[Dictamus]

Lots of feminists see porn as a very big issue as do a lot of women - especially when their partners are spending hours on the internet looking at it. That Wikipedia article is incorrect but a lot of Wikipedia articles get edited by the pro-porn lobby. They don't want to lose their masturbation material.

People who use porn are immoral. Sexually objectifying and sexually degrading another human being is wrong. All this stuff about how women "choose" to be in porn is nonsense, what about the people who choose to get their kicks out of someone being used and degraded?

Would any of the women here want to have done to them what was done to Lea in that porn video? (I haven't looked but I can imagine).

[_drak]

I find enemies of freedom immoral.

[kimindex]

Freedoms are qualified, though, like freedom of expression is qualified by race hate laws, defamation laws, blasphemy laws etc.

[elena]

Do I think porn is immoral? No, not at all. Some say the child may get bullied at school because of his mother's occupation, but children get bullied at school for a wide variety of things, sometimes over the relatively normal occupations of their parents, their lack of money, or whatever. No reason to single porn out, although, yes, I think there is a large element of society who think it is distasteful and degrading and akin to prostitution.

I think it's about time we stopped being so damn prudish (of course, this is Britain, so that probably won't happen, but there you go) about the porn industry. Although I've no doubt that it still exploits some women, I think that's much less so than previously (although I admit I'm not an expert ) and with society being more mobile there's a lot of women nowadays who will go into it because they want to. I suppose you're grappling with the big issue of whether sex should be a bit of fun or a rather serious, loving act. I'd say it would depend on the context, and that porn is all about the former and as such is in context. Not sure how I feel about Lea and her child, though. I don't think we can judge because we really don't know her situation at home.

[_drak]

Laws which negate freedom even further. Unsuprising really, coming from the 'you're free to do as we tell you' socialist lobby.

[froglet]

Originally Posted by _drak

I find enemies of freedom immoral.

Combining freedom and a sense of responsibility to others around you can be a very hard act to manage. What we do has an impact on others, and if we act without taking that into account we may be at fault.

Actions have consequences and if you act you must be prepared to face those consequences.

[_drak]

Originally Posted by froglet

Combining freedom and a sense of responsibility to others around you can be a very hard act to manage. What we do has an impact on others, and if we act without taking that into account we may be at fault.

Actions have consequences and if you act you must be prepared to face those consequences.

I agree with your point, people have a choice and can not be exempted from the consequences of their choice. I haven't suggested than anyone who does porn shouldn't be.

[kimindex]

Freedoms are limited if they cause harm to others, otherwise people would have the freedom to spit on people in the street, steal their stuff, damage their property, damage their reputation etc. There is no society where freedom is not constrained to some extent. The difficulty is balancing the constraints and freedoms.

[_drak]

I've never suggested I'm an anarchist. I advocate the freedom of each person to do as they wish with their body, not anyone else's.

[Dictamus]

"I find enemies of freedom immoral."

Depends whose freedom you're talking about. A lot of men equate freedom with being able to use and sexually degrade women at will.

I'm interested in women's freedom from being treated like sex objects and sexually degraded.

How would you like to be in a video and used the way Lea was and then put all over the internet for people to have a good laugh at? All because some people find it sexually stimulating.

Originally Posted by MILF Hunter

can you be absolutely sure about that? many women think that about their partners

Yep, I've met plenty of men over the years who'd have porn in the house only their partners would freak.

[sheils1]

Originally Posted by TheCheekyBoy

As long as the mother, isn't showing her "work" to her child. Then I think it's fine.

No different to a mother, starring in a horror movie or a gritty drama, IMO!

But what if the sons friends show him his mothers work on the net!!!!! is that still fine?

[Geri69]

Originally Posted by faybentos

If being a decent parent was at the top of her list of priorities she wouldn't abandon her son for up to 14 weeks so she could appear on a reality TV show.

As a parent the maternal love with your child is the greatest bond you'll ever have. she has a funny way of showing it with BB and her porn projects.

How do you know she has abandoned him? We do not know what provisions she has made for him while she is in BB (presumably Grandparents). Are you then saying that women who become mothers then shouldn't be film actresses etc (away from their child on location etc). Do you have the same opinion of Victor,Ahmed and Darren who were fathers in the BB house-or is that OK?

I am taking this as a separate issue from the porn thing, and just interested in your opinion.

[moonsparkle]

i was in a lesbian soft-core porn movie (more like benny hill really, very tame) but i only did it to help out a director mate of mine, and because my cat needed an expensive operation and i was skint. and it was before i became a mother of three. does that count?


everyone who works in the sex industry does it through necessity. mothering is about so much more than what you do when you're at your other job (ie the money-earning one, not the hardest unpaid one, which is being a mother.)

Originally Posted by Dictamus

Lots of feminists see porn as a very big issue as do a lot of women - especially when their partners are spending hours on the internet looking at it.

