[Kablamo]

I read some threads after Lucie's exit on Sunday and they were all in support of Dannii and how she responded to Simon.

But does everyone believe that her responses are true or is there anybody else like me out there who believes, she knew she had to leave, she knew that John and Edward would go first and it's all an act for Dannii and even Cheryl and Louis.

Do people actually believe Dannii is for real or not?

I really found her quite chilling on Sunday. She acted as though Simon did it all and nobody else but are we supposed to believe, the producers and all the other companies involved in the X Factor don't have a say in the publicity and then, the money from the publicity that it brings? Is Dannii just there to play a role or do you, like me, believe she knows very well she's just there as a bit of fluff, taking up the role, the position as a judge, knowing all too well she will orchestrate the downfall of the people she pretends to be in charge of?

I remember speaking to a producer about a reality TV show and what she said came out true for me when I saw Dannii and Kylie talking during the judges houses of the different faces they have. The "this contestant could be good" face, the "I am not too sure about this contestant" face and so on. I was basically told that they are versed to have a certain face prepared for camera as guided by the producer on the day.

[Lizzy11268]

I think with Dannii, you pretty much get what you see. She was gutted for Lucie on Sunday, and may have overreacted in the short term, but I imagine at this stage she is focused on moving Stacey forward.

I expect she plays her part to a certain extent as they all do, but her concern and her support of the acts she is mentoring is completely above board.

[weeesel]

Depends against whom she is being compared. Against anyone else on that panel, you'd have to say no, she isn;t a two faced fake. Against Nelson Mandela, possible less of a case can be made for her not being in some way fake.

[Kablamo]

Originally Posted by Lizzy11268

I think with Dannii, you pretty much get what you see. She was gutted for Lucie on Sunday, and may have overreacted in the short term, but I imagine at this stage she is focused on moving Stacey forward.

I expect she plays her part to a certain extent as they all do, but her concern and her support of the acts she is mentoring is completely above board.

So you really believe they have an impact on their contestants and that all the millions invested by all interested parties is just irrelevant?

[Lizzy11268]

Originally Posted by Kablamo

So you really believe they have an impact on their contestants and that all the millions invested by all interested parties is just irrelevant?

No of course not. But Dannii can still actually have real feelings and I believe she DOES care about them, and will do her very best to do right for them within the confines of all the rest.

[Darcyprincess]

Originally Posted by Kablamo

I read some threads after Lucie's exit on Sunday and they were all in support of Dannii and how she responded to Simon.

But does everyone believe that her responses are true or is there anybody else like me out there who believes, she knew she had to leave, she knew that John and Edward would go first and it's all an act for Dannii and even Cheryl and Louis.

Do people actually believe Dannii is for real or not?

I really found her quite chilling on Sunday. She acted as though Simon did it all and nobody else but are we supposed to believe, the producers and all the other companies involved in the X Factor don't have a say in the publicity and then, the money from the publicity that it brings? Is Dannii just there to play a role or do you, like me, believe she knows very well she's just there as a bit of fluff, taking up the role, the position as a judge, knowing all too well she will orchestrate the downfall of the people she pretends to be in charge of?

I remember speaking to a producer about a reality TV show and what she said came out true for me when I saw Dannii and Kylie talking during the judges houses of the different faces they have. The "this contestant could be good" face, the "I am not too sure about this contestant" face and so on. I was basically told that they are versed to have a certain face prepared for camera as guided by the producer on the day.

Well in the past I have always been convinced that both Dannii and Cheryl are for real and that they both really care about their acts but after Sunday I am not so sure. I am wondering now whether it is just all a big soap act!

If anybody has got the Sunday night recorded, go back and look at Louis' face when it comes back from the adverts before the bottom two done the sing off! Louis has a smile on his face and is looking very smug! He is also writing something on a piece of paper but his face says it all really! That the twins are not going anywhere. Other times Louis has looked really worried when one of his acts are in the bottom two, but not this time!

If it is true that Simon spoke to the producer in the ad break, then it is all a set up and they knew that Lucie had the least votes!

I think that the whole show has become a big con and that we are wasting our money voting!

It has been said on the news site on here that Dannii has not spoken to Simon since Sunday night, but even that could be a scam! I have honestly lost all faith in the show now and I am really disappointed!

By the way, just read on the news page that Dannii has confirmed on Twitter that she is talking to Simon and spoke to him on the phone yesterday!

