Best LOST theory I've read - Cult

Jamboboy72 · 03-03-2009, 01:06

Posted this on another thread. But I believe it deserves a thread of its own.

Found this while looking on the net for different theories for what is happening in LOST. This is the best I have ever read

The Analysis

Here’s the analysis: There is a seeming paradox in the metaphysics of LOST. The Valenzetti Equation purports to predict the exact time of the end of the world with 100% accuracy. The end of the world can be predicted with 100% accuracy only if the end of the world and its timing are predetermined. In other words, the Equation presupposes a completely deterministic universe.

Mrs. Hawking’s explanation of the universe, however, indicates that the timing of events can be changed (the timing of the death of the man in Desmond’s vision, or the timing of Charlie’s death, for example). But, according to Hawking, there is a direction in which the universe “should” go. If the time of a particular event is changed, the universe will “course correct” to insure that the event happens anyway.

The synthesis of these two cosmologies lies in a universe of “determinism with wiggle room.” By that, I mean the universe is such that its time line moves along a predictable course (hence a Valenzetti equation is possible). The timeline can be changed by a force that acts outside the timeline itself, but even such a force can affect only the timing of events. It cannot affect the outcome.

The timeline is thus like a river that ends in a waterfall. If you drift down the river, you will go over the waterfall eventually. An outside force (the wind, an oar) can change your course and delay the crash, but cannot prevent it altogether.

There is also another seeming paradox in the LOST mythology. In the ARG, Alvar Hanso claims that, in the Cuban Missile Crisis, the world was brought to the “brink of annihilation” by the US/USSR strategy of “Mutually Assured Destruction” (MAD). This is historically inaccurate. The truth is that MAD did not bring the world to the brink of destruction. It actually PREVENTED the world from going over the brink.

MAD is a result of a branch of mathematics called game theory. Game Theory was created by a Princeton mathematician named Jon Von Neumann, and elaborated by another Princeton mathematician, John Nash. The MAD strategy is simply an application of a result of game theory known as the Nash Equilibrium. Prior to the formulation of game theory, the recommended approach to nuclear war was a pre-emptive strike by whoever happened to have the advantage in firepower (See Kahn, On Thermonuclear War).

Game theory predicts that the best approach would be to allow both sides to build a large enough nuclear arsenal to destroy its opponent even with a retaliatory strike. Von Neumann was initially a self-described militarist who had assisted in the creation of the atomic bomb and the computer programs that gave the US a huge first strike advantage. (He is also associated in popular conspiracy theory with the use of electromagnetism to power time travel. Sound familiar?)

After he came up with game theory, he changed his position, advocating a balance of power between the US and USSR. This actually came about, with a huge and rapid build-up of nuclear power by the USSR. The resulting balance of power-the optimum strategy recommended by MAD-gave both sides a reason to negotiate a solution to the Cuban Missile Crisis, thus averting destruction.

Valenzetti was a “reclusive Princeton mathematician.” This means that he would have worked in the same department of the same university as Von Neumann and Nash. In fact, he is canonically described as being close to Nash and another Princeton faculty member, the master of space/time, Albert Einstein.

Suppose Valenzetti had completed his Equation and realized that the world should already have ended. Since his equation takes into account all variables operating within the timeline, he would quickly surmise that the destruction could have been averted only by the action of some variable that operated OUTSIDE the normal timeline, a factor for which his equation could not account. The fate of the world would thus hang on the identification of that factor.

It not would take long for Valenzetti to realize that the “turning point” came when the worldview of strategists on both sides changed from one of pre-emptive strike to one of MAD. In other words, the events that saved to world occurred right down the hall from his office.

He would also realize that the math alone would not change the world. Things would have to happen in the real world in such a way that the USSR could build up it nuclear forces to a level sufficient to overcome the USA then overwhelming advantage, and that the build-up would have to happen rapidly before the first strike was launched.

The remaining questions for Valenzetti would be: “What is this force that moves outside the normal timeline and that was strong enough to change the course of history?” And “What do we do now to forestall the End as long as possible?”

(To Be Continued)

Jamboboy72 · 03-03-2009, 01:07

Valenzetti and the Origins of Dharma

Along comes Alvar Hanso. He reads Valenzetti’s conclusions, namely that the World nearly should have come to an end in 1962, and that the World is now “off course” and headed for destruction. He realizes that the identification of a force that can operate outside the timeline is critical to saving the world, both in 1962 and the future. He recalls the tales, from Magnus Hanso, of a power source on a mysterious island in the Pacific.

Alvar puts two and two together, and decides that the Island might hold the key. He forms the Dharma Initiative with two stated purposes-identify a force that can move through time (the “Valenzetti Research” on the blast door) and forestall end as long as possible.

When Alvar and the Dharma Project arrive on the Island, they discover that Jacob and the Others are already present. The “force” that can change the course of history is, in fact, the electromagnetic power source that is present on the Island. It can be controlled only by “special” people, who have a mental connection with the power source.

A “special” person, when in proximity to the power source, can manipulate events without regard to temporal and spatial distance. In other words, a “special” person can control things across space and time.

“Specialness” has both a genetic and environmental component. Some people are more “special” than others. The genetic component is carried on a recessive gene that occurs only in persons who are descendants of the original race that occupied the island (this gene also carries the trait of having four toes). The environmental component occurs as a result of proximity to the island power source, or a similar power source. A person is special to the extent that he 1. carries the genetic material of the original inhabitants 2. is conceived, grows up and/or reaches puberty on the island, or near a similar power source. (Walt, for example, is special. He may carry the gene for specialness. He may also reach puberty on the Island in the future. His powers first manifest in Australia, which contains a similar power source, the one at Uluru.)

