[sley]

just saw sunita on gmtv obviously sticking up for simon,saying that he did the right thing in letting the public decide.if there was NO sing off then yes then that would have been fair,but there was and lucy was the better singer.This is the reason people are angry.

[UnrealityTV]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn...

[neelia]

Yep she is another one who seems to think that its ok for the result to depend on the order that Dermot asks the judges for their decision. Why don't be just link it to the first number released for the National Lottery?

It depends on your idea of fair though about the public. Is it fair that who goes is decided by the votes of what is almost certainly a small % percentage of all those who voted (i.e. excluding the views of those who voted for neither of the bottom two acts)?

Not getting into who was the best act.

[Lizzy11268]

Well, she didnt get enough votes. No argueing with that.

[supergirlblibs]

Did you vote for her OP?

[pam.x]

Sure she didn't get enough votes, but that's where the judges are supposed to step in and stop real talent from slipping through the cracks. Think JLS last year, in the bottom 2, was saved, and now have a great career. The judges decision is basically a life line to the people in the competition who deserve to be there if their voting public haven't done enough for them that week.

[crazychris12]

Erm the pubic did decide. She got the least votes!!!

[Xee]

I'm willing to bet that none of the people who are moaning about her exit actually voted for her.

If they did, she'd still be in the competition.

It's like all those non-voters complaining about the BNP gaining seats on the European Parliament. You have the option to vote for a reason.

(Yes, I just compared John and Edward to the BNP... perhaps a bad comparison but I couldn't think of any other current affairs to relate to)

[Denise]

Her name is Sinitta.

This is getting ridiculous, thread after thread, after thread on here saying the same things.

Lucie was one of my favourites, she is gone. She most probably wouldn't have won anyway, she wasn't strong enough though had a really nice voice. She didn't do her sing off very well, she was too busy smiling and didn't put all in to save herself. The twins I really don't like but have to admit they really fought for their place, they didn't give up. I can't help feeling Lucie was a little too sure of herself, a dangerous thing.

If she does have what it takes to make it she will anyway as she has had a good airing on national TV. Any company that sees good potential will sign her up.

I will miss Lucie, but the show will go on. So will Simon.

[Lizzy11268]

Yep, I have checked, and she STILL got the least votes.

[neelia]

Originally Posted by crazychris12

Erm the pubic did decide. She got the least votes!!!

The very small section of the public that voted for the last two acts decided to a degree. If they knew that it was between the two of them, even this group may have acted differently.

[neelia]

Originally Posted by Xee

I'm willing to bet that none of the people who are moaning about her exit actually voted for her.

If they did, she'd still be in the competition.

It's like all those non-voters complaining about the BNP gaining seats on the European Parliament. You have the option to vote for a reason.

(Yes, I just compared John and Edward to the BNP... perhaps a bad comparison but I couldn't think of any other current affairs to relate to)

Why should I have voted for Lucie, she wasn't even in my top three. I am moaning about the notion that it is valid to have a judging system where it is considered ok for the result to depend on the order that the judges are asked for their judegment.

[Stuckinthe70's]

It didn't really bother me that Lucie was sent home, it annoyed me more the previous week with Rachel.

However, I don't think in a vote to save situation you can really say the public decides. Who goes home can only be said to be decided by the public if we were voting for our least favourite.

[Xee]

Originally Posted by neelia

Why should I have voted for Lucie, she wasn't even in my top three. I am moaning about the notion that it is valid to have a judging system where it is considered ok for the result to depend on the order that the judges are asked for their judegment.

So you're stipulating that if the judges were asked in a different order that Lucie would have stayed?

2 Votes against, 2 Votes for... there's only four judges so whichever way you work it out, it's still 2 votes each. Where did you learn maths?

[Lizzy11268]

It wasnt between the two of them though, it was between the 8 of them and Lucie polled the lowest number of votes.

Whether that was because she was only 2nd/3rd favourite of people, or they perceived her to be safe, doenst matter. Those facts can be true of any one of them that are left. In the end she got the least. So she went home because Simon either A) wanted John and Edward to stay B) Really couldnt be bothered either way because he wasnt that interested in either of them (my personal choice) or C) She just wasnt good enough or D) et al....you get the point.

The end result is the same. She's gone for better or worse. If you no longer have a favourite in the competition, thats a shame. But if you have, the best thing you can do for them, is carry on as usual and if you are a voter vote.

Anything else now is pointless and becoming quite dull.

[neelia]

Originally Posted by Xee

So you're stipulating that if the judges were asked in a different order that Lucie would have stayed?

2 Votes against, 2 Votes for... there's only four judges so whichever way you work it out, it's still 2 votes each. Where did you learn maths?

At university actually and as part of my research I developed a Theroem

Lets take this slowly.
Sinnitta said that Simon voted to take it to deadlock. If he had voted before Cheryl, he would have had to decide which act to vote for, not to take Cheryl's vote into account and vote tactically to go to deadlock.

[neelia]

Originally Posted by Lizzy11268

It wasnt between the two of them though, it was between the 8 of them and Lucie polled the lowest number of votes.

Whether that was because she was only 2nd/3rd favourite of people, or they perceived her to be safe, doenst matter. Those facts can be true of any one of them that are left. In the end she got the least. So she went home because Simon either A) wanted John and Edward to stay B) Really couldnt be bothered either way because he wasnt that interested in either of them (my personal choice) or C) She just wasnt good enough or D) et al....you get the point.

