SCR refugee station - Radio

idiot_box · 14-11-2007, 13:43

I hearby decalre that this thread is for the refugees from the Southern Counties Radio message board that has felt fit to restrict the freedom of speech.

Please feel free to continue discussing SCR

Chops

FB1969 · 14-11-2007, 13:54

Hello Chops, good to see you here.

At least freedom of speech still exists somewhere!

idiot_box · 14-11-2007, 13:56

Hi FB, thank you for joining me

, let's hope some of the others find their way here!

Chops

FB1969 · 14-11-2007, 13:58

Hopefully word will get out and some will find their way

I have PM'd you

clive4 · 14-11-2007, 14:03

We're Radio Solent-ers - plus ITV WestCountry

idiot_box · 14-11-2007, 14:07

Ironically, this is a much more public forum since SCR did such a good job of hiding the links to their board (wonder why?

)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/england/F27...urrey%26Sussex

So, now our comments will reach a wider audience. Does the term "shot themeselves in the foot" come to mind?

Chops

Phillip Swift · 14-11-2007, 14:15

Damn when I first saw the thread title I thought someone had set up a radio station for refugees from war torn countries who've ended up living in this country. I was all set to suggest some ideas for competitions such as the 1k runaway which would have been right up their street.

Was · 14-11-2007, 16:12

Well I wasn't a regular contributor the thread on the BBC Board, but I always checked in on it, and always check in here, so now I only have to check here!

Hello to all SCR Refugees, as has been mentioned this being a more public board, and ofcourse not so restrictive as to the critisism of various presenters!

I must admit to being lucky in the fact I moved away from the area when the changes took place, but still in the area weekends, I do occasionally listen to the sport, and to Stephen Grant, everything else is well pants!

idiot_box · 14-11-2007, 16:18

Thanks for your support WAS.

What happened to SCR in April 2006 was a complete and utter balls-up

, but no one at the station dare admit it. pringle is an arse and deserves the boot, pronto, taking his cronies with him. Get some people in who actually know how to run a local station, and re-instate the people who have actually got talent!

Phew, that's better!

FB1969 · 14-11-2007, 17:07

Chops, please check your Personal Messages.

Darwinian · 15-11-2007, 10:16

Does the Argus know that the managing editor has come down on the side of totalitarianism and silenced the critics of his radio station?

Maybe someone should tell them..

mugs · 15-11-2007, 10:35

I think they were going for younger listeners but haven't got many and have lost many of the older ones.The music is beginning to sound like a commercial station and those responsible for the huge decline in audience figures should be dismissed.With the BBC Radio 2 station now moving much younger with its music the BBC really should do something for its older listeners.

FB1969 · 15-11-2007, 10:49

Going for younger listeners by using older presenters wasn't a great idea really! Listening to them trying sound up to date was a farce, especially given that one sounds like he is stuck in the 1970s.

Three of the four "new" presenters had been on the station about 10 years before and yet an excuse used was that the station was moving forward with a "harder edge".

Listening figures are now far worse than they were when the decision to make changes was made. The management reacts by removing the message board, something that the BBC states is "the place for local discussion".

mugs · 15-11-2007, 11:06

I never liked the style of Neil Pringle so that rules out listening to Breakfast.I don't rate any of the'new' presenters hence i very rarely tune-in now,same with Solent-both used to be good listens,both in my opinion ruined by new management.Removing the message board might remove a lot of unwanted critics but won't get the listener's back.

Hevwil · 15-11-2007, 13:16

I agree. I have complained to Paul Leaper, the Managing Editor and await his informative reply.

Aztec123 · 15-11-2007, 13:30

Hello All - Another refugee letting you know I've arrived safely.

I've also e-mailed Paul Leaper and had a reply inviting me to have a chat on the phone with him. Well, I'll give it a shot, but I don't hold out much hope of it changing anything - especially as he's only in the job until December.

I noticed that on the Beeb's message board there are a lot of new threads and messages that would have been declared off-topic yesterday and removed. But, for some strange reason, they haven't been touched?

What the heck is going on???!!!

