[c3pod4qp]

Dephormation v1.1 Firefox 2 Add on

It's a Firefox add-on that automatically adds a Phorm opt out cookie to your Firefox browser (yet another good reason to use Firefox) and the Phorm UID cookie is given a random value to protect your privacy. It doesn't matter if you delete all your cookies regularly, this add-on will immediately replace deleted cookies and help stop this spyware.

If enough of us opt out of Phorm, Phorm will fail.

[mclarenf1]

the only way it will "fail" is if we put preasure on ISP's to drop the idea, and the only way we can do this is A) everybody write to them or B) everybody cancle the sub.

My question is, how many peopole actually KNOW about it? I know i dont go on the VM site every day and search for "latest spy intrusion" and find things such as this phorm, so unless they tell people themself, nobody will know about it and nobody will be none the wiser. Legal? i think not! DPA?

Plug in is good though, ive got it in and it works

[Formula1Mad]

I'll be sad to stop using Avant browser because it's so fast, but i'll download Firefox in the morning.

Once i've downloaded this add-on, do i just run the download and it will automatically install the add-on onto Firefox or do i have to download it into a certain directory?

Thanks for the link btw, much appreciated

[RobAnt]

Why is this a separate thread?

[c3pod4qp]

Originally Posted by mclarenf1

the only way it will "fail" is if we put pressure on ISPs to drop the idea, and the only way we can do this is A) everybody write to them or B) everybody cancel the sub.

The more people who opt out of Phorm, the less viable it is as a business. Writing to Virgin Media is also a very good idea. Cancelling the subscription gives a very clear message.

My question is, how many people actually KNOW about it? I know I don't go on the VM site every day and search for "latest spy intrusion" and find things such as Phorm. Unless they tell people themselves, nobody will know about it and nobody will be any the wiser. Legal? I think not! DPA?

People should be informed. I would like Virgin Media to send a letter to all subscribers offering the Phorm service as an opt in extra.

Plug in is good though, ive got it in and it works

I'm not sure what this means.

[mclarenf1]

Originally Posted by Formula1Mad

I'll be sad to stop using Avant browser because it's so fast, but i'll download Firefox in the morning.

Once i've downloaded this add-on, do i just run the download and it will automatically install the add-on onto Firefox or do i have to download it into a certain directory?

Thanks for the link btw, much appreciated

you download the file and it will automaticly tell you the site (from link) is not in the safe sites zone (standered) just add the site (on the screen theres add button) then install it - it will do it automaticly

reboot the browser and you will get a popup saying it has been installed and is working - from then, its installed, working and you need do nothing else

[mclarenf1]

Originally Posted by c3pod4qp

I'm not sure what this means.

well you said you want phorm to fail - it wont. with our ISP's joining, it wont fail. The only way it will fail in the longrun, is for our ISP's to say sorry no thanks to phorm. The only way they will do this, is if they thinik they will lose revenue from customers cancling their subs - after all, phorm will make them approx £3m per year so unless they are going to lose more than that per year, they wont bother to stop it

[c3pod4qp]

Originally Posted by mclarenf1

well you said you want phorm to fail - it wont. with our ISP's joining, it wont fail. The only way it will fail in the longrun, is for our ISP's to say sorry no thanks to phorm. The only way they will do this, is if they thinik they will lose revenue from customers cancling their subs - after all, phorm will make them approx £3m per year so unless they are going to lose more than that per year, they wont bother to stop it

If enough people opt out of Phorm, Phorm will fail. Phorm has paid Virgin Media to sell adverts. If enough people opt out and do not see the adverts, it will cease to be a viable business proposition. Phorm have an expectation that a certain percentage of subscribers will opt out (say 10%) and still be profitable. We need to make sure it's a much, much higher percentage so that it becomes unprofitable.

The formula for Phorm failure is Dephormation in Firefox. Plus letters and cancellations.

[mclarenf1]

Originally Posted by c3pod4qp

If enough people opt out of Phorm, Phorm will fail. Phorm has paid Virgin Media to sell adverts. If enough people opt out and do not see the adverts, it will cease to be a viable business proposition.

yes, but how many people know about phorm? i mean, i dont go on the VM homepage atall, so i didnt know about this untill i seen it on here a few weeeks back, how many people dont go onhere, and dont look for stuff like that? id say about 85% so will they get enough people to opt out?

[Formula1Mad]

Originally Posted by c3pod4qp

The formula for Phorm failure is Dephormation in Firefox.

Try saying that 5 times quickly after downing a couple of pints of strong lager

[mclarenf1]

Originally Posted by Formula1Mad

Try saying that 5 times quickly after downing a couple of pints of strong lager

try saying it once while sober!!!!!

[c3pod4qp]

Originally Posted by mclarenf1

yes, but how many people know about phorm? i mean, i dont go on the VM homepage atall, so i didnt know about this untill i seen it on here a few weeeks back, how many people dont go onhere, and dont look for stuff like that? id say about 85% so will they get enough people to opt out?

If you know any Virgin Media customers tell them about Phorm! Tell them about Firefox and tell them about the add-on that can stop Phorm.

Together we can formulate Phorm's failure (forever).

