly · 16-11-2009, 00:22

Love it when that happens

FATCHOPS · 16-11-2009, 02:05

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Originally Posted by Muttley76

The daleks are not in wom....and even if they were it is pointless putting 'spoiler' in a thread title when you then give away the very thing that would be the spoiler if it were true.

Sniffle774 · 16-11-2009, 08:10

hehe I thought of this thread as soon as I saw the Dalek.

reeley · 16-11-2009, 08:24

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Originally Posted by Muttley76

The daleks are not in wom....and even if they were it is pointless putting 'spoiler' in a thread title when you then give away the very thing that would be the spoiler if it were true.

sorry - WRONG !!

Muttley76 · 16-11-2009, 09:25

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sorry - WRONG !!

well, yes, but a flash back hardly constitutes a proper apperence, as was being implied by the OP, to be fair...

munta · 16-11-2009, 13:18

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Originally Posted by Muttley76

well, yes, but a flash back hardly constitutes a proper apperence, as was being implied by the OP, to be fair...

Unless theres a little bit more to the story that we havn't been told yet.

The fact that the Dalek didn't kill Adelaide when she was a child was very much glossed over. Was it because it knew that she would die eventually or was it because she was key to the future of the universe? Now, this is where I disappear into the realms of pure speculation, and i'm sure I would get shot down by someone more knowledgable of the Whoniverse than me....

When I first saw Gadget I thought there was a passing resemblance between Gadgets eye and a Daleks stalk, so maybe the Dalek had to let her live because they designed themselves on technology used in Gadget. Without Adelaide on Mars, Gadget would not have been created and therefore neither would the Daleks.

Go on, shoot me, i've got a bullet proof vest

darthbibble · 16-11-2009, 13:18

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Originally Posted by munta

the Darlek

The what?

munta · 16-11-2009, 13:20

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Originally Posted by darthbibble

The what?

Yes - I'm dyslexic

Edited - Happy now

andychurchill · 16-11-2009, 13:24

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Originally Posted by munta

Unless theres a little bit more to the story that we havn't been told yet.

The fact that the Dalek didn't kill Adelaide when she was a child was very much glossed over. Was it because it knew that she would die eventually or was it because she was key to the future of the universe? Now, this is where I disappear into the realms of pure speculation, and i'm sure I would get shot down by someone more knowledgable of the Whoniverse than me....

When I first saw Gadget I thought there was a passing resemblance between Gadgets eye and a Daleks stalk, so maybe the Dalek had to let her live because they designed themselves on technology used in Gadget. Without Adelaide on Mars, Gadget would not have been created and therefore neither would the Daleks.

Go on, shoot me, i've got a bullet proof vest

you could be onto something there!

A future Brooke married some alien prince and created a new species, did they not!! This species were the Kaleds! so Davros has Brooke DNA in him!

NewbieCanuck · 16-11-2009, 16:57

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Originally Posted by munta

The fact that the Dalek didn't kill Adelaide when she was a child was very much glossed over. Was it because it knew that she would die eventually or was it because she was key to the future of the universe? Now, this is where I disappear into the realms of pure speculation, and i'm sure I would get shot down by someone more knowledgable of the Whoniverse than me....

When I first saw Gadget I thought there was a passing resemblance between Gadgets eye and a Daleks stalk, so maybe the Dalek had to let her live because they designed themselves on technology used in Gadget. Without Adelaide on Mars, Gadget would not have been created and therefore neither would the Daleks.

Go on, shoot me, i've got a bullet proof vest

On Doctor Who Confidential, it was said the Dalek realised she was part of a fixed point in time.

Certainly there's no link between Gadget and the genesis of the Daleks, as their creation was covered in Genesis of the Daleks. Skaro was not aware of Earth. And if Adelaide had never been born, someone else would have commanded the mission, just as someone else would have taken the first interstellar flight if she hadn't inspired her granddaughter.