Eastbournian · 15-11-2007, 18:47

Another exile from the SCR board arrives.
I felt so angry yesterday at the high handed attitude of the SCR management. How dare they censor reasonable comment on the output of the radio station.
I bet that today they're not so sure about the wisdom of their action, which I think is why some posts are staying on the SCR board which would have been removed yesterday.(including two of mine).
I really hope that the Argus picks up the story, as I think SCR are now concerned about the adverse publicity and that the whole sorry story of the decline of SCR will be in the press again.

gamestats · 15-11-2007, 20:34

Unfortunately, the addition of so many short topics in protest has had the effect of moving the major one down out of site.
What incensed me was "It has been decided...." without anyone taking responsibility. Hostie then went on to say that the topic had run its course - hardly, it was the most frequently used. Admittedly, it may have got a bit personal, but aren't they big boys who like to give it out?
Apart from annoying people even more, they have now moved it onto a board they have no control over.
To me this is very much like - my board, my rules, I'm taking my ball home. No change there, then.

sausages · 16-11-2007, 00:57

You are a "vocal minority" - which means that you'll shout and complain, and possibly even think that you might make a difference.

However "vocal" you are... you are the "minority". And that's why you won't get what you want. If you really think that moving onto DS to discuss this (and seeing as you all have the same views it's not much of a discussion is it) will make any difference is ludicrous.

Why don't you all meet in the pub, or at the dole office/post office... rather than spouting the same nonsense here behind your pseudonyms that make you all feel so clever?

sausages

Aztec123 · 16-11-2007, 10:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by sausages

You are a "vocal minority" - which means that you'll shout and complain, and possibly even think that you might make a difference.

However "vocal" you are... you are the "minority". And that's why you won't get what you want. If you really think that moving onto DS to discuss this (and seeing as you all have the same views it's not much of a discussion is it) will make any difference is ludicrous.

Why don't you all meet in the pub, or at the dole office/post office... rather than spouting the same nonsense here behind your pseudonyms that make you all feel so clever?

sausages

Walls have ears... and sausages!

If we're a minority, sausages, why are you so concerned about what we say or do?

What's your agenda?

Hevwil · 16-11-2007, 10:44

Well said, Aztec,

We do manage to keep in touch with each other but we felt that we could reach a wider group through this site. We also represent a lot of people we meet in our day-to-day lives who detest the changes to SCR. These people are too frail to make their own protests.

Darwinian · 16-11-2007, 11:04

Well, on this thread you are in a vocal minority so may I suggest that you take your own advice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sausages

You are a "vocal minority" - which means that you'll shout and complain, and possibly even think that you might make a difference.

However "vocal" you are... you are the "minority". And that's why you won't get what you want. If you really think that moving onto DS to discuss this (and seeing as you all have the same views it's not much of a discussion is it) will make any difference is ludicrous.

Why don't you all meet in the pub, or at the dole office/post office... rather than spouting the same nonsense here behind your pseudonyms that make you all feel so clever?

sausages

Was · 16-11-2007, 11:18

Well It seems to me that they are blinkered in thinking they are right and anyone whoe dares critisise is wrong, and it's not that they have attracted a younger listner, as being in my 30's they've lost me! ok I didn't like all the programmes before the change, but I did feel the whole schedule worked in a way to compliment the make up of the area it covered, something for everyone. Sadly in this modern digital world that is a very out of date concept, now a narrow format which is probably designed for June, who lives at the end of the road, and only likes to listen to small bursts! is the way! Maybe time is neigh for a few tweaks, but a request to the management, take the Radio 2 model which I belive is widely recognised at the way to modenise a station without ailienating your existing audience. Yes you will loose some, but to change the station overnight like that was the wrong way! let's face it, if they had employed GA in the mid morning show but kept the other shows I don't think that there would have been so much ill feeling! I also think his style would have been different if he still had the other shows around, (game being raised!)

that's enough of me though back to Radio 5 live!

Phil Ander · 16-11-2007, 12:59

It's remarkable that the complaints about SCR and 3 Counties are very similar to those about most of the BBC local stations and also Radio 5.

I have mentioned before that the Dave and Sue formula devised by English Regions is a classic example of a one size fits all solution that the BBC frequently chastises both the Government and EU about.