[mclarenf1]

Originally Posted by c3pod4qp

If you know any Virgin Media customers tell them about Phorm! Tell them about Firefox and tell them about the add-on that can stop Phorm.

Together we can formulate Phorm's failure (forever).

I already have - thing is, we the customer shouldnt have to have this pushed to us. Its like we are given no choice - take it or take it. In order to opt out, we have to know we have it, and if they dont tell us - its us relying on others to tell us - shouldnt be this way.

VM should haev the balls to tell us in writing that they plan to impliment this scam on us. I mean, they are going to earn over £3m in profit from us in this alone, esp when we are paying up to £37 per month for the use of the internet!

[Formula1Mad]

Originally Posted by c3pod4qp

formulate Phorm's failure (forever).

You're at it again with the tongue twisters

[icsys]

Originally Posted by mclarenf1

My question is, how many peopole actually KNOW about it? I know i dont go on the VM site every day and search for "latest spy intrusion" and find things such as this phorm, so unless they tell people themself, nobody will know about it and nobody will be none the wiser. Legal? i think not! DPA?

Plug in is good though, ive got it in and it works

A very good question.

I cannot find any link on the VM website that takes you to http://www.virginmedia.com/customers/webwise.php
I'm sure its there somewhere

VM will have to ensure customers had enough information about the scheme in order to have "informed consent".
Unless ISPs are extremely clear they could run foul of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA).

"RIPA is pretty clear that the provision for notification for consent, and informed consent, have to be extremely transparent"

Edit:
Spotted it under the big ad on the right of the Customer Zone homepage.
Webwise - A safer and more relevant online experience.

[mclarenf1]

Originally Posted by icsys

A very good question.

I cannot find any link on the VM website that takes you to http://www.virginmedia.com/customers/webwise.php
I'm sure its there somewhere

VM will have to ensure customers had enough information about the scheme in order to have "informed consent".
Unless ISPs are extremely clear they could run foul of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA).

"RIPA is pretty clear that the provision for notification for consent, and informed consent, have to be extremely transparent"

in the customers zone. Thing is, like ive said, i for one dont go on the VM website to check for scams like this - i suspect not many people do.

So they have to tell us in writing.

With RIPA though, will they make ISPs get signed permission? this would be great as i dont think many people WOULD sign it so it would scupper their chances

[c3pod4qp]

Originally Posted by mclarenf1

I already have - thing is, we the customer shouldnt have to have this pushed to us. Its like we are given no choice - take it or take it. In order to opt out, we have to know we have it, and if they dont tell us - its us relying on others to tell us - shouldnt be this way.

VM should haev the balls to tell us in writing that they plan to impliment this scam on us. I mean, they are going to earn over £3m in profit from us in this alone, esp when we are paying up to £37 per month for the use of the internet!

I agree with you. However, Virgin Media are NOT going to write to each broadband subscriber seeking consent. Letters and cancellations are good. Preventing Phorm from delivering adverts is a good way of making their business model unprofitable.

[mclarenf1]

Originally Posted by c3pod4qp

I agree with you. However, Virgin Media are NOT going to write to each broadband subscriber seeking consent. Letters and cancellations are good. Preventing Phorm from delivering adverts is a good way of making their business model unprofitable.

Who is worse, VM for signing up to this or phorm for making this happen?

[c3pod4qp]

Originally Posted by mclarenf1

Who is worse, VM for signing up to this or phorm for making this happen?

They're as bad as each other. Virgin Media should not allow this on their network without getting the consent of their customers. 'Services' such as Phorm should only be delivered to subscribers who opt in.

[mclarenf1]

Originally Posted by c3pod4qp

Phorm. Virgin Media need money and Phorm know this. Are Virgin Media really aware of Phorm's history?

They shouldnt do a deal with the devil unless they research it.

You dont buy a car without doing a HPI check.
You dont spend £300,000 on a house without getting a survey done of it
You dont do a deal with the devil unless you put work in to looking up the fine points of the deal

[c3pod4qp]

Originally Posted by mclarenf1

They shouldnt do a deal with the devil unless they research it.

You dont buy a car without doing a HPI check.
You dont spend £300,000 on a house without getting a survey done of it
You dont do a deal with the devil unless you put work in to looking up the fine points of the deal

Sorry, I edited my post.

[mclarenf1]

Originally Posted by c3pod4qp

Sorry, I edited my post.

lol - ill re quote you

[mclarenf1]

Originally Posted by c3pod4qp

They're as bad as each other. Virgin Media should not allow this on their network without getting the consent of their customers. 'Services' such as Phorm should only be delivered to subscribers who opt in.

scams (not services, services are internet, telephone and tv ) like phorm SHOULD only be opt in. No iffs or buts, opt in or nothing is my opinion on it.

[c3pod4qp]

Originally Posted by mclarenf1

scams (not services, services are internet, telephone and tv ) like phorm SHOULD only be opt in. No iffs or buts, opt in or nothing is my opinion on it.

I was trying to be less libellous!

[mclarenf1]

Originally Posted by c3pod4qp

I was trying to be less libellous!

nothing to do with libal, its more the truth