Is BBC 3's first look a mistake? - Doctor Who and Torchwood

Digital Sid · 14-02-2008, 13:30

Surely the BBC 2 viewing figures go down as bbc 2 is no longer the channel where episodes air first. Plus do you think they planned to move it to three? Or did they just realise it's better on three.

stcoop · 14-02-2008, 13:33

The BBc won't care as long as the combined ratings don't go down. And if anything they'll probably go up slightly.

Sharon87 · 14-02-2008, 13:33

I think the ratings will go down a little, but the BBC will care about the combined ratings of the original broadcast on both BBC2 and 3.

I think they just want to do what everyone else is doing, having a first look thing. I think they should have done it from the start, because 'Reset' took the focus of 'Adam', which was a really good episode.

sparkle_18 · 14-02-2008, 13:35

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Originally Posted by Digital Sid

Surely the BBC 2 viewing figures go down as bbc 2 is no longer the channel where episodes air first. Plus do you think they planned to move it to three? Or did they just realise it's better on three.

There just offering that see the next one thing, like they do on channel4/E4... it does defeat the object of moving it to bbc2, your right, as the new ones have ended up on three. I think the move to Bbc2 was to lift the shows status, by airing it straight on the terrestrial channel, instead of a digital one.
Loving this series by the way!!

snowblower · 14-02-2008, 13:36

i found the pinkish bbc3 onscreen logo throughout the episode blooming annoying,
so i will be sticking to the bbc2 shows in future.

Simon__UK · 14-02-2008, 13:39

It's been done purely to boost BBC3's viewing figures, as it's not exactly the most profitable station.

I guess they're trying to replicate the whole E4 First Look success of shows like Desperate HouseFraus, Lost & Hollyoaks.

sparkle_18 · 14-02-2008, 13:40

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Originally Posted by snowblower

i found the pinkish bbc3 onscreen logo throughout the episode blooming annoying,
so i will be sticking to the bbc2 shows in future.

Yeh i thought it was annoying too, they've totally revamped the look of BBCthree, its so pink! LOL I like watching one after the other, so i will put up with the flourescent blob in the corner

mossy2103 · 14-02-2008, 13:40

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Originally Posted by snowblower

i found the pinkish bbc3 onscreen logo throughout the episode blooming annoying,
so i will be sticking to the bbc2 shows in future.

Perhaps that was part of their plan - relaunch BBC Three with that damn pink monstrosity, then have first-run Torchwood episodes (episodes which are the ones which will arouse interest, with Martha's appearance etc), entice the BBC2 viewers to watch it on Three, and get them used to that pink DOG so that there are fewer complaints (and at the same time it softens up the viewing base for a further spread of the DOGS ....)

There's a method in their madness.

Digital Sid · 14-02-2008, 13:46

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Originally Posted by stcoop

The BBc won't care as long as the combined ratings don't go down. And if anything they'll probably go up slightly.

I suppose, but still the media may not think about including the bbc 3 ones and might just slate it because it's bbc 2 ones are down.

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Originally Posted by Sharon87

I think the ratings will go down a little, but the BBC will care about the combined ratings of the original broadcast on both BBC2 and 3.

I think they just want to do what everyone else is doing, having a first look thing. I think they should have done it from the start, because 'Reset' took the focus of 'Adam', which was a really good episode.

It did indeed! Adam a very good episode and the wind was kind of taken out of it because a better episode was aired straight afterwoods with a massive cliff hanger. If the media do any reviews they are more likely to write about the massive cliff hanger in Reset than what happened in Adam and people on here are more likely to discuss Reset than Adam etc.

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Originally Posted by sparkle_18

There just offering that see the next one thing, like they do on channel4/E4... it does defeat the object of moving it to bbc2, your right, as the new ones have ended up on three. I think the move to Bbc2 was to lift the shows status, by airing it straight on the terrestrial channel, instead of a digital one.
Loving this series by the way!!

Yes, I know. But it's one of BBC 2's biggest selling points at the moment, so I don't understand why the controllers of BBC 2 agreed to the arrangement.

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Originally Posted by snowblower

i found the pinkish bbc3 onscreen logo throughout the episode blooming annoying,
so i will be sticking to the bbc2 shows in future.

Lol, because of a watermark haha. Won't you be watching the same episode over next week and thus have to wait 2 weeks for the next one then?

