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Cordelia Riley, Georgia USA on October 29th, 2009
It was a great show until they killed Ianto. I am of a clear mind to think that RTD can not deal with characters when it comes to true emotional depth because of his history of killing them off when it time to put some true work into a character. BRING IANTO BACK, BRING JACK BACK KILL OF GWEN SHER ACTED LIKE A TART.
Lynne, UK on July 31st, 2009
When are results going to be posted?
Grant, Bristol on July 24th, 2009
Save Ianto!
Lynda Northern Ireland on July 22nd, 2009
Well today is Wednesday DONT KEEP ME WAITING. STILL LOVE YA ALL
Kat, Glasgow on July 21st, 2009
One last thing then I'll shut up on this subject because CoE only gets on my nerves... Suddenly Ianto is the gay character to bash, to make fun of, to eliminate in order to make Torchwood more suitable for a mainstream audience when it's always been Jack the one with the fluid sexuality, it's always been Jack the one who was "molesting" Ianto since episode 1 in season 1. Have we all forgotten Ianto's love for his Lisa? Have we all forgotten that Lisa was the reason Ianto ended up into Jack's bed to begin with? Old fans haven't and the new ones were simply not told. Just like they were not told why he was working in Torchwood London or how he managed to escape Canary Wharf. Ianto was a character with an extraordinary potential who was shamefully underused and underdeveloped just like his complicated relationship with Jack was. Ianto Jones, the unappreciated one.
Bella, London on July 21st, 2009
Sorry, Kat & Mel...I do take your points but I still think that putting out as the main couple to gay characters, in a (focused on) relationship, on prime time TV was a brave move and does put out positive, anti-homophobe ideas. Ianto dying had nothing to do with him being gay...so I don't see the issue. Nick from Leeds, if you were being serious, you're a *****.
Brenda, The Netherlands on July 20th, 2009
Nick from Leeds, please tell me that was sarcasm. Emphasis on the gay characters? As I saw it, there was no more emphasis on Jack and Ianto than on Gwen's marriage and pregnancy, really. Also, "unsuitable for a show that is by its very nature going to be watched by a lot of children"?? 1: As opposed to the blood, gore and violence that is, if course, completely suitable for children? (!) And 2: Who in their right mind would let a child watch Torchwood anyway? Unless I have a different definition of "children" than most people, though I'm assuming that's not the case.
Kat, Glasgow on July 20th, 2009
Here it is. Couple of comments below mine (Nick, Leeds). That says it all. What CoE did in the end was to bow down to the many homophobes. And Bella, really you still don't see the problem, now that "the gay one" is no longer there?
Bella, London on July 20th, 2009
Whats with all the PC shiz going on round here? Yes - for comedic relief. And his family being so receptive to Ianto being gay puts out positive ideas...I still see no problem.
Nick, Leeds on July 18th, 2009
Excellent show spoiled for me by the emphasis on the gay characters. We all know it goes on but is totally unsuitable for a show that is by it's very nature going to be watched by a lot of children. have we no moral compass left nowadays?
Jo-Anna, Blackpool on July 17th, 2009
I think gwen is a great character who is caring and trys her best to do the right thing. Also i love Jack and gwen as a couple. Can someone explain to me why everybdy hates her cuz i have no idea...
Kat, Glasgow on July 17th, 2009
To Bella from London. The Gwen hate is inevitable since her "awesomeness" is at the expense of all the other characters. The fact as you say that Ianto died to add drama is right what I'm objecting to: the reducing of a great character, who's being criminally underdeveloped, to mere plot device. The constant labelling and mocking of the "queer guy" is not fun comedic relief, is just plain offensive. Having two title characters in a gay relationship doesn't count anymore, does it? Since there's no Jack and Ianto any longer. Their relationship is dead because Ianto is dead.
Mel, Up North on July 17th, 2009
Bella of London. So you think that "the "queer" storyline was fun comedic relief" Because being gay is only for other people's amusement. Replace "queer" with black or jewish or disabled or any other abjective and see how many people are laughing now.