You suspect that complianing is a bit like the phrase about water in the wind. Or as I prefer it fighting a rice pudding.

sausages · 16-11-2007, 16:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aztec123

Walls have ears... and sausages!

If we're a minority, sausages, why are you so concerned about what we say or do?

Walls do indeed have fabulous sausages!

I have no concern, I've just seen it happen so many times in radio. The listeners that actually matter are usually the ones who don't comment/write/phone in.

14-11-2007, 13:43	#1
idiot_box Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East Sussex Posts: 238	SCR refugee station I hearby decalre that this thread is for the refugees from the Southern Counties Radio message board that has felt fit to restrict the freedom of speech. Please feel free to continue discussing SCR Chops

14-11-2007, 13:58	#4
FB1969 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: England Posts: 188	Hopefully word will get out and some will find their way I have PM'd you Last edited by FB1969 : 14-11-2007 at 14:04. Reason: sent pm

14-11-2007, 13:54	#2
FB1969 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: England Posts: 188	Hello Chops, good to see you here. At least freedom of speech still exists somewhere!

14-11-2007, 13:56	#3
idiot_box Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East Sussex Posts: 238	Hi FB, thank you for joining me , let's hope some of the others find their way here! Chops

14-11-2007, 14:03	#5
clive4 Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dorset Services: Freesat, Freeview, Virgin BB (ex- Onetel/TT), BT/Orange Posts: 367	We're Radio Solent-ers - plus ITV WestCountry

14-11-2007, 14:07	#6
idiot_box Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East Sussex Posts: 238	Ironically, this is a much more public forum since SCR did such a good job of hiding the links to their board (wonder why? ) http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/england/F27...urrey%26Sussex So, now our comments will reach a wider audience. Does the term "shot themeselves in the foot" come to mind? Chops

14-11-2007, 14:15	#7
Phillip Swift Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,031	Damn when I first saw the thread title I thought someone had set up a radio station for refugees from war torn countries who've ended up living in this country. I was all set to suggest some ideas for competitions such as the 1k runaway which would have been right up their street.

14-11-2007, 16:12	#8
Was Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Surrey by the sea! Posts: 300	Well I wasn't a regular contributor the thread on the BBC Board, but I always checked in on it, and always check in here, so now I only have to check here! Hello to all SCR Refugees, as has been mentioned this being a more public board, and ofcourse not so restrictive as to the critisism of various presenters! I must admit to being lucky in the fact I moved away from the area when the changes took place, but still in the area weekends, I do occasionally listen to the sport, and to Stephen Grant, everything else is well pants!

14-11-2007, 16:18	#9
idiot_box Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East Sussex Posts: 238	Thanks for your support WAS. What happened to SCR in April 2006 was a complete and utter balls-up , but no one at the station dare admit it. pringle is an arse and deserves the boot, pronto, taking his cronies with him. Get some people in who actually know how to run a local station, and re-instate the people who have actually got talent! Phew, that's better!

14-11-2007, 17:07	#10
FB1969 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: England Posts: 188	Chops, please check your Personal Messages.

15-11-2007, 10:16	#11
Darwinian Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2	Does the Argus know that the managing editor has come down on the side of totalitarianism and silenced the critics of his radio station? Maybe someone should tell them..

15-11-2007, 10:35	#12
mugs Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,142	I think they were going for younger listeners but haven't got many and have lost many of the older ones.The music is beginning to sound like a commercial station and those responsible for the huge decline in audience figures should be dismissed.With the BBC Radio 2 station now moving much younger with its music the BBC really should do something for its older listeners.

15-11-2007, 10:49	#13
FB1969 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: England Posts: 188	Going for younger listeners by using older presenters wasn't a great idea really! Listening to them trying sound up to date was a farce, especially given that one sounds like he is stuck in the 1970s. Three of the four "new" presenters had been on the station about 10 years before and yet an excuse used was that the station was moving forward with a "harder edge". Listening figures are now far worse than they were when the decision to make changes was made. The management reacts by removing the message board, something that the BBC states is "the place for local discussion".