Jacob, hooked into the Island’s power source, is the helmsman of the world. He and the Island are Desmond to the World’s Charlie. It was he who manipulated events in 1962 to avoid the destruction of the World. But, in so doing, he set the world “off course.” Now, like Desmond protecting Charlie, he has to constantly steer events to avoid the inevitable crash. (It would take a lot more power to change the course of the World than to change the course of one man’s life, just as it would take more power to change the course a ship than to change the course of a little dinghy. I’m sure we can all agree that Charlie was a little dinghy.)

The remaining questions, then, are: Where Did Jacob come from and who, or what is the force that is trying to stop him?

(To Be Continued)

Jamboboy72 · 03-03-2009, 01:08

The Circle

As to Jacob’s origin: Jacob/the Island’s powers apparently allow for time travel. Kate is pregnant. Jacob is her son. Jacob is the “him” to whom she refers in the last scene of “Looking Glass.” (Haven’t we always referred to Jacob as “Him?”).

Jack and Kate, with baby Jacob, return to the Island. There, present day (adult) Jacob returns Jack, Kate and his young self to the years before 1962, where Jacob matures (on the Island) and grows in power. He then subtly manipulates world events so that the Cuban Missile crisis didn’t destroy the world. Having done so, however, he has pushed the world off course and must remain on the Island constantly steering the world away from the other doomsday scenarios predicted by Valenzetti.

Jack, Kate and the others (literally) who came through time with Jacob must remain on the Island (to avoid running into their real time selves) and to care for Jacob. They are the original inhabitants of the Island who encounter the Dharma Initiative. They know what the Dharma Initiative does not, namely that Jacob is the solution to the very problem that Dharma was sent to solve. Their conflict arises from the Other’s fear that Dharma’s research will eventually disrupt Jacob’s work. Hence the Purge.

Eventually, and probably as a result of the conflict, Jack and Kate pass away in the Cave only to be found later by themselves as Adam and Eve.

The last question, then, is who is the Opposition? It certainly could be corporate or military types who was to exploit the secrets of the Island, But that would be a disappointing cliché.

My thought: The Opposition is a mirror image of Jacob and the Others. In Mrs. Hawking’s universe, anyone who steers the world away from one crisis necessarily steers it toward another. If you had only part of the picture, it would be easy to see Jacob as the problem, rather than the solution. Jacob’s meddling could be blamed for all potential world-destroying scenarios foreseen by Valenzetti (environmental disaster, disease, overpopulation.) (Or, at least, someone who wanted to take over Jacob’s power could convince others that this was the case.) The Opposition is simply a group that sees matters from a different perspective (Much as the Survivors and Others saw each other as evil because of their different perspectives.)

The Opposition operates from a power source similar to, but less powerful than the Island. At the head of the Opposition is another “special” person who is, in fact, Jacob’s brother.

So Kate is pregnant. She is pregnant with twins. One is Jacob. The other is the first-born, stronger twin, Esau (Esau was Jacob’s brother in the Bible.)

But here’s the twist: Jacob and Esau’s father is not Jack (nor even Sawyer). Kate was pregnant when she got on the plane. The father is Isaac of Uluru.

Here’s why that makes sense: The power to control the power source on the Island is at least partly inherited. Isaac explained to Rose that Uluru is such a power source, and that there are similar sources elsewhere. Isaac is the only person that we know of so far who has the ability to hook into these power sources. Thus, if Isaac is Jacob’s father, he has a greater chance of inheriting that power.

Second, if Kate met Isaac at Uluru, that means that Jacob would have been conceived near a power source, which would enhance his power in the future. But, he would have been conceived off-Island, which means Kate would not be in danger of dying in child birth. Third, Jacob would have gestated on the Island, thus further enhancing his power. Finally, if my time-travel scenario is correct, baby Jacob would spend his entire life on the Island, thus enhancing his rapport with the Island power source even more.

(To Be Continued)

Jamboboy72 · 03-03-2009, 01:09

The Evidence

Here is the circumstantial evidence for the Kate’s pre-flight pregnancy, the existence of the twin, and the theory in general, in no particular order:

In the Bible, Jacob has a twin, Esau. Issac is their father. Both Jacob and Esau found nations, one good, one evil. They are at war throughout their lives.

TBTB have emphasized that the Adam & Eve scene is important and is choreographed to prove that the whole story arc was planned.

In the Adam & Eve scene, Jack says that A&E have been there for about “40 to 50 years.” Thus, the timing is right. If Kate and Jack went back to the time of the Missile Crisis, they would have arrived between 40 and 50 years earlier.

It is Jack who takes the black and white stones from Adam. As far as we know, they are still in Jack’s possession. Thus, in taking the stones, Jack completes a circle in time. LOST was originally entitled “The Circle.”

When Kate hands Sun the pregnancy test, Kate asks, rhetorically, “Who would bring a pregnancy test on an airplane?” The answer, presumably, would be Kate, herself. Kate also mentions that she has taken a pregnancy test before.

It has been announced that a new character code named “Russell” will appear. “Russell” is described as a brilliant but emotionally troubled mathematician. John Nash, who formulated the basis for MAD is a brilliant but emotionally troubled mathematician.