Mel, Up North on July 17th, 2009
Double crossing Asian doctor. Stereotypical American general. Token female black character Dead gay character. Female lead married off and pregnant. And major plot elements, the aliens speaking through children, people as drugs and part of the solution being male lead killing his grandchild are all taken from Quatermass. Oh yes, what a brilliant series.
Juliette, Lincoln on July 16th, 2009
I was extremely upset about Ianto's death, but after a while for it to sink in I've come to realise that the series was absolutely fantastic regardless. The first episode was one of the best openers I've ever seen--I liked the format of one episode per day, it added a LOT of suspense and excitement, and I think that was really important for Torchwood. I wish Ianto hadn't been killed off, not only because I loved the character and thought his relationship with Jack could have gone so much further, but because it seems to have overshadowed the rest of the series for some people, and that annoys me. It was amazingly written, with a brilliant plot with no perfect solution--I don't think anybody could truthfully say what they would have done in that situation; the plot was very original and unique. I would love to see a series 4, because I love the show so much, but I think Russell T Davies put himself in a very tricky situation because of how much he's annoyed the fanbase. Still, if the next series began in a certain way (Gwen and Rhys perhaps working a new Torchwood hub in their house, doing the best they can to continue the work, perhaps with Lois' help, with Jack absent for the first few episodes) I think it could still work very well. I loved the development Jack got in this series, it really added so much more depth to his character, so I'm still looking forward to a fourth series even though I was initially outraged at Ianto's death.
Mary Lee on July 16th, 2009
Just to agree with Kat from Glasgow, the new obsession with labelling the "gay" character was a betrayal of Torchwood's previous attitude, and the fact that people think the "smells queer" was funny is deeply sad. A huge disappointment. Why destroy Torchwood to make a plot-holed remake of old sci-fi projects with these characters forced in, being nothing more than plot devices? I loved Torchwood back when it was fresh and progressive, when people weren't being labelled and being made fun of because of their sexuality. To end on a positive note for Ianto fans, I found this: http://www.justgiving.com/iantojones/ Much better than waste money on the CoE DVD.
Bella, London on July 16th, 2009
Torchwood is in no way homophobic....Ianto died to add drama....and the "queer" storyline was fun comedic relief....infact by having two title characters in a gay relationship, it is being the OPPOSITE of homophobic....and Gwen doesn't get away with everything because she's a "white female"....shes portrayed as being with fault, but with many redeeming qualities - she is a good, likeable charismatic person....why all the Gwen hate?
Kat, Glasgow on July 16th, 2009
Why the sudden need to constantly label Ianto as "the big GAY one"? In the past 26 episodes of Torchwood none of the characters has ever been labeled and that was a refreshing trait in the show. I find this new attitude in this series highly offensive, to the character and to the old fans of Torchwood. There were so many things to learn about Ianto and that won't be possible anymore. The new viewers will only identify Ianto as the gay one, and a large part of the new audience will be relieved that he's not around anymore. I'm totally disgusted by this.
Jessica on July 16th, 2009
Apart from the fact that they killed off one favourite character and turned the other into something that barely resembled the character we had loved, I found the whole show very homophobic. One of the reasons I loved Torchwood was that it didn’t matter if you were gay or straight every one was treated equally and no big “event” was made out of the fact a person was gay as is so often found on other shows. I felt that finally someone was telling things the way they should be and perhaps those with narrower minds would see things a bit differently. However it seems that a white female who lies, cheats and is a complete hypocrite gets away completely unscathed as the straight pregnant couple walk happily off into the night while a gay couple in a loving relatationship must be killed pointlessley or tortured beyond belief. Not to mention all the snide remarks about Ianto being queer. I hear RTD is gay. I find that impossible to believe. If he is then he must have been paid an absolute fortune to write this. And I have to ask, is Eve Miles is married/related to someone very high up on the BBC chain because its obvious that should Season 4 happen it may as well be retitled the Gwen Cooper Show.