15-11-2007, 11:06	#14
mugs Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,142	I never liked the style of Neil Pringle so that rules out listening to Breakfast.I don't rate any of the'new' presenters hence i very rarely tune-in now,same with Solent-both used to be good listens,both in my opinion ruined by new management.Removing the message board might remove a lot of unwanted critics but won't get the listener's back.

15-11-2007, 13:16	#15
Hevwil Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 74	I agree. I have complained to Paul Leaper, the Managing Editor and await his informative reply.

15-11-2007, 13:30	#16
Aztec123 Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 79	Hello All - Another refugee letting you know I've arrived safely. I've also e-mailed Paul Leaper and had a reply inviting me to have a chat on the phone with him. Well, I'll give it a shot, but I don't hold out much hope of it changing anything - especially as he's only in the job until December. I noticed that on the Beeb's message board there are a lot of new threads and messages that would have been declared off-topic yesterday and removed. But, for some strange reason, they haven't been touched? What the heck is going on???!!!

15-11-2007, 18:47	#17
Eastbournian Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4	Another exile from the SCR board arrives. I felt so angry yesterday at the high handed attitude of the SCR management. How dare they censor reasonable comment on the output of the radio station. I bet that today they're not so sure about the wisdom of their action, which I think is why some posts are staying on the SCR board which would have been removed yesterday.(including two of mine). I really hope that the Argus picks up the story, as I think SCR are now concerned about the adverse publicity and that the whole sorry story of the decline of SCR will be in the press again.

15-11-2007, 20:34	#18
gamestats Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 48	Unfortunately, the addition of so many short topics in protest has had the effect of moving the major one down out of site. What incensed me was "It has been decided...." without anyone taking responsibility. Hostie then went on to say that the topic had run its course - hardly, it was the most frequently used. Admittedly, it may have got a bit personal, but aren't they big boys who like to give it out? Apart from annoying people even more, they have now moved it onto a board they have no control over. To me this is very much like - my board, my rules, I'm taking my ball home. No change there, then.

16-11-2007, 00:57	#19
sausages Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 807	You are a "vocal minority" - which means that you'll shout and complain, and possibly even think that you might make a difference. However "vocal" you are... you are the "minority". And that's why you won't get what you want. If you really think that moving onto DS to discuss this (and seeing as you all have the same views it's not much of a discussion is it) will make any difference is ludicrous. Why don't you all meet in the pub, or at the dole office/post office... rather than spouting the same nonsense here behind your pseudonyms that make you all feel so clever? sausages

16-11-2007, 10:44	#21
Hevwil Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 74	Well said, Aztec, We do manage to keep in touch with each other but we felt that we could reach a wider group through this site. We also represent a lot of people we meet in our day-to-day lives who detest the changes to SCR. These people are too frail to make their own protests.

16-11-2007, 11:18	#23
Was Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Surrey by the sea! Posts: 300	Well It seems to me that they are blinkered in thinking they are right and anyone whoe dares critisise is wrong, and it's not that they have attracted a younger listner, as being in my 30's they've lost me! ok I didn't like all the programmes before the change, but I did feel the whole schedule worked in a way to compliment the make up of the area it covered, something for everyone. Sadly in this modern digital world that is a very out of date concept, now a narrow format which is probably designed for June, who lives at the end of the road, and only likes to listen to small bursts! is the way! Maybe time is neigh for a few tweaks, but a request to the management, take the Radio 2 model which I belive is widely recognised at the way to modenise a station without ailienating your existing audience. Yes you will loose some, but to change the station overnight like that was the wrong way! let's face it, if they had employed GA in the mid morning show but kept the other shows I don't think that there would have been so much ill feeling! I also think his style would have been different if he still had the other shows around, (game being raised!) that's enough of me though back to Radio 5 live!

16-11-2007, 12:59	#24
Phil Ander Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 415	It's remarkable that the complaints about SCR and 3 Counties are very similar to those about most of the BBC local stations and also Radio 5. I have mentioned before that the Dave and Sue formula devised by English Regions is a classic example of a one size fits all solution that the BBC frequently chastises both the Government and EU about. You suspect that complianing is a bit like the phrase about water in the wind. Or as I prefer it fighting a rice pudding.