He was played in the movie “A Beautiful Mind” by “Russell” Crowe. Could the choice of a code name be coincidence, or is “Russell” a fictional version of Nash? Also, one episode this season is titled “The Constant” which also suggests a mathematical theme.

Finally, if you like to play with the “numbers,” consider this: The Cuban Missile Crisis began in the middle of the day on October 15 (!), 1962. The first full day of the Crisis was October 16 (!).

Flight 815 crashed in the middle of the day of September 22, 2004. The first full day on the Island was September 23 (!).

23 (!) days after the crash is October 15, 2004 is 42nd (!) anniversary of the beginning of the Crisis.

23 (!) days after the first full day on the Island is October 16 (!), 2004, the 42nd (!) anniversary of the first full day of the Crisis.

· This leaves me with just one question: If Jack is Adam, that means that Jack has the stones only because he got them from Adam, and Adam has the stones only because he got them from Jack. So, where did the stones come from in the first place?

ENDS

Human123 · 03-03-2009, 01:12

nah..........

already wrong from the fact that kate doesnt have a child, unless you mean aaron, who never came back to the island anyway..?

Jamboboy72 · 03-03-2009, 01:14

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Originally Posted by Human123

nah..........

already wrong from the fact that kate doesnt have a child, unless you mean aaron, who never came back to the island anyway..?

You obviousily didn't read it all.....

Digital Sid · 03-03-2009, 01:17

Never watched a full series of LOST and from reading this theory, I think I'll give it a miss, my brain's hurting lol.

JCR · 03-03-2009, 01:18

Given that there's an uluru monster already around in heroes, I can't see one turning up in lost.

freesatfan · 03-03-2009, 01:55

and heres me thinking its all in hurleys head

OnexOne · 03-03-2009, 02:11

excellent post, making me view 'Lost' with some more belief now!

Blake Connolly · 03-03-2009, 07:30

Interesting post, but the Kate stuff is a bit out of date (although you could substitute Oceanic 815 with Ajira 316, and say Jack is the father, and it would fit).

Assa2 · 03-03-2009, 09:31

This theory was conceived before Widmore's team arrived on the freighter and the O6 left the island. All the stuff about Kate being pregnant is wrong unless she has got herself pregnant before returning, but then jack would be the father. 'Russel' is Daniel Faraday. All the science is interesting but how it all relates to the plot is suspect.

Ber · 03-03-2009, 09:44

So Kate has had the longest pregnancy in history then and doesn't remember having sex with Isaac?

Rolypolymoly · 03-03-2009, 10:11

Can someone remind me who is Isaac?

..and thanks Jamboboy72 for posting this as I hadn't seen it before. Very interesting!

Jamboboy72 · 03-03-2009, 10:33

continues.......

''As to Kate's pregnancy and the identity of Daddy: It is at least plausible that Issac is the father. We don't know that Kate stayed down on the farm 24/7. She may have heard of Isaac and taken a side trip to Uluru in search of some Emotional Rescue.

Anyhow, the rest of the theory stands even if Isaac is not the father. But, the idea does have some virtues. It explains a lot: If Kate were pregnant before she got on the plane, she could give birth on the Island without dying in child birth. If the child were conceived near a power source similar to that on the Island, i.e. Uluru, his "specialness" would be enhanced, and, if he were a blood relative of someone with proved "special" powers (Isaac), he (Kate's child) would be very special indeed.

It would also explain Kate's cryptic remarks to Sun i.e., "I have taken a pregnancy test once" and "who would bring a pregnancy test on an airplane?"

Also, I like the Biblical overtones of Issac giving birth Jacob (and his brother Esau). In the Bible, Jacob and Esau go on to found two nations, one good, one evil. The nations are at war constantly. It just makes for good storytelling.

As far as the Shepard line containing a genetic component for "specialness:" There is one part of my theory that I did not mention. As I said, I believe that Jacob, and, possibly, some other force, are manipulating the time line and have been since the '50's. I believe that part of that manipulation involved packing Flight 815 with the people who ultimately carry out the time loop scenario (another of many "circles" or predestination paradoxes). The flight roster contained many people who could potentially give birth to, or grow up to be, "special." (This is the reason for the Others' interest in children and pregnant women. Walt is the furthest along in his maturation (note that is powers began to manifest in Australia, near a power source) and therefore of most interest.)

If, as I believe, BOTH sides were packing the passenger list, there would be "good" people (those who will turn out to follow Jacob) and "bad" people, those who will follow the Opposition, on the plane. The "good" people are those whom Jacob "arranged" to put on the plane, the persons who are on "Jacob's List."

It cannot be coincidence that ALL FOUR of the people in Australia who carried Shepard DNA were on the same flight! (Going back to the Biblical theme, I note that Claire was introduced to the psychic Richard Malkin by her friend, Rachel. Rachel in the Bible is the wife of Jacob. After Jacob married Rachel, he spent 7 years working for Rachel's father as a "shepherd." In the Bible, it says that these 7 years "seemed like but a few days" to Jacob. Sounds like time dialation to me!)

Of course, there are many alternative theories. One very parsimonious theory would be that Kate's "him" is Aaron. Aaron is obviously very special. (The Others clearly think so). He was conceived in Australia, so near a power source. He gestated (for a while) and was born on the Island and is maturing there. He carries the Shepard DNA.

It could be, therefore, that Aaron will ultimately become Jacob.