Mmcdonald, Cork on July 16th, 2009
Captain Jack is a cool, enigmatic, interesting, attractive character but not that likeable anymore after what he does in CoE. Gwen is the lovable one anyway and she gives Torchwood it's heart and soul. I think Torchwood could continue with Gwen as the main woman, and some brilliant new characters. Maybe with occasional appearances from Jack, but John Barrowman is probably getting a bit old-looking for someone who doesn't age, anyway.
Teresa, Derby on July 15th, 2009
I'm feel utterly devestated after watching Torchwood: Children of Earth, RTD has said Torchwood isn't about the set and the hub its about the people - if that so why kill everyone off. OK so it made an impact on BBC1 unfortunatley this seems to be at the expense of the loyal fans who have followed it from the beginning. No matter how many times we are told Gwen is the heart of Torchwoods i just don't like the character and yet she gets to come out of this unscathed and forgiven for everything Ianto was the best thing about Torchwood is killed off, without him i like many other people won't be tuning in again if he doesn't somehow return. (From the message GDL put on his website thanking people for their messages of support in the past few days i don't think that he wanted to leave - which somehow makes it even worse)
Alison, Cambridge on July 15th, 2009
I thought Children of Earth was fantastic. If they can keep up with the quality of CoE then yes please, more Torchwood wtih Captain Jack, Gwen and Rhys. I'm sorry Ianto died, but I can't understand people saying he was the heart of TW, he wasn't he was pretty pathetic in the first season, started coming into his own in the second season and was becoming a well rounded character in the CoE before he was sadly killed. Gwen is more the heart while Captain Jack is just essential and Rhys is wonderfully the 'everyman'.
yesim, Istanbul on July 15th, 2009
ı am upset yet now things make sense ı mean ı think ı understand RTD but man in the forums more than one guy called this lazy writing and hell yess ı agree . Now Jack will come back wont he ? He always comes back right ?! Or just maybe we all Torchwood fans have lost it totally and we are suffering high degree of paranoid sci -sophrenia.Only cure would be more Torchwood ı guess .I mean when the series is on we kinda have an excuse .A reason ı mean ... A base ... Something to create an effect of reality , reason and ı mean it like Reason :-/ Torchwood is bad.It is like addictive , like a drug but for some of us damage is done. I have this love/hate relationship with the show. I have read somewhere that RTD hates fans. He should .Dr. Frankenstein deserves to suffer though ;D whatever ı'll call this one torture season.It was awesome yet cruel .
Betty, Nuremberg on July 15th, 2009
I enjoyed and loved Torchwood (S01 and 02 that is) never for sophisticated plots or stellar acting. It was fun, pure and simple. Children of Earth might have been great television, I don't deny this, but it was not Torchwood. It started great, exploring the background of the characters, they even got me to like Gwen for five seconds, only to destroy it all in one big sweep by killing Ianto and breaking Jack. With Ianto dead and Jack gone, there is no reason for me to watch a potential fourth season of Torchwood and even Jack coming back won't be enough to get me interested again. I'm very glad that I got to watch the series before ordering the DVDs of Season 3. The BBC and RTD won't get to see a single penny of my money for this. RIP Ianto Jones, you'll live on in the hearts of your fans.
Emma, Bristol on July 15th, 2009
I will not be watching if there is a next season. Ianto was my favourite character and it just isn't Torchwood without him. If a main character had to go then I would have liked it to be Gwen,I can't stand her. Lots of my friends watched COE and like me have decided not to watch the show anymore. Killing Ianto was the worst thing they have ever done. If there is anyway at all to do it then please, please bring him back.
Lori, Manchester on July 15th, 2009
OMG....I waited and waited and waited patiently to be absolutely slapped in the face by the death of yet another character, who just so happens to be my fav.... We were promised so much about the development of the characters relationships and felt "YES" we now get to have a proper budgeted mainstream sci fi drama to look forward to only to have the rug pulled from under our feets by RTD so he can dance off to America without having any loose ends...Hope he lives comfortably off the money fans have given to him by buying the merchandise and being loyal to allow the transition to bbc one....it is ashame they did not give the fans the same courtesy......I absolutely loved the show up until Children of Earth episode 4 {10 min b4 the en to be more specific}.....We can not lay all the blame RTD....GDL may have wanted to leave to pursue other projects....Any way good luck for season 4 they will need it...