It also mentions about her moving seats on Sunday night and done so without Simons permission. This is probably also just hype to keep all the attention on X factor and to keep viewers watching to see if there is animosity with the judges! The whole thing is completely for publicity and nothing more!

FAKE, FAKE, FAKE! Sick of it all now!

[isayfaster]

I don't agree with singling out Dannii over the other judges, but I think what you are saying about the involvement of the producers is very possible. They aren't interested in a female winner this year, so it is clear that they are treated unfavourably.

Also, the producers and Simon seemed biased against the females in his category at the Judge's Houses. I thought Treyc was the best female singer on the show, but behaviours like the facial expressions you mention may have been used against her. If so, they jarred with her performances because Simon seemed to have a confusingly low opinion of her. Nicole was very good too, but I understood that decision because she wasn't commercial.

I would be surprised if you are right and the judges are acting all the time. I think it is too cynical to think the entire show is scripted. Some of it sure, but not all of it. Dannii was on Home and Away, not exactly Oscar winning, and the other three aren't known for acting either so I doubt they could pull it off. Plus they wouldn't agree to the parts that make them look bad - Louis' childish moments, Dannii's comment to Danyl, Cheryl's moaning - these seem spontaneous.

And I think good on Dannii for blaming Simon, it's his show, I doubt the producers would force him into doing anything he didn't want to, I think it was his fault. He doesn't care about any act that isn't his own, and he doesn't care about the credibility of the show. I think he just wants to win, and he wants a male act to win and be successful to rival Leona and Alexandra.

The producers might want a male act to win too, but if they did make Simon take it to deadlock to get rid of Lucie then they're playing a risky game with the credibility of the show. I doubt they're in control of absolutely everything; do you think they told Sharon Osbourne to get drunk for the Xtra Factor that time in Series 3? :P

[Jak14]

Originally Posted by Darcyprincess

Well in the past I have always been convinced that both Dannii and Cheryl are for real and that they both really care about their acts but after Sunday I am not so sure. I am wondering now whether it is just all a big soap act!

If anybody has got the Sunday night recorded, go back and look at Louis' face when it comes back from the adverts before the bottom two done the sing off! Louis has a smile on his face and is looking very smug! He is also writing something on a piece of paper but his face says it all really! That the twins are not going anywhere. Other times Louis has looked really worried when one of his acts are in the bottom two, but not this time!

If it is true that Simon spoke to the producer in the ad break, then it is all a set up and they knew that Lucie had the least votes!

I think that the whole show has become a big con and that we are wasting our money voting!

It has been said on the news site on here that Dannii has not spoken to Simon since Sunday night, but even that could be a scam! I have honestly lost all faith in the show now and I am really disappointed!

Dannii is part of X factor, if she can drum up some publicity I'm sure she knows that will please the people at the top, however I do believe she was upset to see Lucy leave over the twins, and maybe she was a little shocked at Simon's decision to not judge them solely on their singing ability.

Simon and those around him made a big mistake by allowing him to be so brutal with his comments about John and Edward, then cop out when he had the chance to kick them out, we the viewers thought he had been waiting for this chance since X factor started, now we know it was all rubbish, anything he says from now on will go over our heads.
I used to think he was the most honest judge on X factor and although some of his comments were brutal he was usually right. Simon seemed to think it was a joke to have John and Edward in a singing contest, now he has become the biggest joke.

[Broxbourne]

Of course it's all fake!

As I mentioned elsewhere X factor the series is no different to TV shows like Columbo or reality shows like Ramsays Kitchens..

they all follow a well trodden path. In every Columbo you got the part where the guilty person was "helping" the detective. In Ramsays kitchens there's the bit where you see the staff having a row and you think "ooh is it going to work".

It's all just formulated stuff. I don't blame people for enjoying it, but I can't understand those who take it seriously!

[RichN95]

Originally Posted by isayfaster

Dannii was on Home and Away, not exactly Oscar winning

So were Heath Ledger, Naomi Watts, Guy Pearce and Isla Fisher. Just because your on a bad show, doesn't necessarily mean you're a bad actor.

However, I think she's pretty genuine but professional enough to put her feelings aside and get on with it.

[bridgerton]

There is an element of fakeness (if that's even a word!!) to each judge. It's the nature of being on television - they each have their parts to play. If I had to pick one who is most fake I would say Cheryl more than the others. But by and large, I think they are pretty much what we see. Louis most days is like an overgrown kid, Dannii is reserved but mostly honest, Cheryl is most concerned with Joe and doesn't care who knows it and Simon is arrogant, egotistical but he is what he is.

