Up All Night 5-Live - Radio

big-mike · 24-02-2006, 12:18

Listening to Up All Night at 3.45 this morning, Once again I was reminded of the question:

Why on earth do they persist in letting Dotun Adebayo present this programme?

Firstly, I have to admit, who ever was producing last night was also at fault, as they let the guest on air.

The item was a report on a fire in a factory in India.

Dotun then introduced a Guy from India, who obviously spoke very little English, and proceed to ask him questions he clearly could not understand.

Did that put Dotun off? Of Course not - on he went asking even more and more questions they guy clearly did not understand!

This went on for a good 5 minutes!

Have a Listen for yourself & decide:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/progra...allnight.shtml

And if you are a producer at 5 Live, can I ask what it is that Dotun has on you? 'cos he obviously has something on someone, as he would not be aloud to carry on with this incompitance elsewhere.

24-02-2006, 17:09

The reason I stopped listening to "Up All Night" was soley due to that Dotun character.I was hoping that if I gave the programme a 6 month break then he may have disappeared.Sadly he hasn't (mind you,some people wish the same about me!!)
Apart from him,the programme is excellent.

Mike West · 24-02-2006, 17:23

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Originally Posted by big-mike

And if you are a producer at 5 Live, can I ask what it is that Dotun has on you? 'cos he obviously has something on someone, as he would not be aloud to carry on with this incompitance elsewhere.

....For a man who sounds like he is constantly straining to have a dump, he sounds like he should be presenting the Ministry of Sound or a Disco down the local pub. Definately not suitable as a talk show presenter IMO. He definately struggles. Not heard him for ages thought the BBC would have got rid of him long ago but there you go.

Ads · 24-02-2006, 21:33

I can only assume Doton is there to please the ethnic diversity officer at 5live, because he has zero broadcasting talent.

big-mike · 24-02-2006, 23:24

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Originally Posted by The Severn Bore

Apart from him,the programme is excellent.

Never a Truer word spoken - they have got another new guy on now - and he is ok, settling in nice (Not as good good as the old Rhodster, (Rhod Sharp)but you can't have it all)

I say we start the bring back Richard Dallyn campaign now!! - What ever happened to him??? Has Dotun got him tied up in his cellar??

Soupytwist · 25-02-2006, 00:14

And that Esther woman on a sunday isn't much better. I used to love to listen to the world football phone in. But its just ruined by how unprofessional he is. They have had a couple of decent sit ins over the last few months. Russell Fuller was good and Dalia Raphelle(forgive the spelling) was good as well. And when I have had the misfortune to wake up and catch Brief Lives(or Dead this week as me and my brother call it) he just sounds so wrong doing a programme like that.

Mike West · 25-02-2006, 03:02

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Originally Posted by Ads

I can only assume Doton is there to please the ethnic diversity officer at 5live, because he has zero broadcasting talent.

Some people won't like hearing that but I'm afraid you probably nearer the truth than you think you are. How anyone can say this man has an ounce (sorry un pc, a gram) of talent must be off their rocker or very easily pleased.

marshmallows · 25-02-2006, 05:47

Does anyone know what happened to Rhod Sharp by the way? He was the main reason I got into the show, and the stuff he did on Up All Night was some of the best radio journalism I've ever heard, entertaining and humorous but intelligent and interesting too. The range of subjects he covered was huge, but if a major event happened (the coverage of Sept 11th was probably Rhod's finest hour, he even abandoned his holiday in order to cover it) they would get really deep into it.

Up All Night also seemed to be the only programme which actually used a chance to go abroad fully, they did a show from Cuba once and it really did feel like you were there with them because they interviewed locals and got the atmosphere across very well. Usually I hate it when radio stations do shows abroad because they're practically identical to a normal show except the presenters keep showing off about the free holiday they got, but this was different.

Rhod also knew how to interview people, exactly what tone to take, and seemed to genuinely care about people's answers instead of just going through the motions. This is what annoys me about mainstream shows such as the Today Programme, the presenters don't seem to want to discuss anything, they just put questions to guests with very fake zeal and seem more interested in their own voices.

jaybs · 25-02-2006, 07:07

Just finished listening the early Saturday morning programme with Dotun, and it does not get any better, in fact worse, when will the BBC wake up and take notice of what listeners are saying? - I did this shift on radio and I just hope I never sounded like he does in the last hour or in fact any hour of the show.

