The Shadow Proclamation - longest of story arcs? - Doctor Who and Torchwood

JohnFlawbod · 07-04-2008, 20:51

First cited in "Rose" last cited in "Partners in Crime"...heading towards an inevitable tragedy (so we are led to believe)...red herring? Or the longest of story arcs ever that no one paid any attention to along the way? And if so: what is/are "The Shadow Proclamation"...

Partial anagrams include:

Time Lords

Rose (obviously)

The Doctor is a pawn

So...surely RTD couldn't have been this far-sighted from episode one could he?

GlennDines123 · 07-04-2008, 21:05

Very Good point! There so much we just dont know!

Black Guardian · 07-04-2008, 21:10

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Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod

First cited in "Rose" last cited in "Partners in Crime"...heading towards an inevitable tragedy (so we are led to believe)...red herring? Or the longest of story arcs ever that no one paid any attention to along the way? And if so: what is/are "The Shadow Proclamation"...

Partial anagrams include:

Time Lords

Rose (obviously)

The Doctor is a pawn

So...surely RTD couldn't have been this far-sighted from episode one could he?

well The Daleks returned (many times) as did The Master so why not a whole raft of Time Lords...

TimCypher · 07-04-2008, 21:16

Wonder if 'The Shadow Proclamation' is the missing ep 12 episode title..three words, none beginning with 'D'.

Regards,

Cypher

Black Guardian · 07-04-2008, 21:27

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Originally Posted by TimCypher

Wonder if 'The Shadow Proclamation' is the missing ep 12 episode title..three words, none beginning with 'D'.

Regards,

Cypher

good thinking. or The Medusa Cascade? Didn't RTD say it had already been mentioned by The Master or am I thinking of something else?

TimCypher · 07-04-2008, 21:29

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Originally Posted by Black Guardian

good thinking. or The Medusa Cascade? Didn't RTD say it had already been mentioned by The Master or am I thinking of something else?

No, you're right - actually that makes more sense than my suggestion...

Regards,

Cypher

Black Guardian · 07-04-2008, 21:32

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Originally Posted by TimCypher

No, you're right - actually that makes more sense than my suggestion...

Regards,

Cypher

or something to do with the Cruciform? RTD said we would never see it but it is mentioned in the Radio Times..

TimCypher · 07-04-2008, 21:33

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Originally Posted by Black Guardian

or something to do with the Cruciform? RTD said we would never see it but it is mentioned in the Radio Times..

Surely he's not lied again...?

Regards,

Cypher

Black Guardian · 07-04-2008, 21:35

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Originally Posted by TimCypher

Surely he's not lied again...?

Regards,

Cypher

I never said that word..you did...

The Slug · 07-04-2008, 21:36

I don't think either Medusa Cascade or Shadow Proclamation would 'give away too much' as RTD claimed the Ep 12 title would.

But I do like the idea that the Shadow Proclamation could be part of something that started and ended RTD's stewardship of the show. So maybe it won't be part of this year's finale (no room in the Tardis) but perhaps in the specials or 2010 series?

TimCypher · 07-04-2008, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Black Guardian

I never said that word..you did...

I feel no compunction - he lies by his own admission.

Regards,

Cypher

TimCypher · 07-04-2008, 21:39

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Originally Posted by The Slug

I don't think either Medusa Cascade or Shadow Proclamation would 'give away too much' as RTD claimed the Ep 12 title would.

You might be right - they're saying it's

spoiler:
War On Skaro

...over on OG.

Personally, I prefer the suggestions proffered here.

Regards,

Cypher

Black Guardian · 07-04-2008, 21:50

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Originally Posted by TimCypher

I feel no compunction - he lies by his own admission.

Regards,

Cypher

ah! could that be a double bluff?

Black Guardian · 07-04-2008, 21:51

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Originally Posted by The Slug

I don't think either Medusa Cascade or Shadow Proclamation would 'give away too much' as RTD claimed the Ep 12 title would.

But I do like the idea that the Shadow Proclamation could be part of something that started and ended RTD's stewardship of the show. So maybe it won't be part of this year's finale (no room in the Tardis) but perhaps in the specials or 2010 series?

did I imagine RTD saying that whatever it is was mentioned by The Master in LotTL?