Oh Dictamus, they don't spend hours - just long enough to rip one off. You really don't know a lot about men, do you?

Originally Posted by Dictamus

People who use porn are immoral.

I use porn.

Originally Posted by Dictamus

Sexually objectifying and sexually degrading another human being is wrong.

Really? Go tell that to the guys on here who salivate every time an ex-housemate gets her kit off in 'Nuts'. Go tell that to the BB producers who go out of their way to try and make sure viewers see sex in the house.

Originally Posted by Dictamus

All this stuff about how women "choose" to be in porn is nonsense, what about the people who choose to get their kicks out of someone being used and degraded?

Now you're just making stuff up.

Originally Posted by Dictamus

Would any of the women here want to have done to them what was done to Lea in that porn video? (I haven't looked but I can imagine).

Get a bloody good run of a shag from a good-looking man with decent equipment? Hell yeah, I even do it on a regular basis. You should try it sometime Dictamus - you never know, you might like it.

[sheils1]

Originally Posted by moonsparkle

i was in a lesbian soft-core porn movie (more like benny hill really, very tame) but i only did it to help out a director mate of mine, and because my cat needed an expensive operation and i was skint. and it was before i became a mother of three. does that count?


everyone who works in the sex industry does it through necessity. mothering is about so much more than what you do when you're at your other job (ie the money-earning one, not the hardest unpaid one, which is being a mother.)

hahahahahahahaha

[kimindex]

Originally Posted by moonsparkle

i was in a lesbian soft-core porn movie (more like benny hill really, very tame) but i only did it to help out a director mate of mine, and because my cat needed an expensive operation and i was skint. and it was before i became a mother of three. does that count?


everyone who works in the sex industry does it through necessity. mothering is about so much more than what you do when you're at your other job (ie the money-earning one, not the hardest unpaid one, which is being a mother.)

But how would you feel had it been hard core? Would you have done it then, if you had had children at the time, out of interest?

[JingleJangle]

Plenty of porn stars begin their career when they are young and like most people will end up marrying and having children. Their children could see the videos too when they are older. I don't see the differnce just because she has a son right now.

Originally Posted by kimindex

But how would you feel had it been hard core? Would you have done it then, if you had had children at the time, out of interest?

There's no moral difference between hardcore and softcore pornography - it's all selling your body for cold, hard cash.

[Hatster]

Anyone have a link to her work?

[kimindex]

Originally Posted by Edna

There's no moral difference between hardcore and softcore pornography - it's all selling your body for cold, hard cash.

Why do the terms exist then?

[SinSeer]

Originally Posted by kimindex

Derived from the Lea threads.

I'm uneasy about it but that could be a fault in me, not in Lea.

Of course pornography can be immoral and destroy lives. The very fact that on one thread there is a link to images which, not so long ago, would have been considered obscene, shows how sexually desensitised we've become as a society, requiring more and more explicit and previously taboo imagery, such as the expotential growth in child pornography.

One of the most notorious porn stars, Linda Lovelace, spent the last years of her life trying to get people to understand, from her own personal experience, just how degrading the experience of being in porn films can be.

It is the same for prostitution. If there is a sizeable market, them criminals will muscle in on the act and undercut "legal" prostitution by forcing women and children into it.

With all her plastic surgery Lea comes across, imo, as a rather sad woman, desperate to be told how attractive she is. Part of that seems to have resulted in her appearing in porn films.The trouble is, she is getting too old at 35, and looking far older, to sustain the illusion of the very young desirable woman. She will no doubt be able to flog some dvds from off her BB appearance, but after that will she end up like BB1's Nicola as a downmarket escort when the film roles vanish?

I would hate the thought of my mother having been either a prostitute or porn star. I think most people would not want to boast about their parents being in that line of work. Would the HETEROSEXUAL men who see nothing wrongin it, be quite so complacent if it was their fathers being filmed for the masses being bu**ered or giving head to another man? Or would that be a taboo too far?

[MRS LAWSON]

It's better being a prostitute because at least you don't have everybody watching and telling you things like ok now sit on his head, weird!

[hobbes]

The definition of softcore could constitute most movies and post 9pm tv dramas. There is a perceived difference between Greta Scaatchi bearing her breasts in a Merchant Ivory production or the glimpse of Heath's bits in Brokeback and full on Traci Lord porn with double penetration etc etc

[_drak]

Originally Posted by Dictamus

"I find enemies of freedom immoral."

Depends whose freedom you're talking about. A lot of men equate freedom with being able to use and sexually degrade women at will.

I'm interested in women's freedom from being treated like sex objects and sexually degraded.

How would you like to be in a video and used the way Lea was and then put all over the internet for people to have a good laugh at? All because some people find it sexually stimulating.

The difference is that I would allow mentally sound adults to make their own choices, if they were consensual, about what they wish to do with their own bodies, even if I disagreed with it myself or it offended my beliefs. Clearly you and your legislative taliban wouldn't extend the same courtesy.