[iluvdannii]

Originally Posted by bridgerton

Simon is arrogant, egotistical but he is what he is.

Lololol

[iluvdannii]

I think that if Dannii were not on the show it would be completely fake!!! in other words I dnt think she is!!

[Old.Tallen]

Originally Posted by Kablamo

I read some threads after Lucie's exit on Sunday and they were all in support of Dannii and how she responded to Simon.

But does everyone believe that her responses are true or is there anybody else like me out there who believes, she knew she had to leave, she knew that John and Edward would go first and it's all an act for Dannii and even Cheryl and Louis.

Do people actually believe Dannii is for real or not?

I really found her quite chilling on Sunday. She acted as though Simon did it all and nobody else but are we supposed to believe, the producers and all the other companies involved in the X Factor don't have a say in the publicity and then, the money from the publicity that it brings? Is Dannii just there to play a role or do you, like me, believe she knows very well she's just there as a bit of fluff, taking up the role, the position as a judge, knowing all too well she will orchestrate the downfall of the people she pretends to be in charge of?

I remember speaking to a producer about a reality TV show and what she said came out true for me when I saw Dannii and Kylie talking during the judges houses of the different faces they have. The "this contestant could be good" face, the "I am not too sure about this contestant" face and so on. I was basically told that they are versed to have a certain face prepared for camera as guided by the producer on the day.

If this is true of Danni, it is equally true of the other judges.

[Old.Tallen]

Originally Posted by RichN95

So were Heath Ledger, Naomi Watts, Guy Pearce and Isla Fisher. Just because your on a bad show, doesn't necessarily mean you're a bad actor.

However, I think she's pretty genuine but professional enough to put her feelings aside and get on with it.

I thought Guy Pearce was in Neighbours?

[RichN95]

Originally Posted by Old.Tallen

I thought Guy Pearce was in Neighbours?

He did both of them - Neighbours first though.

[sHAYneWARD]

Originally Posted by RichN95

So were Heath Ledger, Naomi Watts, Guy Pearce and Isla Fisher.

And Melissa George.

[ValLambert]

I think Danni's pretty much a heart on her sleeve gal. I think she says what she thinks. Maybe because she's realised that she's not the Golden One anymore and has nothing to lose.

[noorani]

I'm still puzzled why Dannii's hair was dyed the same colour as Lucie's on Sunday, and was a similar style to Rachel's the night of her sing off. As much as I think Dannii is great, I think she knew.

[jodiemg :)]

Dannii is a good judge - she is nice and gives constructive advice for the contestants to work on.

Louis is just stupid, has anyone noticed that not one week has he said anything about the SINGING in Jedwards performance.

Cheryl is okay, but i do think she favours Joe over Lloyd.

Simon just likes his own acts, and doesnt care about the others! I think he knew Lucie would be out on Sundays show, if he gets rid of all the good singers in the competition, and leaves his acts vs. Jedward, he knows he's gonna win!

[marianner]

What you see is what you get with her.

She's not nice in that way that you can run her over, because she is very determined.
But she's nice to people and she's honest which I really respect and admire.

[ribtickle]

Whether the show itself is fake is one thing, but I have never been able to warm to Dannii Minogue because my intuition tells me she is a frosty ice maiden beneath the front she puts out of being a caring judge. Beneath the plastered and tussled exterior will lie a ruthless competitor, and one not averse to using tears to get her way with men.

There has to be a reason why four judges have not really bonded with her, and you occasionally read things in the press which suggest she is not quite what she seems - it was there too in the clip last week where she walked back to the dressing rooms with Louis and she made a snide remark about the twins before flouncing into her room.

At the end of the day it's hard to take someone seriously who looks like she's spent all week perfecting her look and who speaks with such a whiney voice.

[marianner]

What has she done that's so cold?
And do you really believe what's written in the press?

[Unigal07]

She's honest, genuine and professional. I don't see Dannii as fake at all, but I see the show as one big scripted, staged, manipulation. Doesn't stop me watching it though, though I'm enjoying it less and less each week.

[spsun100001]

Well, acts that she has mentored always seem to speak highly of her (which has not always been the case for Simon and Louis) so that's probably a reasonable testament.