Corwin · 07-04-2008, 21:52

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Originally Posted by Black Guardian

good thinking. or The Medusa Cascade? Didn't RTD say it had already been mentioned by The Master or am I thinking of something else?

I don't think he said the episode title had been said by the Master, just that "Medusa Cascade" was important.

The Shadow Proclamation or The Medusa Cascade certainly fit the three word title clue for Ep12.

As to what The Shadow Proclamation is.

We know it's a body of laws that certain planets adher to when interacting with each other.

Convention 15 allows conversation under a flag of truce.

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I seek audience with the Nestene Consciousness under peaceful contract. According to convention 15 of the Shadow Proclamation.

In "Fear Her" The Doctor again requests a truce using the SP, no mention of Convention 15 this time.

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I'm speaking to you. The entity that is using this human child. I request parley in compliance with the Shadow Proclamation.

The way it was mentioned in "Partners in Crime" sugests that as well as a code of laws the Shadow Proclamation is an organisation of some sort.

Probably something like a Galactic United Nations, but one that does have some power.

I did think that the Judoon were the enforcers of the Shadow Proclamation as the Doctor initially calls them Galactic Police.

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Galactic police. Well, police for hire. More like interplanetary thugs.

But as he then amends that to thugs for hire it seems not (at least on a regular basis).

Miss Foster did seem nervous of the Shadow Proclamation so they must have some sort of peacekeeping/police force, maybe one made up from a number of races or like I said maybe they just hire the Judoon when needed.

Black Guardian · 07-04-2008, 21:54

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Originally Posted by Corwin

I don't think he said the episode title had been said by the Master, just that "Medusa Cascade" was important.

The Shadow Proclamation or The Medusa Cascade certainly fit the three word title clue for Ep12.

As to what The Shadow Proclamation is.

We know it's a body of laws that certain planets adher to when interacting with each other.

Convention 15 allows conversation under a flag of truce.

In "Fear Her" The Doctor again requests a truce using the SP, no mention of Convention 15 this time.

The way it was mentioned in "Partners in Crime" sugests that as well as a code of laws the Shadow Proclamation is an organisation of some sort.

Probably something like a Galactic United Nations, but one that does have some power.

I did think that the Judoon were the enforcers of the Shadow Proclamation as the Doctor initially calls them Galactic Police.

But as he then amends that to thugs for hire it seems not (at least on a regular basis).

Miss Foster did seem nervous of the Shadow Proclamation so they must have some sort of peacekeeping/police force, maybe one made up from a number of races or like I said maybe they just hire the Judoon when needed.

perhaps they have been hired to hunt down a certain person?

solenoid · 07-04-2008, 21:56

It's just part of new DW - referenced now and again to give the impression that we belong to some ordered planetary network.

JohnFlawbod · 07-04-2008, 21:59

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It's just part of new DW - referenced now and again to give the impression that we belong to some ordered planetary network.

Aww, you're no fun

Go on...give us an anagram

TimCypher · 07-04-2008, 22:00

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Originally Posted by Black Guardian

ah! could that be a double bluff?

It might be in some cases, others not.

He definitely said that Billie would not be returning after 'Doomsday', then recently said her return was the plan all along.

But that might just have been prompted by a change in circumstance.

He also said that the Master (subsequent to S3 finale) would not come back - if we see him in S4, then that was definitely a deliberate lie to conceal plot-points, as he must have known the shape of the new season when he said that.

Who knows?

Regards,

Cypher

amos_brearley · 07-04-2008, 22:01

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Originally Posted by TimCypher

You might be right - they're saying it's

spoiler:
War On Skaro

...over on OG.

Is that like "Hooked On Classics" ?

Black Guardian · 07-04-2008, 22:04

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Originally Posted by TimCypher

It might be in some cases, others not.

He definitely said that Billie would not be returning after 'Doomsday', then recently said her return was the plan all along.

But that might just have been prompted by a change in circumstance.

He also said that the Master (subsequent to S3 finale) would not come back - if we see him in S4, then that was definitely a deliberate lie to conceal plot-points, as he must have known the shape of the new season when he said that.