The Slug · 14-02-2008, 13:46

A lot of people who posted during the episode

complained about the DOG, but personally I didn't even notice it!

ps yes I am talking about Reset, before anyone tries to get smart!

snowblower · 14-02-2008, 13:50

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Lol, because of a watermark haha. Won't you be watching the same episode over next week and thus have to wait 2 weeks for the next one then?[/quote]

oh i spose i will still watch the bbc3 shows,
but will just record the bbc2 showings without the dreadful pink logo

zankoku87 · 14-02-2008, 13:51

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Originally Posted by snowblower

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Lol, because of a watermark haha. Won't you be watching the same episode over next week and thus have to wait 2 weeks for the next one then?

oh i spose i will still watch the bbc3 shows,
but will just record the bbc2 showings without the dreadful pink logo

I don't think the iPlayer version had anything intrusive on it, if that helps?

IamSparta · 14-02-2008, 13:52

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Originally Posted by mossy2103

Perhaps that was part of their plan - relaunch BBC Three with that damn pink monstrosity, then have first-run Torchwood episodes (episodes which are the ones which will arouse interest, with Martha's appearance etc), entice the BBC2 viewers to watch it on Three, and get them used to that pink DOG so that there are fewer complaints (and at the same time it softens up the viewing base for a further spread of the DOGS ....)

There's a method in their madness.

I was always under the impression that BBC 'three' are only having the 'first showings' for episodes 6, 7 and 8...the Martha Jones episodes, then it reverts back to solely on BBC Two...?????

The Slug · 14-02-2008, 13:54

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Originally Posted by IamSparta

I was always under the impression that BBC 'three' are only having the 'first showings' for episodes 6, 7 and 8...the Martha Jones episodes, then it reverts back to solely on BBC Two...?????

Did you read that anywhere?

If true, it means those of us who watch it on Three will have a two-week wait for episode 9, unless Two has a double-bill for 7 and 8. (I think!

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Digital Sid · 14-02-2008, 14:01

The first look thing is untill the end of the series I think. There's no reason to think otherwise.

IamSparta · 14-02-2008, 14:06

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Originally Posted by The Slug

Did you read that anywhere?

If true, it means those of us who watch it on Three will have a two-week wait for episode 9, unless Two has a double-bill for 7 and 8. (I think!

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Not 100% certain, i 'thought' i may have read it somewhere, because the producers knew that fans would be keen to see the next episodes of this 3 story arc asap, so they made them available on 'first look' on bbc three...

Cud be wrong, just don't understand why they chose to wait till almost half way through season 2 to start doing this....

Mickey S · 14-02-2008, 14:30

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Originally Posted by The Slug

A lot of people who posted during the episode

complained about the DOG, but personally I didn't even notice it!

ps yes I am talking about Reset, before anyone tries to get smart!

I watched both on BBC HD and wasn't even aware that there was a DOG, although I suppose there must have been.

I guess it just shows that a subtle DOG doesn't really get in the way when you're completely engrossed in a programme.

puppetangel · 14-02-2008, 14:35

Why is everyone calling the BBC3 logo a DOG?

The Slug · 14-02-2008, 14:45

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Originally Posted by puppetangel

Why is everyone calling the BBC3 logo a DOG?

Digital On-screen Graphic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_on-screen_graphic

HarlemsNocturne · 15-02-2008, 00:16

Don't get me wrong, I liked having 2 new episodes to watch last night but I thought it was fine the way it was.

Lumen · 15-02-2008, 00:29

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Originally Posted by IamSparta

Not 100% certain, i 'thought' i may have read it somewhere, because the producers knew that fans would be keen to see the next episodes of this 3 story arc asap, so they made them available on 'first look' on bbc three...

Cud be wrong, just don't understand why they chose to wait till almost half way through season 2 to start doing this....

Because BBC 3 just relaunched so it's something to add to their list of 'new' features.

Gutted Girl · 15-02-2008, 00:37

I have to say that though I thought that the DOG was horrendously large and very pink when the episode started, by the end I'd stopped noticing it because I was involved with the episode.

They start doing a first look for Torchwood, the show that's got the record for BBC3's highest ever rating, starting with Martha's first episode the day after BBC3 relaunches. I wonder why they could have done that? Oh yeah to get the ratings up.

Totally OT but I miss the blobs!