So many possibilities, but I think the theory still hold up in any event''.

arjaco1 · 03-03-2009, 10:44

I kind of think its a bit too much!

Its a good theory but it seems a bit to um, confusing haha! I think i'll stick to Hurleys head

Jamboboy72 · 03-03-2009, 10:46

and it continues and gets better.....

''The crash of 815 was the product of the tug of war. I believe that 815 was, indeed, supposed to land, not crash. It has always intrigued me that Ben was not the least bit surprised to see a plane, but did seem to formulate his plan to deal with the crash on the spur of the moment.

Also, this makes Juliet's cryptic, and seemingly joking, remark to Sawyer in "Looking Glass" that we were "building a runway" all the more interesting. It implies, at the very least, that there is an area on the Island suitable for a runway.

Could it be that Ben told the Others to build a runway because a large plane would need to land, and that, when the plane crashed, he had to continue the project so that the Others would no lose faith in his (Jacob's) prophecy?

In this light, Desmond's role as (unwitting) avatar on the Island for the Opposition also becomes more clear. Obviously, the Opposition wants to get onto the Island and are blocked from doing so.

There have been three occasions (that we know of) when the Island has been in contact with the outside world: During the "system failure" that led to the crash, when Swan imploded and the sky turned purple, and when Charlie shut down the Looking Glass station.

Desmond was directly responsible for all three. And, Desmond is the only one (that we know of) who has had a "visitation" from the course correctors.

In short, it seems that Jacob wanted the plane to land on the Island. It was loaded with "special" people: Locke, who will help Jacob; Jack, who saved Ben. The Opposition did not. They already had their agent on the Island, in the form of Desmond. What actually happened is, if you will, the vector sum of the two contending forces.

Which brings me to the implications of "Beginning of the End." 'while we don't have much information yet, I think we can glean the following: BOTH sides want the Island kept secret from the outside world. You can understand why this is true.

If the governments of the world found out that two psychics were manipulating the time line, they would want to shut both down and take things over themselves. It was governments who created the need for changing the timeline in the first place.

The "lie" that the Oceanic 6 are telling is that none of what we have observed happened. The story that they are probably telling is that only they survived because they found a small, uninhabited island where they ate nuts and berries until a freighter came along. Everyone else is dead.

They probably accepted some sort of bribe to keep their mouths shut. Kate had the most to gain, and may have gotten a pardon or suspended sentence in exchange for her silence, thus explaining why she is not in prison facing the death penalty.

The kicker is that people are beginning to suspect the lie. There are those out there who see the loss of 815 as a "conspiracy" or the work of a "higher power." Hence, Ana Lucia's partner's obvious conclusion that Hurley was "seeing" someone whose vision haunted him''.

Assa2 · 03-03-2009, 10:57

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Originally Posted by Jamboboy72

continues.......

''As to Kate's pregnancy and the identity of Daddy: It is at least plausible that Issac is the father. We don't know that Kate stayed down on the farm 24/7. She may have heard of Isaac and taken a side trip to Uluru in search of some Emotional Rescue.

Anyhow, the rest of the theory stands even if Isaac is not the father. But, the idea does have some virtues. It explains a lot: If Kate were pregnant before she got on the plane, she could give birth on the Island without dying in child birth. If the child were conceived near a power source similar to that on the Island, i.e. Uluru, his "specialness" would be enhanced, and, if he were a blood relative of someone with proved "special" powers (Isaac), he (Kate's child) would be very special indeed.

It would also explain Kate's cryptic remarks to Sun i.e., "I have taken a pregnancy test once" and "who would bring a pregnancy test on an airplane?"

Why are you ignoring the fact that Kate WAS NOT PREGNANT!!!

I might consider the idea that Aaron is Jacob and that ultimately Jack & Kate time travel back in time with Aaron and bring him up alone, becoming Adam & Eve and leaving Aaron/Jacob to 'run' the island. The question then would be, is Christian the off-island persona of Aaron/Jacob? That would make Aaron/Jacob/Christian Jack's father & nephew & Claire's father & son. Claire's boyfriend (Aaron's father) would therefore be Jack's grandfather, who we saw two episodes ago...

Shucks, another good theory debunked!

Assa2 · 03-03-2009, 11:03

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Originally Posted by Jamboboy72

The "lie" that the Oceanic 6 are telling is that none of what we have observed happened. The story that they are probably telling is that only they survived because they found a small, uninhabited island where they ate nuts and berries until a freighter came along. Everyone else is dead.

They probably accepted some sort of bribe to keep their mouths shut. Kate had the most to gain, and may have gotten a pardon or suspended sentence in exchange for her silence, thus explaining why she is not in prison facing the death penalty.

The kicker is that people are beginning to suspect the lie. There are those out there who see the loss of 815 as a "conspiracy" or the work of a "higher power." Hence, Ana Lucia's partner's obvious conclusion that Hurley was "seeing" someone whose vision haunted him''.

You are aware that there's a new series of Lost that started a few weeks ago, aren't you? You might want to go back and rework your theory based on the new information.

mootpoint · 03-03-2009, 11:05

my theory is that they have all shrunk, and the island is only 1mm wide

Jamboboy72 · 03-03-2009, 11:09

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Originally Posted by Assa2

You are aware that there's a new series of Lost that started a few weeks ago, aren't you? You might want to go back and rework your theory based on the new information.

I'm very much aware of that. It's not my theory as I have pointed out. Are there holes in this theory? Yes.