While someone is always first to accomplish a dream, dreams are rather commonplace. Many people were working on flight, but the Wright brothers were first. If they'd never lived, does anyone think we wouldn't have flight yet? Or if Alexander Graham Bell hadn't been born that we wouldn't have telephones?

Tigger-Roo · 16-11-2009, 18:12

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Originally Posted by NewbieCanuck

On Doctor Who Confidential, it was said the Dalek realised she was part of a fixed point in time.

Certainly there's no link between Gadget and the genesis of the Daleks, as their creation was covered in Genesis of the Daleks. Skaro was not aware of Earth. And if Adelaide had never been born, someone else would have commanded the mission, just as someone else would have taken the first interstellar flight if she hadn't inspired her granddaughter.

While someone is always first to accomplish a dream, dreams are rather commonplace. Many people were working on flight, but the Wright brothers were first. If they'd never lived, does anyone think we wouldn't have flight yet? Or if Alexander Graham Bell hadn't been born that we wouldn't have telephones?

Have to say the dalek encounter rather intrigued me too. I suppose it's nothing more than has already been said. Adelaide was a fixed point in the future and so the dalek could not kill her at that point.

But I do like to look at things a bit further, and wonder if the dalek knew that she would in some way be the catalyst for the demise of the Doctor.

If she were not on Mars when the Doctor arrived, he would not have gone into his omnipotent status, meddled with the timeline and maybe in doing so set up his own downfall. We don't know yes whether there are repercussions to what he's done. Only that Adelaides granddaugher did fulfil her destiny. So maybe the dalek realised her importance in the future and spared her.

NewbieCanuck · 16-11-2009, 18:28

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Originally Posted by Tigger-Roo

Have to say the dalek encounter rather intrigued me too. I suppose it's nothing more than has already been said. Adelaide was a fixed point in the future and so the dalek could not kill her at that point.

But I do like to look at things a bit further, and wonder if the dalek knew that she would in some way be the catalyst for the demise of the Doctor.

Having knowledge of the future is so confusing, isn't it? Since the Daleks were intending to use the reality bomb, it's inescapable that either Adelaide would die along with everyone else anyway and she wasn't really a fixed point in time, or else if she was a fixed point in time that their plan would inevitably fail.

The same applies to being catalyst for the demise of the Doctor. If the bomb worked, the Doctor was doomed anyway.

FATCHOPS · 16-11-2009, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Muttley76

well, yes, but a flash back hardly constitutes a proper apperence, as was being implied by the OP, to be fair...

The question the OP asked was do you think there will be one in wom? There was! Don't worry about it Muttley we all get things wrong now and again.

10-11-2009, 20:10	#1
Chump Charity Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 44	Dalek in THE WATERS OF MARS? [Spoilers] total TV guide has a dalek on the front this week along with tennant and duncan. http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2009/...ide-cover.html does this mean one will be in the waters of mars? Over at GB someone mentioned that after the press screening someone said there was.

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CheeseyDude1337 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Stick Land Posts: 227 Blog Entries: 2	Thats a Dalek Promo picture they used for 'Parting of the Ways' They just shoved it on coz its the doctor. Lets kill matt smith before the weekend so the last 3 hours of david tennant can be fun. Then Cast some other guy. The doctor always wanted to be ginger (apparantly) He wouldnt get that from any other guy. spoiler: Hint: Hes Never gonna give... forget it. (I'm Bored)

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Muttley76 Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Hiding from the Waters of Mars Services: Carrot Juice Posts: 63,190	The daleks are not in wom....and even if they were it is pointless putting 'spoiler' in a thread title when you then give away the very thing that would be the spoiler if it were true.

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stcoop Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,508	There is indeed a Dalek in WOM for a second as part of one of the Doctor's halucinations but I doubt the people who make this magazine actually knew that.

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11's Bow Tie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Stockbridge Posts: 157	It's also a great way to sell more copy's than usual

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Chump Charity Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 44	looks like total tv guide were right

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