Somehow I think we are fighting a losing battle

big-mike · 25-02-2006, 08:21

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Originally Posted by marshmallows

Does anyone know what happened to Rhod Sharp by the way?

Thankfully Rhod is still there but only 2 nights a week, but is off this week...

Shall I start getting the plackards ready so we can march on Broadcasting House or TV Centre to 'Bring Back Richard Dallyn to up all night?'

R300 · 25-02-2006, 14:01

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Originally Posted by marshmallows

Up All Night also seemed to be the only programme which actually used a chance to go abroad fully, they did a show from Cuba once and it really did feel like you were there with them because they interviewed locals and got the atmosphere across very well.

I remember those shows, quite a few years ago now though. I seem to remember Rhod or Richard broadcasting from their hotel and describing the view so well, it was better that any photo could have. Dotun though - what's the point. There are complaints on every media forum you care to look at about this guy - but he's still there

diablo · 25-02-2006, 14:19

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Originally Posted by big-mike

Thankfully Rhod is still there but only 2 nights a week, but is off this week...
'

Rhod is scheduled to do three shows in the coming week.
I was a bit worried by the suggestion that he'd gone.

boring name · 25-02-2006, 15:30

Totally agree on the Dotun points- Thursday and Friday are significantly weaker than the other nights of the show.

Rhod the consumate pro normally does Monday and Tuesday nights (but you can't miss his extra shows live from the US when anything interesting is going on).

I'm also not a fan of the rather fake Esther Armar who seems to have taken over the Saturday and Sunday night slots- she just doesn't know a lot about anything, and tends to forget what the interviewee has just said and so repeats a question. Really poor journalism.

The amazing thing is that the current stand-in guy (he's called something like Safras) is actually quite good- he should replace Dotun (or at least Armah).

Better than that- make Rhod work 7 nights a week!!

big-mike · 25-02-2006, 19:05

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Originally Posted by boring name

The amazing thing is that the current stand-in guy (he's called something like Safras) is actually quite good- he should replace Dotun.

I totally agree ! I have also heard Russel Fuller on UAN and he sounds good too.

The question is with all these good people waiting in the wings - why do we have Dotun on the stage at all ???

5 Live bosses - over to you....

emma195 · 25-02-2006, 19:37

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Originally Posted by boring name

Totally agree on the Dotun points- Thursday and Friday are significantly weaker than the other nights of the show.

Rhod the consumate pro normally does Monday and Tuesday nights (but you can't miss his extra shows live from the US when anything interesting is going on).

I'm also not a fan of the rather fake Esther Armar who seems to have taken over the Saturday and Sunday night slots- she just doesn't know a lot about anything, and tends to forget what the interviewee has just said and so repeats a question. Really poor journalism.

The amazing thing is that the current stand-in guy (he's called something like Safras) is actually quite good- he should replace Dotun (or at least Armah).

Better than that- make Rhod work 7 nights a week!!

i quite enjoy ,the movie phone -in on sun morns , {sorry cant remember guys name} but feel that ester armar is so bossy, interrupting and hurrying on the callers and interrupting her guest.,its become cringeworthy

marshmallows · 25-02-2006, 19:57

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Originally Posted by big-mike

Thankfully Rhod is still there but only 2 nights a week, but is off this week...

Why is it that every time I've ever tuned in, he's never ever been on? Weird... It's really annoying because I only really got into the show because of Rhod.

Another legendary series of shows was the "dream team" of Rhod in London and Richard (I think?) in Sydney for the Olympics in 2000. Rhod did the newsy stuff, while Richard handled the sports, and it worked really well. I guess the budget probably doesn't stretch to having two presenters at that time of night though, they only got the Olympic coverage because of the horrific time difference between Australia and the UK.

The bit that sticks out in my mind was when one of the lesser presenters announced he was going to be doing radio commentary on the high diving, and Richard very VERY cynically replied "What do you do... just shout 'And they're in!'?"