"Kate is pregnant'' is not an essential part of the theory.

But it has been well thought out and I believe that, generally, it is a cracking theory and won't be too far away from the answer.

I could be wrong......

Ber · 03-03-2009, 11:17

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Originally Posted by Jamboboy72

I'm very much aware of that. It's not my theory as I have pointed out. Are there holes in this theory? Yes.

But it has been well thought out and I believe that, generally, it is a cracking theory and won't be too far away from the answer.

I could be wrong......

Holes?

Its quite clear that Kate was not pregnant when she got on the plane as it has been over 3 years and she's not yet given birth!

Mandark · 03-03-2009, 11:19

The problem with the theory is that it's too complicated. The writers claim they had a plot all laid out but I simply don't believe them.

After season 3, the fans and critics complained that we weren't really learning anything, so the writers suddenly start providing some explanations to what's going on and how people arrived on the island and the links between the real world and the island. That was done to meet viewer expectations.

The truth is they're making it up season by season and there is no great logic to it. But hey, it's fun to speculate.

Jamboboy72 · 03-03-2009, 11:22

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Originally Posted by Ber

Holes?

Its quite clear that Kate was not pregnant when she got on the plane as it has been over 3 years and she's not yet given birth!

''Kate is preggers'' is not the essential part of the theory.

Jamboboy72 · 03-03-2009, 11:25

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Originally Posted by Mandark

The problem with the theory is that it's too complicated. The writers claim they had a plot all laid out but I simply don't believe them.

After season 3, the fans and critics complained that we weren't really learning anything, so the writers suddenly start providing some explanations to what's going on and how people arrived on the island and the links between the real world and the island. That was done to meet viewer expectations.

The truth is they're making it up season by season and there is no great logic to it. But hey, it's fun to speculate.

The TV company had a cash cow on their hands and put pressure on the writers to stretch it out. They had intended for the show to have ended by now.

Money men got their way.

03-03-2009, 01:06	#1
Jamboboy72 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 61	Best LOST theory I've read Posted this on another thread. But I believe it deserves a thread of its own. Found this while looking on the net for different theories for what is happening in LOST. This is the best I have ever read The Analysis Here’s the analysis: There is a seeming paradox in the metaphysics of LOST. The Valenzetti Equation purports to predict the exact time of the end of the world with 100% accuracy. The end of the world can be predicted with 100% accuracy only if the end of the world and its timing are predetermined. In other words, the Equation presupposes a completely deterministic universe. Mrs. Hawking’s explanation of the universe, however, indicates that the timing of events can be changed (the timing of the death of the man in Desmond’s vision, or the timing of Charlie’s death, for example). But, according to Hawking, there is a direction in which the universe “should” go. If the time of a particular event is changed, the universe will “course correct” to insure that the event happens anyway. The synthesis of these two cosmologies lies in a universe of “determinism with wiggle room.” By that, I mean the universe is such that its time line moves along a predictable course (hence a Valenzetti equation is possible). The timeline can be changed by a force that acts outside the timeline itself, but even such a force can affect only the timing of events. It cannot affect the outcome. The timeline is thus like a river that ends in a waterfall. If you drift down the river, you will go over the waterfall eventually. An outside force (the wind, an oar) can change your course and delay the crash, but cannot prevent it altogether. There is also another seeming paradox in the LOST mythology. In the ARG, Alvar Hanso claims that, in the Cuban Missile Crisis, the world was brought to the “brink of annihilation” by the US/USSR strategy of “Mutually Assured Destruction” (MAD). This is historically inaccurate. The truth is that MAD did not bring the world to the brink of destruction. It actually PREVENTED the world from going over the brink. MAD is a result of a branch of mathematics called game theory. Game Theory was created by a Princeton mathematician named Jon Von Neumann, and elaborated by another Princeton mathematician, John Nash. The MAD strategy is simply an application of a result of game theory known as the Nash Equilibrium. Prior to the formulation of game theory, the recommended approach to nuclear war was a pre-emptive strike by whoever happened to have the advantage in firepower (See Kahn, On Thermonuclear War). Game theory predicts that the best approach would be to allow both sides to build a large enough nuclear arsenal to destroy its opponent even with a retaliatory strike. Von Neumann was initially a self-described militarist who had assisted in the creation of the atomic bomb and the computer programs that gave the US a huge first strike advantage. (He is also associated in popular conspiracy theory with the use of electromagnetism to power time travel. Sound familiar?) After he came up with game theory, he changed his position, advocating a balance of power between the US and USSR. This actually came about, with a huge and rapid build-up of nuclear power by the USSR. The resulting balance of power-the optimum strategy recommended by MAD-gave both sides a reason to negotiate a solution to the Cuban Missile Crisis, thus averting destruction. Valenzetti was a “reclusive Princeton mathematician.” This means that he would have worked in the same department of the same university as Von Neumann and Nash. In fact, he is canonically described as being close to Nash and another Princeton faculty member, the master of space/time, Albert Einstein. Suppose Valenzetti had completed his Equation and realized that the world should already have ended. Since his equation takes into account all variables operating within the timeline, he would quickly surmise that the destruction could have been averted only by the action of some variable that operated OUTSIDE the normal timeline, a factor for which his equation could not account. The fate of the world would thus hang on the identification of that factor. It not would take long for Valenzetti to realize that the “turning point” came when the worldview of strategists on both sides changed from one of pre-emptive strike to one of MAD. In other words, the events that saved to world occurred right down the hall from his office. He would also realize that the math alone would not change the world. Things would have to happen in the real world in such a way that the USSR could build up it nuclear forces to a level sufficient to overcome the USA then overwhelming advantage, and that the build-up would have to happen rapidly before the first strike was launched. The remaining questions for Valenzetti would be: “What is this force that moves outside the normal timeline and that was strong enough to change the course of history?” And “What do we do now to forestall the End as long as possible?” (To Be Continued)