Becca, Cambridge on July 15th, 2009
I thought that Children of Earth was brilliant, up until Ianto's death. He was my favourite character and although the series as a whole was great, it isn't all about the story. You do become attached to characters and when they just kill 3 of them in a very short period of time, it made me wonder why I was watching it. Without Ianto it is safe to say that I won't be watching Season 4 unless they manage to bring him back to life of course.
James, Manchester on July 15th, 2009
I will only watch it if Jack returns. I may be able to live without Ianto but not without Jack. Also, can that Lisa Abibe girl join the Torchwood team like Gwen suggested. I really liked her.
Claudia. Munich on July 15th, 2009
No Season 4 for me, without Ianto and Jack. RTD and BBC had something unique with this relationship and they destroyed it for the ratings. CoE was an amazing piece of TV, no doubt about that. In fact, it was the best show I have watched this year so far, but killing off Ianto and breaking Jack into tiny little pieces is not what makes the fanbase watch a 4th season. I'm still trying to find out, why it was Gwen who last nothing at all. Let's see she cheated on Rhys, she lied to him, she has an ego a mile wide, and what does she get in the end? Her husband, a baby and Torchwood. Then we have Jack and Ianto, loyal and faithful to each other, even without saying the 3 words. Living a relationship, that most of the people wish to have, well minus the weevils and the other crap, loving each other, and what do they get? One of the is killed and the other is left broken and running as fast as he can. No matter how often RTD preaches his mantra of "Gwen is the viewers perspective" I will not watch Torchwood becoming the "Gwen-Show" No offense against Eve Myles, she is just portraying a character, and she does a good job with it, but in my opinion Gwen is nothing more than a bad Mary-Sue, sorry RTD.
Naomi, Australia on July 15th, 2009
I'll continue to watch TW if there is a fourth series on two conditions. One; that Captain Jack is in it, because frankly, it won't be Torchwood without him. Secondly, that we aren't forced to suffer a Gwack pairing. I'm not saying that Jack wouldn't be capable of loving her. He is capable of loving anyone. However, he's also proven that he has morals, and she's f*****g married!!!!! Just because Gwen is a tramp who has no qualms about cheating on Rhys, doesn't mean that Jack has to be portrayed in the same way. That said, Ianto had become a vital part of Torchwood. Killing him off has alienated a very very big fanbase, and anyone who suggests fanbases are irrelevant doesn't know what they're talking about.
Carolyn, Derbyshire on July 15th, 2009
For me Ianto was the heart of Torchwood and the one who made me watch, no matter how many times the makers tell us how great gwen is i simply can't warm to her. To be honest I don't think i want a Torchwood without him in it.
Elisabeth, Dresden on July 14th, 2009
I think while season 3 was amazing in every aspect, acting, drama, suspension, effects and story just going on with a fourtht series in the same format would be utter bogus. Firstly, because it will be nearly impossible to top itself, secondly because with Jack, the main character and centerpoint of the series, so utterly broken it will be difficult to just go on with the happy, sexy, crazy feel of the previous seasons. Thirdly because having only Jack and Gwen left, who's obviously ripe for maternity leave in a few months, no hub, no pteradon, yadda yadda you would have to introduce a whole new cast and restock to a fully sized team again. Which would mean that a season 4 would be more like a new 'First season' then a continuation of a series in it's prime. In conclusion, season 3 was excellent and especially amazing as a grand finale to the Torchwood I loved. A season 4 would therefore make more sense as a major revamp or a new spin-off, which I probably would be interested in, you know, if the new characters are as engaging and crazy as TW has until now proved to be.