Oh wait, another good bit comes back to me, from a completely different period: Richard spoke to a reporter at the premier of Queen: The Musical, which was partly funded by DeNiro. The conversation went:

Richard: "So, what's Robert DeNiro doing?"
Reporter: "Well, he's waiting...!"
Richard: (pause)
Richard: (annoyed sigh)

big-mike · 25-02-2006, 20:15

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Originally Posted by marshmallows

I guess the budget probably doesn't stretch to having two presenters at that time of night though

Don't even think it! - Knowing how the BBC work, instead of the 'Dream Team' of Rhod Sharp & Richard Dallyn, we would end up with the 'Nightmare Team' of Dotun Adebayo & Esther Armar !

Do sleep well - let's hope we don't get Nightmares....

boring name · 25-02-2006, 20:16

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Originally Posted by emma195

i quite enjoy ,the movie phone -in on sun morns , {sorry cant remember guys name} but feel that ester armar is so bossy, interrupting and hurrying on the callers and interrupting her guest.,its become cringeworthy

Dave Aldridge- yes he's not bad, and it can sometimes be a moderately entertaining segment.

Shame he rarely chooses to actually talk about current cinema releases (unlike the unmissable Kermode/Mayo duo) but instead panders favourably whatever freebies he's managed to get from the dvd distributors.

It's not a bad segment (worsened significantly by Ester Armah who blatently knows very little about film), but the 'cheapness' of Aldridge's plugging rubbish films just cos he's got them to give away, coupled with the rather sad desperation of callers to please him in order to win said dvds, holds back what could be a really good part of UAN.

I remember the days when Anita Anand used to the slot with Dave Aldridge- now that girl knows her films (and is a damn fine presenter, as shown by her performance on her own show since graduating from UAN)- it made the phone-in work. With Ester Armah, it's just not quite there- she's just too annoying.

fdp · 25-02-2006, 21:07

I think we all know by now that with Auntie becoming more deperate by the day to be 'inclusive' and 'diverse', one could be forgiven for thinking that positive discrimination is all but corporation policy. As with so many areas of the Beeb's activity nowadays, the need to be seen to be 'relevant' to what they think is modern Britain does, in places, exceed any traditional consideration such as skill, flair or talent (no I've never applied to work for them).

Dottun Adebayo's not alone, another example on Five Live I noticed over the last week, seemimgly all of the daytime sports bulletins were been voiced by a giggly female who sounds not much older than 14 and with the ability one would normally expect of a fourteen year old - but hey - she's a girly, so the Beeb can't be accused of hiring some old fashioned male sports hack just becasue he's a guy. And just to prove it they do the opposite.....

I've absolutely no objection to anyone of any type being hired for any gig by the Beeb - provided that they're not selected in favour of other more worthy candidates only to help prove Auntie's Guardianesque credentials and in turn their claim for continued tax funding. Undoubtedly they have some fine area's R4 being an absolute world beating gem for example, but as a corporate body they need to get out more. London, and in particular North London may feel like the only home imaginable for so many of the Beeb's people, but by deluding themselves that it's representative of Britain as a whole, they only demonstrate how anachronistic the corporation's privileged position as a U.K. broadacster has become. Funny how 'Women's Hour', 1 Extra and 'The Asian Network can all exist but it's too risky having another male read the sport on Five Live.....

FAYMONDO · 25-02-2006, 23:13

Rhod and Richard was the reason I got into UAN.

Please dont shoot me down but I feel this slot is the chance for the BBC to get their quota up on equal opps grounds.

Or it could be a simple case of the people employed now are not good enough.

Let the debate commence.

fdp · 25-02-2006, 23:38

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Originally Posted by FAYMONDO

into UAN.

Please dont shoot me down but I feel this slot is the chance for the BBC to get their quota up on equal opps grounds.

Let the debate commence.

By definition, any positive discrimination - official or not - means that the opportunities are anything but equal, other than in the Animal Farm sense.

R300 · 26-02-2006, 00:18

As mentioned earlier, Dotun has also ruined the Brief Lives show. That used to be a 'must listen' for me in the days when it was repeated on a Sunday evening. Can't remember the presenters name back then (1999 ish), but he was a damn sight more professional than Dotun will ever be.

emma195 · 26-02-2006, 01:14

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Originally Posted by boring name

Dave Aldridge- yes he's not bad, and it can sometimes be a moderately entertaining segment.