03-03-2009, 01:07	#2
Jamboboy72 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 61	Valenzetti and the Origins of Dharma Along comes Alvar Hanso. He reads Valenzetti’s conclusions, namely that the World nearly should have come to an end in 1962, and that the World is now “off course” and headed for destruction. He realizes that the identification of a force that can operate outside the timeline is critical to saving the world, both in 1962 and the future. He recalls the tales, from Magnus Hanso, of a power source on a mysterious island in the Pacific. Alvar puts two and two together, and decides that the Island might hold the key. He forms the Dharma Initiative with two stated purposes-identify a force that can move through time (the “Valenzetti Research” on the blast door) and forestall end as long as possible. When Alvar and the Dharma Project arrive on the Island, they discover that Jacob and the Others are already present. The “force” that can change the course of history is, in fact, the electromagnetic power source that is present on the Island. It can be controlled only by “special” people, who have a mental connection with the power source. A “special” person, when in proximity to the power source, can manipulate events without regard to temporal and spatial distance. In other words, a “special” person can control things across space and time. “Specialness” has both a genetic and environmental component. Some people are more “special” than others. The genetic component is carried on a recessive gene that occurs only in persons who are descendants of the original race that occupied the island (this gene also carries the trait of having four toes). The environmental component occurs as a result of proximity to the island power source, or a similar power source. A person is special to the extent that he 1. carries the genetic material of the original inhabitants 2. is conceived, grows up and/or reaches puberty on the island, or near a similar power source. (Walt, for example, is special. He may carry the gene for specialness. He may also reach puberty on the Island in the future. His powers first manifest in Australia, which contains a similar power source, the one at Uluru.) Jacob, hooked into the Island’s power source, is the helmsman of the world. He and the Island are Desmond to the World’s Charlie. It was he who manipulated events in 1962 to avoid the destruction of the World. But, in so doing, he set the world “off course.” Now, like Desmond protecting Charlie, he has to constantly steer events to avoid the inevitable crash. (It would take a lot more power to change the course of the World than to change the course of one man’s life, just as it would take more power to change the course a ship than to change the course of a little dinghy. I’m sure we can all agree that Charlie was a little dinghy.) The remaining questions, then, are: Where Did Jacob come from and who, or what is the force that is trying to stop him? (To Be Continued)

03-03-2009, 01:08	#3
Jamboboy72 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 61	The Circle As to Jacob’s origin: Jacob/the Island’s powers apparently allow for time travel. Kate is pregnant. Jacob is her son. Jacob is the “him” to whom she refers in the last scene of “Looking Glass.” (Haven’t we always referred to Jacob as “Him?”). Jack and Kate, with baby Jacob, return to the Island. There, present day (adult) Jacob returns Jack, Kate and his young self to the years before 1962, where Jacob matures (on the Island) and grows in power. He then subtly manipulates world events so that the Cuban Missile crisis didn’t destroy the world. Having done so, however, he has pushed the world off course and must remain on the Island constantly steering the world away from the other doomsday scenarios predicted by Valenzetti. Jack, Kate and the others (literally) who came through time with Jacob must remain on the Island (to avoid running into their real time selves) and to care for Jacob. They are the original inhabitants of the Island who encounter the Dharma Initiative. They know what the Dharma Initiative does not, namely that Jacob is the solution to the very problem that Dharma was sent to solve. Their conflict arises from the Other’s fear that Dharma’s research will eventually disrupt Jacob’s work. Hence the Purge. Eventually, and probably as a result of the conflict, Jack and Kate pass away in the Cave only to be found later by themselves as Adam and Eve. The last question, then, is who is the Opposition? It certainly could be corporate or military types who was to exploit the secrets of the Island, But that would be a disappointing cliché. My thought: The Opposition is a mirror image of Jacob and the Others. In Mrs. Hawking’s universe, anyone who steers the world away from one crisis necessarily steers it toward another. If you had only part of the picture, it would be easy to see Jacob as the problem, rather than the solution. Jacob’s meddling could be blamed for all potential world-destroying scenarios foreseen by Valenzetti (environmental disaster, disease, overpopulation.) (Or, at least, someone who wanted to take over Jacob’s power could convince others that this was the case.) The Opposition is simply a group that sees matters from a different perspective (Much as the Survivors and Others saw each other as evil because of their different perspectives.) The Opposition operates from a power source similar to, but less powerful than the Island. At the head of the Opposition is another “special” person who is, in fact, Jacob’s brother. So Kate is pregnant. She is pregnant with twins. One is Jacob. The other is the first-born, stronger twin, Esau (Esau was Jacob’s brother in the Bible.) But here’s the twist: Jacob and Esau’s father is not Jack (nor even Sawyer). Kate was pregnant when she got on the plane. The father is Isaac of Uluru. Here’s why that makes sense: The power to control the power source on the Island is at least partly inherited. Isaac explained to Rose that Uluru is such a power source, and that there are similar sources elsewhere. Isaac is the only person that we know of so far who has the ability to hook into these power sources. Thus, if Isaac is Jacob’s father, he has a greater chance of inheriting that power. Second, if Kate met Isaac at Uluru, that means that Jacob would have been conceived near a power source, which would enhance his power in the future. But, he would have been conceived off-Island, which means Kate would not be in danger of dying in child birth. Third, Jacob would have gestated on the Island, thus further enhancing his power. Finally, if my time-travel scenario is correct, baby Jacob would spend his entire life on the Island, thus enhancing his rapport with the Island power source even more. (To Be Continued)