The end result is the same. She's gone for better or worse. If you no longer have a favourite in the competition, thats a shame. But if you have, the best thing you can do for them, is carry on as usual and if you are a voter vote.

Anything else now is pointless and becoming quite dull.

When people are talking about the public deciding those voted who voted for neither of them have made no indication of their perference.


Stop with that shite not having my favourite in. Lucie wasn't even in my top three! Some people are capable of considering the issue seperately from who they happen to be supporting.

The relative preference that the fans of the others have should matter if you are in any way interested in the notion of the least popular leaving. That is one of the reasons that a judges safety net is important, especially in the early stages where the votes are split over so many artists.

[cr120575]

Originally Posted by Xee

I'm willing to bet that none of the people who are moaning about her exit actually voted for her.

You would lose that bet.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by sley

just saw sunita on gmtv obviously sticking up for simon,saying that he did the right thing in letting the public decide.if there was NO sing off then yes then that would have been fair,but there was and lucy was the better singer.This is the reason people are angry.

I agree . . . .

The public decided on their performances on the Saturday, not on the 'sing off' on the Sunday.

The whole thing is a stitch up . . . it's a joke.

[Xee]

Originally Posted by neelia

At university actually and as part of my research I developed a Theroem

Lets take this slowly.
Sinnitta said that Simon voted to take it to deadlock. If he had voted before Cheryl, he would have had to decide which act to vote for, not to take Cheryl's vote into account and vote tactically to go to deadlock.

And you actually think that the judges hadn't pre-arranged to take the result to deadlock if John and Edward were in the bottom two?

It's a show, it's not the Olympics. The Voting isn't real, it's a façade to give people something to talk about, like the eleven trillion threads in this forum alone, on the same subject.

Controversy is good for Business, bad publicity is better than no publicity, and John and Edward were always going to stay in the competition, they keep the viewing figures up and they generate more revenue from advertisers, accept it and move on.

If you don't agree with the way the show is produced, then don't watch it.

[Lizzy11268]

Originally Posted by neelia

When people are talking about the public deciding those voted who voted for neither of them have made no indication of their perference.


Stop with that shite not having my favourite in. Lucie wasn't even in my top three! Some people are capable of considering the issue seperately from who they happen to be supporting.

The relative preference that the fans of the others have should matter if you are in any way interested in the notion of the least popular leaving. That is one of the reasons that a judges safety net is important, especially in the early stages where the votes are split over so many artists.

I do understand the point of the judges vote - but I also understand that on any given day, we don't know which way they are going to jump!

And I am willing to accept that you can see the bigger picture and consider the issue separately, thats fine. Not only fine, but good - its just that I am personally not that bothered.

But my final point still stands - however it happened it is now over. We can, and I imagine we will, keep talking about it, but it is now pointless beyond the confines of the debate. Nothing is going to change.

The only thing now is to decide as individuals what we are going to do now. A lot of scenario's have been discussed in other threads. Carry on voting (if you are a voter) for your favourite? Stop voting altogether? Stop watching altogether? Vote for anyone but Simon's acts to"teach him a lesson?" (Childish) Vote for Stacey because you feel Dannii is being mistreated? (again, not the other acts fault and Stacey should and could win it on her own merits, which I am sure she would prefer)

I think thats most of them so far.

Thats the stage I feel we are at now, anyway.

[mitacond]

So who should have gone?


Why should they have gone?

[KatrinaK]

Originally Posted by neelia

Stop with that shite not having my favourite in. Lucie wasn't even in my top three! Some people are capable of considering the issue seperately from who they happen to be supporting.

Exactly, you don't need to be a fan of Lucie to see what a awful result it was.

And I agree with the OP. While the public could have voted more for Lucie, we weren't voting for Lucie vs Edward. We were voting Lucie vs the rest of the contestants. I can imagine Lucie being a 3rd favourite for some but ultimately, people are going to vote for their favourites. Nevertheless, I'm certain that had the public been given the choice between Jedward and Lucie to stay, Lucie would have won that one hands down.

At the end of the day, what is the point of the sing of, if it's just down the public vote? Honestly, I can understand this argument if it were solely down to the public every week but it's not, is it? The sing-off creation was introduced purely to avoid a superior vocalist leaving over a weaker one. There is a reason why ALL the power is not left to the public. We’re simply not to be trusted and Sunday night proved that. We have faith in the judges, the so called 'music experts' to do the right thing, if there ever came a choice but they didn't. Correction - Simon didn't; the judge who spouts about being fair, impartial and objective. He has lost all of his credibility after his farce of a decision on Sunday. Nothing, absolutely nothing, he says now will be taken seriously by the viewing public. He can kiss any respect that people had for him goodbye. He’s right there will Louis now for being the most inconsistent and contradictory judge on the panel.

To say the public are to blame for this one is ludicrous. Fair dues we're not totally blameless. I’ll admit that. More votes would have secured Lucie's safety but if it wasn't Lucie, it would have been someone else. Sunday night totally and utterly defeated the purpose of the sing-off. It became totally futile. It may as well be scrapped now because it’s obviously not being utilised.

[bluerose15]

Sorry the public did decide...
MORE PEOPLE VOTED FOR THE TWINS AND LESS PEOPLE VOTED FOR LUCIE.

[eurlia30]

ive always felt that it should just be the public vote as there is a competition between the judges and there never going to be impartial while that is the case