Shame he rarely chooses to actually talk about current cinema releases (unlike the unmissable Kermode/Mayo duo) but instead panders favourably whatever freebies he's managed to get from the dvd distributors.

It's not a bad segment (worsened significantly by Ester Armah who blatently knows very little about film), but the 'cheapness' of Aldridge's plugging rubbish films just cos he's got them to give away, coupled with the rather sad desperation of callers to please him in order to win said dvds, holds back what could be a really good part of UAN.

I remember the days when Anita Anand used to the slot with Dave Aldridge- now that girl knows her films (and is a damn fine presenter, as shown by her performance on her own show since graduating from UAN)- it made the phone-in work. With Ester Armah, it's just not quite there- she's just too annoying.

thanks for that ,put much more elequently than myself ,and yes your right, he doesent mention cuurent films .
other than that i find it quite relaxing listening and still a reasonably good listen.

big-mike · 26-02-2006, 07:47

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Originally Posted by R300

As mentioned earlier, Dotun has also ruined the Brief Lives show. That used to be a 'must listen' for me in the days when it was repeated on a Sunday evening. Can't remember the presenters name back then (1999 ish), but he was a damn sight more professional than Dotun will ever be.

The guy who used to do Breif Lives was the same guy that did Morning Reports... I am now of the same opinion of you, I now just can't stand it, and that was as you say a 'must listen' programme

Akilduff · 26-02-2006, 14:57

What actually did happen to Richard Dallyn... I remmeber when he and Rhod used to present the overnight Australian Open coverage from Melbourne... it was dazzling!

24-02-2006, 12:18	#1
big-mike Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 100	Up All Night 5-Live Listening to Up All Night at 3.45 this morning, Once again I was reminded of the question: Why on earth do they persist in letting Dotun Adebayo present this programme? Firstly, I have to admit, who ever was producing last night was also at fault, as they let the guest on air. The item was a report on a fire in a factory in India. Dotun then introduced a Guy from India, who obviously spoke very little English, and proceed to ask him questions he clearly could not understand. Did that put Dotun off? Of Course not - on he went asking even more and more questions they guy clearly did not understand! This went on for a good 5 minutes! Have a Listen for yourself & decide: http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/progra...allnight.shtml And if you are a producer at 5 Live, can I ask what it is that Dotun has on you? 'cos he obviously has something on someone, as he would not be aloud to carry on with this incompitance elsewhere.

25-02-2006, 21:07	#19
fdp Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 471	Awful night I think we all know by now that with Auntie becoming more deperate by the day to be 'inclusive' and 'diverse', one could be forgiven for thinking that positive discrimination is all but corporation policy. As with so many areas of the Beeb's activity nowadays, the need to be seen to be 'relevant' to what they think is modern Britain does, in places, exceed any traditional consideration such as skill, flair or talent (no I've never applied to work for them). Dottun Adebayo's not alone, another example on Five Live I noticed over the last week, seemimgly all of the daytime sports bulletins were been voiced by a giggly female who sounds not much older than 14 and with the ability one would normally expect of a fourteen year old - but hey - she's a girly, so the Beeb can't be accused of hiring some old fashioned male sports hack just becasue he's a guy. And just to prove it they do the opposite..... I've absolutely no objection to anyone of any type being hired for any gig by the Beeb - provided that they're not selected in favour of other more worthy candidates only to help prove Auntie's Guardianesque credentials and in turn their claim for continued tax funding. Undoubtedly they have some fine area's R4 being an absolute world beating gem for example, but as a corporate body they need to get out more. London, and in particular North London may feel like the only home imaginable for so many of the Beeb's people, but by deluding themselves that it's representative of Britain as a whole, they only demonstrate how anachronistic the corporation's privileged position as a U.K. broadacster has become. Funny how 'Women's Hour', 1 Extra and 'The Asian Network can all exist but it's too risky having another male read the sport on Five Live.....