Who knows?

Regards,

Cypher

in a few months time we will soon find out if someone's nose has grown a little longer.

JohnFlawbod · 07-04-2008, 22:08

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Originally Posted by TimCypher

It might be in some cases, others not.

He definitely said that Billie would not be returning after 'Doomsday', then recently said her return was the plan all along.

But that might just have been prompted by a change in circumstance.

He also said that the Master (subsequent to S3 finale) would not come back - if we see him in S4, then that was definitely a deliberate lie to conceal plot-points, as he must have known the shape of the new season when he said that.

Who knows?

Regards,

Cypher

Indeed...Russell delights in the childhood fantasy that all DW fans have of knowing more...after "The Parting of the Ways" he said there was nothing more to do with the Daleks...before that he said "Bad what?" Then he (allegedly) claimed he didn't like the Cybermen much...obviously he said "Rose is happy now, she's gone" and he's also quoted as saying "DW needs to look forward and not worry about it's past" and then, when all the quotes (alleged or otherwise) prove to be wrong he's sat there with a BIG grin on his face knowing that he's doing just exactly what fans want...keeping us guessing - and good for him for doing it!

Craigpugh · 07-04-2008, 22:09

on the bbc dr who website there is a little video claip "Captain jack gives the lowdomnw on the adipose" in which he says over a shot of the ship taking her off "The offspring have noe been taken into the care of the shadow proclamation"

Black Guardian · 07-04-2008, 22:11

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Originally Posted by JohnFlawbod

Indeed...Russell delights in the childhood fantasy that all DW fans have of knowing more...after "The Parting of the Ways" he said there was nothing more to do with the Daleks...before that he said "Bad what?" Then he (allegedly) claimed he didn't like the Cybermen much...obviously he said "Rose is happy now, she's gone" and he's also quoted as saying "DW needs to look forward and not worry about it's past" and then, when all the quotes (alleged or otherwise) prove to be wrong he's sat there with a BIG grin on his face knowing that he's doing just exactly what fans want...keeping us guessing - and good for him for doing it!

so when he starts saying The Kandyman was rubbish we should get worried?

TimCypher · 07-04-2008, 22:14

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Originally Posted by Black Guardian

so when he starts saying The Kandyman was rubbish we should get worried?

LMAO!

I do actually believe him when he said the S4 finale was going to be 'fanwanky', tho'...

Regards,

Cypher

07-04-2008, 20:51	#1
JohnFlawbod Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: City of London Services: Freeview Posts: 2,265	The Shadow Proclamation - longest of story arcs? First cited in "Rose" last cited in "Partners in Crime"...heading towards an inevitable tragedy (so we are led to believe)...red herring? Or the longest of story arcs ever that no one paid any attention to along the way? And if so: what is/are "The Shadow Proclamation"... Partial anagrams include: Time Lords Rose (obviously) The Doctor is a pawn So...surely RTD couldn't have been this far-sighted from episode one could he?

07-04-2008, 21:05	#2
GlennDines123 Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 198	Very Good point! There so much we just dont know!

07-04-2008, 21:16	#4
TimCypher Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,003	Wonder if 'The Shadow Proclamation' is the missing ep 12 episode title..three words, none beginning with 'D'. Regards, Cypher

07-04-2008, 21:36	#10
The Slug Forum Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Birmingham Services: As a service to the community, Dr Who poll stats are on my home page! Posts: 4,049	I don't think either Medusa Cascade or Shadow Proclamation would 'give away too much' as RTD claimed the Ep 12 title would. But I do like the idea that the Shadow Proclamation could be part of something that started and ended RTD's stewardship of the show. So maybe it won't be part of this year's finale (no room in the Tardis) but perhaps in the specials or 2010 series?

07-04-2008, 21:56	#17
solenoid Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,447 Blog Entries: 2	It's just part of new DW - referenced now and again to give the impression that we belong to some ordered planetary network.

07-04-2008, 22:09	#23
Craigpugh Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 210	on the bbc dr who website there is a little video claip "Captain jack gives the lowdomnw on the adipose" in which he says over a shot of the ship taking her off "The offspring have noe been taken into the care of the shadow proclamation"