CLL Dodge · 15-02-2008, 12:49

Nothing's better on 3.

dronkula · 15-02-2008, 16:29

To be honest though, how many people who watched it on BBC3 last week will still watch it again on BBC2 next week cos theres nothing else on anyway? I suspect quite a few of them - esp as it gives them a chance to 'refresh' their memory of what happened before the next episode at 10am.

Does anyone have the comparable ratings for Torchwood BBC2 for last season and this season?

loz2601 · 15-02-2008, 18:19

I think it's a bad idea only because it ruins any cliffhangers etc because everyone can just watch it straight after!
There's no "Ooh I can't wait for Torchwood next week" between everyone - it makes for a bit of a divide.

14-02-2008, 13:30	#1
Digital Sid Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Gender: Male Location: Cardiff Services: Twitter Posts: 16,200 Blog Entries: 2	Is BBC 3's first look a mistake? Surely the BBC 2 viewing figures go down as bbc 2 is no longer the channel where episodes air first. Plus do you think they planned to move it to three? Or did they just realise it's better on three.

14-02-2008, 13:33	#2
stcoop Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,670	The BBc won't care as long as the combined ratings don't go down. And if anything they'll probably go up slightly.

14-02-2008, 13:33	#3
Sharon87 Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: London Services: Sky+ Posts: 1,649	I think the ratings will go down a little, but the BBC will care about the combined ratings of the original broadcast on both BBC2 and 3. I think they just want to do what everyone else is doing, having a first look thing. I think they should have done it from the start, because 'Reset' took the focus of 'Adam', which was a really good episode.

14-02-2008, 13:36	#5
snowblower Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: berkshire Posts: 916	i found the pinkish bbc3 onscreen logo throughout the episode blooming annoying, so i will be sticking to the bbc2 shows in future.

14-02-2008, 13:39	#6
Simon__UK Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 445	It's been done purely to boost BBC3's viewing figures, as it's not exactly the most profitable station. I guess they're trying to replicate the whole E4 First Look success of shows like Desperate HouseFraus, Lost & Hollyoaks.

14-02-2008, 13:46	#10
The Slug Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Birmingham Services: As a service to the community, Dr Who poll stats are on my home page! Posts: 4,049	A lot of people who posted during the episode complained about the DOG, but personally I didn't even notice it! ps yes I am talking about Reset, before anyone tries to get smart!

14-02-2008, 13:50	#11
snowblower Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: berkshire Posts: 916	[QUOTE Lol, because of a watermark haha. Won't you be watching the same episode over next week and thus have to wait 2 weeks for the next one then?[/quote] oh i spose i will still watch the bbc3 shows, but will just record the bbc2 showings without the dreadful pink logo

14-02-2008, 14:01	#15
Digital Sid Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Gender: Male Location: Cardiff Services: Twitter Posts: 16,200 Blog Entries: 2	The first look thing is untill the end of the series I think. There's no reason to think otherwise.

14-02-2008, 14:35	#18
puppetangel Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,034	Why is everyone calling the BBC3 logo a DOG?

15-02-2008, 00:16	#20
HarlemsNocturne Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,126	Don't get me wrong, I liked having 2 new episodes to watch last night but I thought it was fine the way it was.

15-02-2008, 00:37	#22
Gutted Girl Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Services: Sky Digital Posts: 2,030	I have to say that though I thought that the DOG was horrendously large and very pink when the episode started, by the end I'd stopped noticing it because I was involved with the episode. They start doing a first look for Torchwood, the show that's got the record for BBC3's highest ever rating, starting with Martha's first episode the day after BBC3 relaunches. I wonder why they could have done that? Oh yeah to get the ratings up. Totally OT but I miss the blobs!

15-02-2008, 12:49	#23
CLL Dodge Forum Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Surrey Posts: 40,509	Nothing's better on 3.

15-02-2008, 16:29	#24
dronkula Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Dublin Services: Irish Analogue, 1Mb Wireless Broadband Posts: 1,267	To be honest though, how many people who watched it on BBC3 last week will still watch it again on BBC2 next week cos theres nothing else on anyway? I suspect quite a few of them - esp as it gives them a chance to 'refresh' their memory of what happened before the next episode at 10am. Does anyone have the comparable ratings for Torchwood BBC2 for last season and this season?

15-02-2008, 18:19	#25
loz2601 Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Reading. Posts: 5,137	I think it's a bad idea only because it ruins any cliffhangers etc because everyone can just watch it straight after! There's no "Ooh I can't wait for Torchwood next week" between everyone - it makes for a bit of a divide.