24-02-2006, 17:09	#2
The Severn Bore Posts: n/a	The reason I stopped listening to "Up All Night" was soley due to that Dotun character.I was hoping that if I gave the programme a 6 month break then he may have disappeared.Sadly he hasn't (mind you,some people wish the same about me!!) Apart from him,the programme is excellent.

24-02-2006, 21:33	#4
Ads Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Pimlico, central London, UK Posts: 4,847	I can only assume Doton is there to please the ethnic diversity officer at 5live, because he has zero broadcasting talent.

25-02-2006, 00:14	#6
Soupytwist Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Exeter Services: Sky Pannny Digibox, Digiquest 8000 HSCI, 13e and 19e, BT broadband, Wangbox Posts: 160	And that Esther woman on a sunday isn't much better. I used to love to listen to the world football phone in. But its just ruined by how unprofessional he is. They have had a couple of decent sit ins over the last few months. Russell Fuller was good and Dalia Raphelle(forgive the spelling) was good as well. And when I have had the misfortune to wake up and catch Brief Lives(or Dead this week as me and my brother call it) he just sounds so wrong doing a programme like that.

25-02-2006, 05:47	#8
marshmallows Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,324	Does anyone know what happened to Rhod Sharp by the way? He was the main reason I got into the show, and the stuff he did on Up All Night was some of the best radio journalism I've ever heard, entertaining and humorous but intelligent and interesting too. The range of subjects he covered was huge, but if a major event happened (the coverage of Sept 11th was probably Rhod's finest hour, he even abandoned his holiday in order to cover it) they would get really deep into it. Up All Night also seemed to be the only programme which actually used a chance to go abroad fully, they did a show from Cuba once and it really did feel like you were there with them because they interviewed locals and got the atmosphere across very well. Usually I hate it when radio stations do shows abroad because they're practically identical to a normal show except the presenters keep showing off about the free holiday they got, but this was different. Rhod also knew how to interview people, exactly what tone to take, and seemed to genuinely care about people's answers instead of just going through the motions. This is what annoys me about mainstream shows such as the Today Programme, the presenters don't seem to want to discuss anything, they just put questions to guests with very fake zeal and seem more interested in their own voices.

25-02-2006, 07:07	#9
jaybs Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: North West England Services: Freeview Digital, FM, LW, SW, AM and DAB Posts: 2,133	Just finished listening the early Saturday morning programme with Dotun, and it does not get any better, in fact worse, when will the BBC wake up and take notice of what listeners are saying? - I did this shift on radio and I just hope I never sounded like he does in the last hour or in fact any hour of the show. Somehow I think we are fighting a losing battle

25-02-2006, 15:30	#13
boring name Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 535	Totally agree on the Dotun points- Thursday and Friday are significantly weaker than the other nights of the show. Rhod the consumate pro normally does Monday and Tuesday nights (but you can't miss his extra shows live from the US when anything interesting is going on). I'm also not a fan of the rather fake Esther Armar who seems to have taken over the Saturday and Sunday night slots- she just doesn't know a lot about anything, and tends to forget what the interviewee has just said and so repeats a question. Really poor journalism. The amazing thing is that the current stand-in guy (he's called something like Safras) is actually quite good- he should replace Dotun (or at least Armah). Better than that- make Rhod work 7 nights a week!!

25-02-2006, 23:13	#20
FAYMONDO Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Services: Sky HD ,Freeview , AOL 8mb , Iphone , xbox 360 ,Wii Posts: 576	Rhod and Richard was the reason I got into UAN. Please dont shoot me down but I feel this slot is the chance for the BBC to get their quota up on equal opps grounds. Or it could be a simple case of the people employed now are not good enough. Let the debate commence.

26-02-2006, 00:18	#22
R300 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scunthorpe Services: Virgin TV and 10mb Broadband also Virgin phone Posts: 2,006	As mentioned earlier, Dotun has also ruined the Brief Lives show. That used to be a 'must listen' for me in the days when it was repeated on a Sunday evening. Can't remember the presenters name back then (1999 ish), but he was a damn sight more professional than Dotun will ever be.

26-02-2006, 14:57	#25
Akilduff Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,523	What actually did happen to Richard Dallyn... I remmeber when he and Rhod used to present the overnight Australian Open coverage from Melbourne... it was dazzling!