E Fretters, Detroit on July 14th, 2009
Season 4 was RTD giving the fans the finger as he moved to the US. Well done, well written, but it ended the series. There's no set left and virtually none of the cast. Even if they find a new set, watch a season 4 without Ianto? Not a chance. He and Jack were the heart of Torchwood. And especially if Gwen is in charge. She is the weakest and worst character. Nothing but mouth and ego. RTD has said he hates fans and this series just proves it. There is no excuse for what he did.
Edit Gyulveszi , Hungary on July 14th, 2009
Please bring Ianto back! Or give him a better farewell. I can't belive Jack never loved him... Please!!
Rebecca, Birmingham on July 14th, 2009
I have mixed feelings about there being a series 4, on one hand I was really disappointed with the ending of the 3rd series, from an objective point of view it was a brilliant piece of television and the acting was top notch, but a show for me is much more about the characters than about the plot, and I don't trust the writers not to kill of the characters I've spent two series getting to love once again. Ianto was probably my favourite and I thought it was cruel of the show to start developing not only his relationship with Jack but also introducing his family and back story just to go and kill him off on Day Four, and as much as I love Gwen, I find it a bit unrealisitc that while Tosh, Owen and Ianto die and Jack's life has pretty much gone to shit, her life is pretty much perfect - I mean, yes she has lost her friends, but she still has Rhys, her baby is fine and all in all, compared to the others she has lost very little. I do like Gwen's character, but I will not watch a new series of the Jack and Gwen show, I thought we were done with that after the first series. I honestly think it would be best to leave it as it is, and if they do have a fourth series to completely wipe the slate clean, and start it with completely new characters, meaning NO JACK OR GWEN!
Steph, UK on July 14th, 2009
The poll really needs a fourth option for me. I thought CoE was absolutely fantastic, but I won't watch a new series now they've killed Ianto. Ianto was my favourite character, but he went out on a massive high in possibly Torchwood's best ever episode. So well done, but no more.
Jo, Soudley on July 14th, 2009
Ianto was the heart of the show. He was Jack's conscience and friend as well as lover. He brought a dry wit to a series that otherwise could have taken itself too seriously. To kill him off - so meaninglessly - ended a fascinating relationship cheaply and easily. RTD where is your innovation, sense of fun and heart? You destroyed Jack and Ianto for the sake of ratings. RTD, BBC, you may have made TW more mainstream, but you betrayed the fans who have watched from the outset. The real world is hard enough without bringing such despondency into a sci-fi/fantasy show. If you care at all about the fans then give Jack and Ianto the happy ending they deserve, even if it is done in book form, not on TV.
Natalie Lewis, Plymouth on July 14th, 2009
Torchwood children of earth was seriously fantastic, better than anything before and i was really enjoying it until they made the stupid decision to kill Ianto off. One reason for Torchwood's popularity was infact the Jack and Ianto relationship and in many aspects it even made the show, people felt like the same sex relationship between them really worked and it did. Im shocked by his death and Jack's lack of responce to it. Torchwood is still my favourite series ever bu without Jack and Ianto, i dont think i could face a series 4... and i'm really upset to have to write that. Jack and Ianto forever!
Eve Myles Fan, West Midlands on July 14th, 2009
Fantastic series, incredible political undertones. Not too happy about Iantos' death as diehard fans like myself are still getting over Tosh and Owen. Leaving us not knowing about whether thats the end or not was also a bit cruel on behalf of the BBC. I also wish folks would stop attacking Gwen as, in my view shes the best person in it ! Cant bear the thought of that being the last we see. Its way better than doctor who - BRING ON SERIES FOUR +
Wynn on July 14th, 2009
I didn't watch the last two episodes when I learned that Ianto was going to be killed off. The worst thing I can imagine is the show being carried on with Gwen. Played by a lacklustre actress, the character has been buoyed by spewage from RTD and the writers who insist I'm supposed to like her, but never bothered to show me why. Tosh, Owen and Ianto had far more potential, were played by far more talented actress than the Beloved St Gwen. What a way to kill a show.
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