03-03-2009, 01:09	#4
Jamboboy72 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 61	The Evidence Here is the circumstantial evidence for the Kate’s pre-flight pregnancy, the existence of the twin, and the theory in general, in no particular order: In the Bible, Jacob has a twin, Esau. Issac is their father. Both Jacob and Esau found nations, one good, one evil. They are at war throughout their lives. TBTB have emphasized that the Adam & Eve scene is important and is choreographed to prove that the whole story arc was planned. In the Adam & Eve scene, Jack says that A&E have been there for about “40 to 50 years.” Thus, the timing is right. If Kate and Jack went back to the time of the Missile Crisis, they would have arrived between 40 and 50 years earlier. It is Jack who takes the black and white stones from Adam. As far as we know, they are still in Jack’s possession. Thus, in taking the stones, Jack completes a circle in time. LOST was originally entitled “The Circle.” When Kate hands Sun the pregnancy test, Kate asks, rhetorically, “Who would bring a pregnancy test on an airplane?” The answer, presumably, would be Kate, herself. Kate also mentions that she has taken a pregnancy test before. It has been announced that a new character code named “Russell” will appear. “Russell” is described as a brilliant but emotionally troubled mathematician. John Nash, who formulated the basis for MAD is a brilliant but emotionally troubled mathematician. He was played in the movie “A Beautiful Mind” by “Russell” Crowe. Could the choice of a code name be coincidence, or is “Russell” a fictional version of Nash? Also, one episode this season is titled “The Constant” which also suggests a mathematical theme. Finally, if you like to play with the “numbers,” consider this: The Cuban Missile Crisis began in the middle of the day on October 15 (!), 1962. The first full day of the Crisis was October 16 (!). Flight 815 crashed in the middle of the day of September 22, 2004. The first full day on the Island was September 23 (!). 23 (!) days after the crash is October 15, 2004 is 42nd (!) anniversary of the beginning of the Crisis. 23 (!) days after the first full day on the Island is October 16 (!), 2004, the 42nd (!) anniversary of the first full day of the Crisis. · This leaves me with just one question: If Jack is Adam, that means that Jack has the stones only because he got them from Adam, and Adam has the stones only because he got them from Jack. So, where did the stones come from in the first place? ENDS

03-03-2009, 01:12	#5
Human123 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 348	nah.......... already wrong from the fact that kate doesnt have a child, unless you mean aaron, who never came back to the island anyway..?

03-03-2009, 01:17	#7
Digital Sid Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Gender: Male Location: Cardiff Services: Twitter Posts: 16,169 Blog Entries: 2	Never watched a full series of LOST and from reading this theory, I think I'll give it a miss, my brain's hurting lol.

03-03-2009, 01:18	#8
JCR Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland, UK Posts: 6,134	Given that there's an uluru monster already around in heroes, I can't see one turning up in lost.

03-03-2009, 01:55	#9
freesatfan Inactive Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,639	and heres me thinking its all in hurleys head

03-03-2009, 02:11	#10
OnexOne Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ayrshire Services: sky+ Posts: 2,048	excellent post, making me view 'Lost' with some more belief now!

03-03-2009, 07:30	#11
Blake Connolly Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North London Services: Sky HD, Sky BB, PS3 Posts: 8,968	Interesting post, but the Kate stuff is a bit out of date (although you could substitute Oceanic 815 with Ajira 316, and say Jack is the father, and it would fit).

03-03-2009, 09:31	#12
Assa2 Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Solihull Services: Sky+HD, Sky+, O2 20mbps Posts: 2,654	This theory was conceived before Widmore's team arrived on the freighter and the O6 left the island. All the stuff about Kate being pregnant is wrong unless she has got herself pregnant before returning, but then jack would be the father. 'Russel' is Daniel Faraday. All the science is interesting but how it all relates to the plot is suspect.

03-03-2009, 09:44	#13
Ber Forum Member Join Date: May 2008 Gender: Female Location: Essex Posts: 6,145	So Kate has had the longest pregnancy in history then and doesn't remember having sex with Isaac?

03-03-2009, 10:11	#14
Rolypolymoly Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Maidenhead Posts: 293	Can someone remind me who is Isaac? ..and thanks Jamboboy72 for posting this as I hadn't seen it before. Very interesting!

03-03-2009, 10:33	#15
Jamboboy72 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 61	continues....... ''As to Kate's pregnancy and the identity of Daddy: It is at least plausible that Issac is the father. We don't know that Kate stayed down on the farm 24/7. She may have heard of Isaac and taken a side trip to Uluru in search of some Emotional Rescue. Anyhow, the rest of the theory stands even if Isaac is not the father. But, the idea does have some virtues. It explains a lot: If Kate were pregnant before she got on the plane, she could give birth on the Island without dying in child birth. If the child were conceived near a power source similar to that on the Island, i.e. Uluru, his "specialness" would be enhanced, and, if he were a blood relative of someone with proved "special" powers (Isaac), he (Kate's child) would be very special indeed. It would also explain Kate's cryptic remarks to Sun i.e., "I have taken a pregnancy test once" and "who would bring a pregnancy test on an airplane?" Also, I like the Biblical overtones of Issac giving birth Jacob (and his brother Esau). In the Bible, Jacob and Esau go on to found two nations, one good, one evil. The nations are at war constantly. It just makes for good storytelling. As far as the Shepard line containing a genetic component for "specialness:" There is one part of my theory that I did not mention. As I said, I believe that Jacob, and, possibly, some other force, are manipulating the time line and have been since the '50's. I believe that part of that manipulation involved packing Flight 815 with the people who ultimately carry out the time loop scenario (another of many "circles" or predestination paradoxes). The flight roster contained many people who could potentially give birth to, or grow up to be, "special." (This is the reason for the Others' interest in children and pregnant women. Walt is the furthest along in his maturation (note that is powers began to manifest in Australia, near a power source) and therefore of most interest.) If, as I believe, BOTH sides were packing the passenger list, there would be "good" people (those who will turn out to follow Jacob) and "bad" people, those who will follow the Opposition, on the plane. The "good" people are those whom Jacob "arranged" to put on the plane, the persons who are on "Jacob's List." It cannot be coincidence that ALL FOUR of the people in Australia who carried Shepard DNA were on the same flight! (Going back to the Biblical theme, I note that Claire was introduced to the psychic Richard Malkin by her friend, Rachel. Rachel in the Bible is the wife of Jacob. After Jacob married Rachel, he spent 7 years working for Rachel's father as a "shepherd." In the Bible, it says that these 7 years "seemed like but a few days" to Jacob. Sounds like time dialation to me!) Of course, there are many alternative theories. One very parsimonious theory would be that Kate's "him" is Aaron. Aaron is obviously very special. (The Others clearly think so). He was conceived in Australia, so near a power source. He gestated (for a while) and was born on the Island and is maturing there. He carries the Shepard DNA. It could be, therefore, that Aaron will ultimately become Jacob. So many possibilities, but I think the theory still hold up in any event''.

03-03-2009, 10:44	#16
arjaco1 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 555	I kind of think its a bit too much! Its a good theory but it seems a bit to um, confusing haha! I think i'll stick to Hurleys head

03-03-2009, 10:46	#17
Jamboboy72 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 61	and it continues and gets better..... ''The crash of 815 was the product of the tug of war. I believe that 815 was, indeed, supposed to land, not crash. It has always intrigued me that Ben was not the least bit surprised to see a plane, but did seem to formulate his plan to deal with the crash on the spur of the moment. Also, this makes Juliet's cryptic, and seemingly joking, remark to Sawyer in "Looking Glass" that we were "building a runway" all the more interesting. It implies, at the very least, that there is an area on the Island suitable for a runway. Could it be that Ben told the Others to build a runway because a large plane would need to land, and that, when the plane crashed, he had to continue the project so that the Others would no lose faith in his (Jacob's) prophecy? In this light, Desmond's role as (unwitting) avatar on the Island for the Opposition also becomes more clear. Obviously, the Opposition wants to get onto the Island and are blocked from doing so. There have been three occasions (that we know of) when the Island has been in contact with the outside world: During the "system failure" that led to the crash, when Swan imploded and the sky turned purple, and when Charlie shut down the Looking Glass station. Desmond was directly responsible for all three. And, Desmond is the only one (that we know of) who has had a "visitation" from the course correctors. In short, it seems that Jacob wanted the plane to land on the Island. It was loaded with "special" people: Locke, who will help Jacob; Jack, who saved Ben. The Opposition did not. They already had their agent on the Island, in the form of Desmond. What actually happened is, if you will, the vector sum of the two contending forces. Which brings me to the implications of "Beginning of the End." 'while we don't have much information yet, I think we can glean the following: BOTH sides want the Island kept secret from the outside world. You can understand why this is true. If the governments of the world found out that two psychics were manipulating the time line, they would want to shut both down and take things over themselves. It was governments who created the need for changing the timeline in the first place. The "lie" that the Oceanic 6 are telling is that none of what we have observed happened. The story that they are probably telling is that only they survived because they found a small, uninhabited island where they ate nuts and berries until a freighter came along. Everyone else is dead. They probably accepted some sort of bribe to keep their mouths shut. Kate had the most to gain, and may have gotten a pardon or suspended sentence in exchange for her silence, thus explaining why she is not in prison facing the death penalty. The kicker is that people are beginning to suspect the lie. There are those out there who see the loss of 815 as a "conspiracy" or the work of a "higher power." Hence, Ana Lucia's partner's obvious conclusion that Hurley was "seeing" someone whose vision haunted him''.

03-03-2009, 11:05	#20
mootpoint Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,405	my theory is that they have all shrunk, and the island is only 1mm wide

03-03-2009, 11:19	#23
Mandark Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Gender: Male Location: Derby Services: Sky + , Freeview, AOL Broadband 8Meg, iPhone 3G Posts: 6,253	The problem with the theory is that it's too complicated. The writers claim they had a plot all laid out but I simply don't believe them. After season 3, the fans and critics complained that we weren't really learning anything, so the writers suddenly start providing some explanations to what's going on and how people arrived on the island and the links between the real world and the island. That was done to meet viewer expectations. The truth is they're making it up season by season and there is no great logic to it. But hey, it's fun to speculate.